OT: 2022-23 NHL thread….Devils & Rangers & Islanders

[zappaa]

For you Rangers fans. How many of you remember "Leapin Lou" Fortinato, Andy Bathgate, Dean Prentice, Larry Popein, Harry "the Horse" Howell, or Gump Worsley. As a boy in Brooklyn used to listen to these guys & the Rangers on the radio. Devils fan now after watching the River Rats while living in Albany & now in NJ.

I remember #3 Harry Howell, he was the leftover from the teams you speak of, Camille Henry also.
#4 Arnie Brown #5 Dale Rolfe and #16 Rod Seilling played with Harry in his last years and usherd in Hadfield, Gilbert and Ratelle

 

[rudad02]

I remember #3 Harry Howell, he was the leftover from the teams you speak off, Camille Henry also.
#4 Arnie Brown #5 Dale Rolfe and #16 Rod Seilling played with Harry in his last years and usherd in Hadfield, Gilbert and Ratelle

Yeah remember those guys as well. Really liked Ratelle. Had TV by then. Thought he was really good.

 

[TM94goRU]

It was extremely obvious to anyone who isn't looking for a reason to complain that Bjorkstrand tripped over Bratt's skate and inadvertently slid into Blackwood as a result. That isn't a whistle unless the puck goes into the net. Both of your suggestions are penalties. Your frequent whining about the refs is getting old, the only thing that possibly could have been blown on that play was maybe a soft tripping call on Bratt. None of the Devils including Blackwood himself, or the coaching staff took issue with the play continuing. Nice subtle move by Burakovsky to pull the puck towards his body and change the angle of the shot, but Blackwood probably should still make that save, and Bratt probably gave him too much space that allowed him to get that shot off clean.

Your know it all, I played and now ref act is getting old. If I had a question, I would quote You and ask. You are upset because once again you can't refute what I posted, smarting that you, and others blowing up my recent post on hockey events didn't get me banned!

Well I don't post much in here, because real fans can't freely vent without your constant quote storm, if you feel your ref's are being disrespected! This thread while at times serious is meant to be fun.

Anyone who has watched Blackwood closely knows while he can be very good, if he gets run, bumped, or even breathed on , he loses his composure and starts to suck! If him accidentally, or on purpose, bumped or whatever is not going to be whistled, then he should practice dislodging the net when he falls in 1 motion. Hey if you can hit him hard enough to put him in a prone position with nothing happening, then he can make it look like he accidentally knocked the net off.

Scoring would certainly go up. If both things I suggested were to be penalized, then last night's should fall under that category. One last time, if it is not a automatic stoppage to knock a goalie over like that, it should be a strategy. Obviously with many things there are loopholes!

That is all, never take it too seriously!
Remember I said they looked tired and deserved to lose. Not just in hockey, but all sports have changed certain rules solely on loopholes like I pointed out. Please remember fan is the root word for fanatic. Which means in this thread, sometimes the ❤ over rules the brain. It is after all just a game.

 

[zappaa]

Dad-
I remember going with my dad to the old Garden where they had no Zamboni.
The ice was resurfaced between periods by hand where 6 guys pushed individual barrel machines.

 

[Ronnie_B]

Dad-
I remember going with my dad to the old Garden where they had no Zamboni.
The ice was resurfaced between periods by hand where 6 guys pushed individual barrel machines.

Something like this?

 

[zappaa]

Something like this?

Not something like…exactly!
That’s the old Garden

 

[rudad02]

For you Rangers fans. How many of you remember "Leapin Lou" Fortinato, Andy Bathgate, Dean Prentice, Larry Popein, Harry "the Horse" Howell, or Gump Worsley. As a boy in Brooklyn used to listen to these guys & the Rangers on the radio. Devils fan now after watching the River Rats while living in Albany & now in NJ.

Got my Harry's mixed up "the Horse" was Harry "the Horse" Gallatin of the Knicks. Yes Zap, remember them resurfacing by hand.

