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WhiteBus said:
No, pizza sauce is not cooked beforehand.
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I may have assumed it always is but perhaps some do and some don't. For the places that don't and even if they have their recipe mastered over the years, don't they still like to prepare the sauce (bring all the ingredients together and simmer over heat, i.e. cook it, even just partially) in order to taste a batch for quality control before spreading it on their blank pies?

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It can be. Depends on the place and the sauce.
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I've only ever known the sauce to be cooked separately but have learned something new ITT.
 
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RUnTeX said:
I may have assumed it always is but perhaps some do and some don't. For the places that don't and even if they have their recipe mastered over the years, don't they still like to prepare the sauce (bring all the ingredients together and simmer over heat, i.e. cook it, even just partially) in order to taste a batch for quality control before spreading it on their blank pies?


I've only ever known the sauce to be cooked separately but have learned something new ITT.
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No need to cook it for QC. You know what it's supposed to taste like before cooking so you taste it uncooked first after adding all the spices and then 24 hours later. Most places will make a batch 24 hours before using it to let all the spices blend together.
 
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Phi_1055 said:
I agree with almost all your points in this thread. But on this one, It was our parents who fled the cities and raised us boomers in the suburbs. Some Boomers moved back, or never left, and helped to spearhead the revitalizations . But much if came too late for those of us already raising children to move to the cities.

Both of my adult offspring and their spouses. Love(d) living in Hoboken.
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A lot of boomers were raised in the cities before the 70s. For example, in Newark prior to 1968, but certainly in NYC for way longer. For example, my boomer parents were raised in Brooklyn as were pretty much all of their cousins.

Then the millennials (and perhaps some younger Gen Xs) started the move back. Of course in the last two years or so, some have begun to move to the suburbs, but with a big emphasis on the walkable ones (eg Montclair).
 
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People eat both Domino's and traditional pizza. Much like people eat both Taco Bell and traditional Mexican food. And people will go to dim sum at a traditional Chinese restaurant, and stop at Panda Express at the mall.

Growing up, there was a "fancy" Chinese restaurant with dim sum and a ballroom and it was across the street from a Chinese takeout with things like chicken and broccoli. They would both be packed on weekends.

In Hoboken, within walking distance of one another, you have Dominos, Tony Baloney's, and Napoli's. They have all been there for years and do great business.

There is a big difference. It's not the same cuisine, they both serve entirely different purposes. That's why they both continue to exist.
 
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NotInRHouse said:
People eat both Domino's and traditional pizza. Much like people eat both Taco Bell and traditional Mexican food. And people will go to dim sum at a traditional Chinese restaurant, and stop at Panda Express at the mall.

Growing up, there was a "fancy" Chinese restaurant with dim sum and a ballroom and it was across the street from a Chinese takeout with things like chicken and broccoli. They would both be packed on weekends.

In Hoboken, within walking distance of one another, you have Dominos, Tony Baloney's, and Napoli's. They have all been there for years and do great business.

There is a big difference. It's not the same cuisine, they both serve entirely different purposes. That's why they both continue to exist.
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This can't be true. Please stop being reasonable and pick a side. On this board, there are no gray areas!
 
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the good old days...and i got it wrong so the anniversary sale was half price pizza, so in the late 70s, you could get a whole pie for $2,50 or even $3 as shown in this picI think in the 80s it bumped up a little but it was quite a steal to start hoarding pizzas
 
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Phi_1055 said:

The story basically says that it was Americans returning to Italy after WW2 that popularized pizza beyond Naples
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There's a Domino's in Milan now (and it's been there since at least 2017). Depending on who you ask, it's because Milan is an international city or because Northern Italians don't know as much about pizza...despite the fact that Milan is full of internal migrants from Southern Italy!
 
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NotInRHouse said:
There's a Domino's in Milan now (and it's been there since at least 2017). Depending on who you ask, it's because Milan is an international city or because Northern Italians don't know as much about pizza...despite the fact that Milan is full of internal migrants from Southern Italy!
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It probably opened for all those younger generation Italians who believe it's the best pizza.
 
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NotInRHouse said:
There's a Domino's in Milan now (and it's been there since at least 2017). Depending on who you ask, it's because Milan is an international city or because Northern Italians don't know as much about pizza...despite the fact that Milan is full of internal migrants from Southern Italy!
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My dad and his entire family were from Milan.
The Hill in St Louis where his parents immigrated to was Northern Italian
They thought Southern Italians were low class and chased them out of the neighborhood…lol
All meat Ravioli up In Northern Italy, my dad used to have the little old Italian ladies who made it by hand ship boxes of it on ice to Montclair…lol
 
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zappaa said:
My dad and his entire family were from Milan.
The Hill in St Louis where his parents immigrated to was Northern Italian
They thought Southern Italians were low class and chased them out of the neighborhood…lol
All meat Ravioli up In Northern Italy, my dad used to have the little old Italian ladies who made it by hand ship boxes of it on ice to Montclair…lol
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My mom is part Sicilian and will still say things like "