 

[robcac26]

Your know it all, I played and now ref act is getting old. If I had a question, I would quote You and ask. You are upset because once again you can't refute what I posted, smarting that you, and others blowing up my recent post on hockey events didn't get me banned!

Well I don't post much in here, because real fans can't freely vent without your constant quote storm, if you feel your ref's are being disrespected! This thread while at times serious is meant to be fun.

Anyone who has watched Blackwood closely knows while he can be very good, if he gets run, bumped, or even breathed on , he loses his composure and starts to suck! If him accidentally, or on purpose, bumped or whatever is not going to be whistled, then he should practice dislodging the net when he falls in 1 motion. Hey if you can hit him hard enough to put him in a prone position with nothing happening, then he can make it look like he accidentally knocked the net off.

Scoring would certainly go up. If both things I suggested were to be penalized, then last night's should fall under that category. One last time, if it is not a automatic stoppage to knock a goalie over like that, it should be a strategy. Obviously with many things there are loopholes!

That is all, never take it too seriously!
Remember I said they looked tired and deserved to lose. Not just in hockey, but all sports have changed certain rules solely on loopholes like I pointed out. Please remember fan is the root word for fanatic. Which means in this thread, sometimes the ❤ over rules the brain. It is after all just a game.

What are you talking, getting you banned? I never suggested such a thing and there is no reason to. Look there's no doubting you're a passionate fan, and of course this thread is for fun, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try to be objective in your interpretation of what's happening out there. The only reason I'm always defending refs in here is because you come up with such ridiculous complaints about them, when the calls you're complaining about are usually 100% correct. At least you seem to have finally given up on the idea that the league is instructing the refs to help one team over another. There was nothing unfair about how that game ended, and complaining about it just comes off as biased whining. Intentionally sliding into the goalie and intentionally dislodging the net are penalties. Yeah sometimes you can make it look accidental, but it's usually not worth the risk. In the time after the collision, the Devils could have potentially stolen the puck and scored. If that were to happen, I know you wouldn't be on here saying that they were lucky play wasn't stopped. Whatever, go Devils.

 

[e5fdny]

Okay, then it should become strategy! The Devils should also teach their goalies to knock the net off it's moorings in any type of similar situation. The camera didn't catch the whole thing, but Blackwood was completely down with a Kracken player on top of him. I have seen a whistle for much less. That is all I'm saying because of the hate coming Blackwood's way.

More over remember I said they played tired and deserved to lose. I think maybe this leads them to buckle down and not get behind as often early. I was not knocking your beloved ref's. We all make mistakes, I wouldn't want robots.

When my older one was still in high school there was an opponent who always did that when things got hairy. Enough to think it would get called, but never was.

For you Rangers fans. How many of you remember "Leapin Lou" Fortinato, Andy Bathgate, Dean Prentice, Larry Popein, Harry "the Horse" Howell, or Gump Worsley. As a boy in Brooklyn used to listen to these guys & the Rangers on the radio. Devils fan now after watching the River Rats while living in Albany & now in NJ.

Not as old but that’s how it happened for me.

 

[TM94goRU]

What are you talking, getting you banned? I never suggested such a thing and there is no reason to. Look there's no doubting you're a passionate fan, and of course this thread is for fun, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try to be objective in your interpretation of what's happening out there. The only reason I'm always defending refs in here is because you come up with such ridiculous complaints about them, when the calls you're complaining about are usually 100% correct. At least you seem to have finally given up on the idea that the league is instructing the refs to help one team over another. There was nothing unfair about how that game ended, and complaining about it just comes off as biased whining. Intentionally sliding into the goalie and intentionally dislodging the net are penalties. Yeah sometimes you can make it look accidental, but it's usually not worth the risk. In the time after the collision, the Devils could have potentially stolen the puck and scored. If that were to happen, I know you wouldn't be on here saying that they were lucky play wasn't stopped. Whatever, go Devils.

Just my interpretation of blowing up that post instead of leaving it alone. What you missed is, I agreed with your reply, I just think since there is a loophole, and the game is fast, the NHL should help the ref's out and take intent away.

If a goalie ends up in that position, he is more likely to get stepped on or cut. If, as shown in Seattle this can be done legally, then it should be strategize and practice, when teams are facing Blackwood or a tough goalie needing a goal. My hope is that it will not have to be changed, only after a tragedy, like Clint Marlarchuk or Brittney Cecil whose sad death took away defensemen under pressure in their own end shooting the puck in the crowd legally.

That is the closes NHL example I can remember, however an NFL one works better. Back twenty plus years ago the NFL changed a long standing rule, the force out. Prior to this it was official discretion whether or not a player would be inbounds if contacted in the air. Well as the game got faster, the screens got bigger, and with the internet exploding the NFL changed it to a non-judgement call. Basically if you can get the receiver out of bounds it is a win for your defense.

My point was ultimately getting at this. Even with 2 ref's of course things are missed. I think the NHL should take this out of ref's judgement, because the game is so fast, and anytime someone wants to exploit this type of thing it is easily done. All in all they do yeoman's work in a tough situation. They deserve to have their burden's lessened when possible! Make this like the skate in the crease rule, changed after the Stars "beat" the Sabres in the '99 SC Final.

 

[TM94goRU]

When my older one was still in high school there was an opponent who always did that when things got hairy. Enough to think it would get called, but never was.

Not as old but that’s how it happened for me.

Great point, the ref's have too much too deal with, way too fast to be consistent or see everything. In that moment, as soon as play continued I said it's over we lose. Every divisional opponent should study it, for when they face MB or desperately need a goal.

I would hire a stuntman to help teach the goalies how to make it look legit. LOL, but not joking.

 

[rudad02]

When my older one was still in high school there was an opponent who always did that when things got hairy. Enough to think it would get called, but never was.

Not as old but that’s how it happened for me.

Were you in Albany when the River Rats played there?

 

[robcac26]

Just my interpretation of blowing up that post instead of leaving it alone. What you missed is, I agreed with your reply, I just think since there is a loophole, and the game is fast, the NHL should help the ref's out and take intent away.

If a goalie ends up in that position, he is more likely to get stepped on or cut. If, as shown in Seattle this can be done legally, then it should be strategize and practice, when teams are facing Blackwood or a tough goalie needing a goal. My hope is that it will not have to be changed, only after a tragedy, like Clint Marlarchuk or Brittney Cecil whose sad death took away defensemen under pressure in their own end shooting the puck in the crowd legally.

That is the closes NHL example I can remember, however an NFL one works better. Back twenty plus years ago the NFL changed a long standing rule, the force out. Prior to this it was official discretion whether or not a player would be inbounds if contacted in the air. Well as the game got faster, the screens got bigger, and with the internet exploding the NFL changed it to a non-judgement call. Basically if you can get the receiver out of bounds it is a win for your defense.

My point was ultimately getting at this. Even with 2 ref's of course things are missed. I think the NHL should take this out of ref's judgement, because the game is so fast, and anytime someone wants to exploit this type of thing it is easily done. All in all they do yeoman's work in a tough situation. They deserve to have their burden's lessened when possible! Make this like the skate in the crease rule, changed after the Stars "beat" the Sabres in the '99 SC Final.

Well I do agree in general with eliminating gray area for refs, which is why I think they should change the nebulous "distinct kicking motion" rule to what the WHL does--a puck off the skate outside the crease is a goal, inside the crease is no goal. I also think they should be able to quickly review any play they feel they need another look at and is important enough to warrant it. However, I think stopping play every time there is any contact at all with a goalie would create problems--too many stoppages, and if you have the ensuing faceoff in the zone you'd have forwards looking to inadvertently contact the goalie just enough to get an attack zone faceoff but not enough to get a penalty. If you have the faceoff outside the zone you create further incentive for the goalies to put themselves in a position where contact could be made, or for a defending player to cause an attacking player to contact the goalie, which is what happened on that play, and is also what caused Malarchuk's injury.

Also the Brittanie Cecil tragedy I don't think resulted in the delay of game for putting the puck over the glass in the defensive zone. The netting above the glass was the result of that. It was never legal to intentionally put the puck over the glass, that was always a delay of game (although often not called because it was difficult to determine intent). They decided to make it a penalty coming out of the 04-05 lockout as a lame way to increase scoring via more powerplays. What they should do with this since it's tough to tell intent but you do want to deter defenseman from intentionally putting it out of play is make it the same as icing--faceoff in your zone and you can't change lines.

Either way, this OT goal isn't going to result in any rule changes. If there was anything controversial about it, someone from the Devils would have said something. Again, we're talking about contact that occured 16 seconds prior to the shot, not even Blackwood himself felt play should have been stopped and I doubt he thinks it affected his ability to make the save, he was back up and ready to go for a over 10 seconds, which is an eternity in the NHL. We can go back and forth on this, so I'll agree to disagree here.

As for intentionally dislodging the net, you can only get away with it for so long in a league where everything is televised and recorded. Eventually the refs would catch on and you'd start to get penalized.

I know I ramble sometimes, I just enjoy talking about hockey and its rules etc.

 

[e5fdny]

Were you in Albany when the River Rats played there?

No. Just meant when there was finally a home team in NJ to root for I was on board.

My Dad took me and my Brother to a game at the Brendan Byrne the first season (against the Rangers too - lol) and I was hooked.

River Rats did have a nice uniform though.

 

[TM94goRU]

Well I do agree in general with eliminating gray area for refs, which is why I think they should change the nebulous "distinct kicking motion" rule to what the WHL does--a puck off the skate outside the crease is a goal, inside the crease is no goal. I also think they should be able to quickly review any play they feel they need another look at and is important enough to warrant it. However, I think stopping play every time there is any contact at all with a goalie would create problems--too many stoppages, and if you have the ensuing faceoff in the zone you'd have forwards looking to inadvertently contact the goalie just enough to get an attack zone faceoff but not enough to get a penalty. If you have the faceoff outside the zone you create further incentive for the goalies to put themselves in a position where contact could be made, or for a defending player to cause an attacking player to contact the goalie, which is what happened on that play, and is also what caused Malarchuk's injury.

Also the Brittanie Cecil tragedy I don't think resulted in the delay of game for putting the puck over the glass in the defensive zone. The netting above the glass was the result of that. It was never legal to intentionally put the puck over the glass, that was always a delay of game (although often not called because it was difficult to determine intent). They decided to make it a penalty coming out of the 04-05 lockout as a lame way to increase scoring via more powerplays. What they should do with this since it's tough to tell intent but you do want to deter defenseman from intentionally putting it out of play is make it the same as icing--faceoff in your zone and you can't change lines.

Either way, this OT goal isn't going to result in any rule changes. If there was anything controversial about it, someone from the Devils would have said something. Again, we're talking about contact that occured 16 seconds prior to the shot, not even Blackwood himself felt play should have been stopped and I doubt he thinks it affected his ability to make the save, he was back up and ready to go for a over 10 seconds, which is an eternity in the NHL. We can go back and forth on this, so I'll agree to disagree here.

As for intentionally dislodging the net, you can only get away with it for so long in a league where everything is televised and recorded. Eventually the refs would catch on and you'd start to get penalized.

I know I ramble sometimes, I just enjoy talking about hockey and its rules etc.

All gamesmanship aside, you add a lot!

 

[rudad02]

No. Just meant when there was finally a home team in NJ to root for I was on board.

My Dad took me and my Brother to a game at the Brendan Byrne the first season (against the Rangers too - lol) and I was hooked.

River Rats did have a nice uniform though.

Guess they did. Can't picture it. They sent a lot of guys up to the Devils--Elias, Madden, Pandolfo, White & others. Had some good teams.

 

[e5fdny]

Guess they did. Can't picture it. They sent a lot of guys up to the Devils--Elias, Madden, Pandolfo, White & others. Had some good teams.

 

[robcac26]

Funny moment in yesterday's Penguins and Senators game as brothers Mathieu and Pierre-Olivier Joseph got penalties for high-sticking each other. Should have only been one call though as Pierre-Olivier's stick hit both his brother's face and his own. I love the reaction from their parents in the crowd haha.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Funny moment in yesterday's Penguins and Senators game as brothers Mathieu and Pierre-Olivier Joseph got penalties for high-sticking each other. Should have only been one call though as Pierre-Olivier's stick hit both his brother's face and his own. I love the reaction from their parents in the crowd haha.

According to some ITT, it’s only supposed to be Devils, Rangers and Islanders discussion.

 

[rudad02]

That's it fdny. Thanks. Nice indeed!

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Carolina donning their Team USSR uniforms tonight

 

[e5fdny]

That's it fdny. Thanks. Nice indeed!

Always a fan when the farm team (in all sports) is NOT named after the parent club.

 

[zappaa]

Rangers new line combos…lol
Panarin, Mika. Kreider….1st line…. Someone has to play the off wing..
Kid line is 2nd line…top 6 minutes
Trochek, Goodrow, Vecey form a match up, don’t let em score 3rd line.
Krav, Goat(he’s back) and the new kid from Vegas 4th line

 

[robcac26]

Always a fan when the farm team (in all sports) is NOT named after the parent club.

Yeah and even better is when their uniforms have no resemblance to the NHL affiliate. Let them have their own identity like the Trenton Titans. Such underappreciated jerseys with the bridge on the shoulders.

 

[krup]

Rangers new line combos…lol
Panarin, Mika. Kreider….1st line…. Someone has to play the off wing..
Kid line is 2nd line…top 6 minutes
Trochek, Goodrow, Vecey form a match up, don’t let em score 3rd line.
Krav, Goat(he’s back) and the new kid from Vegas 4th line

Those lines might work with a different coach, but every time they make the kid line (even when he called it the second line) Gallant ends up giving them much fewer TOI than the other two “veteran” lines (even when the kid line is playing way better than the veterans.

 

[zappaa]

Those lines might work with a different coach, but every time they make the kid line (even when he called it the second line) Gallant ends up giving them much fewer TOI than the other two “veteran” lines (even when the kid line is playing way better than the veterans.

Panarin playing with Mika and Kreids will result in close to 20 minutes a night for the kid line…Gallant can’t do anything about it.
Interesting to see how Chytil handles the increased face off load.
4th line is interesting with Gauthier and Krav together, they may be better than Trochek-Goodrow-Vecey offensively.
Sammy should really be done.
I’m going to say I like these lines, imo….The only good minutes in Laf’s career have come playing on the kid line….now leave it alone a while.

 

[krup]

Panarin playing with Mika and Kreids will result in close to 20 minutes a night for the kid line…Gallant can’t do anything about it.
Interesting to see how Chytil handles the increased face off load.
4th line is interesting with Gauthier and Krav together, they may be better than Trochek-Goodrow-Vecey offensively.
Sammy should really be done.
I’m going to say I like these lines, imo….The only good minutes in Laf’s career have come playing on the kid line….now leave it alone a while.

I don’t see how your lineups guarantee the kids anything, when Gallant has shown time and time again he only trusts the veterans and will adjust deployment to get veterans onto the ice whenever he can.

Even the other night, he yanked Kravstov off the second line when even by his own admission the whole second line was giving away the puck too much but he couldn’t move Panarin or Trocheck. To make things worse, one thing Kravstov has done in this last run is put up good defensive numbers while Trochek and Panarin turn over the puck at a ridiculous rate.

 

[zappaa]

I don’t see how your lineups guarantee the kids anything, when Gallant has shown time and time again he only trusts the veterans and will adjust deployment to get veterans onto the ice whenever he can.

Even the other night, he yanked Kravstov off the second line when even by his own admission the whole second line was giving away the puck too much but he couldn’t move Panarin or Trocheck. To make things worse, one thing Kravstov has done in this last run is put up good defensive numbers while Trochek and Panarin turn over the puck at a ridiculous rate.

I think the guarantee comes in the form of Panarin playing with Mika and Kreids.
Like you, I’m not a big Gallant fan, but if I have Panarin available after a shift where Mika is centering Kreids and whomever…I’m tapping Panarin on the back also.

 

[krup]

I think the guarantee comes in the form of Panarin playing with Mika and Kreids.
Like you, I’m not a big Gallant fan, but if I have Panarin available after a shift where Mika is centering Kreids and whomever…I’m tapping Panarin on the back also.

I think you are not noticing, and underestimating, how much Gallant values guys like Goodrow and Trochek as much as he does the guys with higher upside like Panarin.

Maybe the kid line will get regular time in a game the Rangers are losing, but even though Trochek has been horrible on defense Gallant will play him before the kids in a tie game or to protect a lead.

He can’t help himself. He is doing exactly what fans of FLA and VGK say got him fired there, even to the point of not making any adjustments to a power play that has sucked for weeks (here’s an idea , how about starting the second unit for a while just to shake things up, even if you take them off the ice after about 40 seconds?)

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Will Severson get traded this year?

 

[jmc11201]

Will Severson get traded this year?


Unlikely. Why trade a veteran defender like him when you are in contention. Almost certain he'll be gone next year as a free agent, but he's effectively a rental for the devils at this point.

 

[e5fdny]

Yeah and even better is when their uniforms have no resemblance to the NHL affiliate. Let them have their own identity like the Trenton Titans. Such underappreciated jerseys with the bridge on the shoulders.

It really was a great look. And I never noticed the rivets (I'm assuming that's what they are?) at the bottom before.

Was such a dumb idea to go with the Trenton Devils name in Flyers country.

The Brooklyn Cyclones is another good local individual name and design.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

The ECHL is on life support

 

[Tango Two]

The January 22, 1987 game between the New Jersey Devils and the Calgary Flames at the Meadowlands Arena in New Jersey was not expected to be a historic game, but close to two feet of snow falling outside turned it into one and gave birth to the 334 Club to honor the 334 die hard fans who braved the snow storm to attend the game out of the 11,247 tickets sold to witness the Devils win the game 7-5. The game did not start until after 9:00 p.m. because the fifteen players who made it to the Meadowlands were late

 

[zappaa]

I think you are not noticing, and underestimating, how much Gallant values guys like Goodrow and Trochek as much as he does the guys with higher upside like Panarin.

Maybe the kid line will get regular time in a game the Rangers are losing, but even though Trochek has been horrible on defense Gallant will play him before the kids in a tie game or to protect a lead.

He can’t help himself. He is doing exactly what fans of FLA and VGK say got him fired there, even to the point of not making any adjustments to a power play that has sucked for weeks (here’s an idea , how about starting the second unit for a while just to shake things up, even if you take them off the ice after about 40 seconds?)

I like the construct of the new lines and the fact they want a match up 3rd line that’s defensive oriented.
Let’s see what GG does with it.

 

[Ronnie_B]

Jack scored his 30th goal of the season, on track for 54 this year.

 

[TM94goRU]

Nice start by the Devils, but they must tighten up defensively. Another early lead and then letdown. Pens have way too much firepower to do that and win.

 

[TM94goRU]

Vancouver fired Bruce Boudreau. I would take him over Ruff. I wonder if the NYR might one day replace Gallant with him. I could see it.

 

[RU#1fan]

For you Rangers fans. How many of you remember "Leapin Lou" Fortinato, Andy Bathgate, Dean Prentice, Larry Popein, Harry "the Horse" Howell, or Gump Worsley. As a boy in Brooklyn used to listen to these guys & the Rangers on the radio. Devils fan now after watching the River Rats while living in Albany & now in NJ.

I remember watching Ranger games when Bill “the Big Whistle “ Chadwick was calling the games.
“That Ron Harris can play Defense with a Refrigerator on his back”

 

[zappaa]

I remember watching Ranger games when Bill “the Big Whistle “ Chadwick was calling the games.
“That Ron Harris can play Defense with a Refrigerator on his back”

“You don’t have to take the puck from Vadnais, he’ll give it to you”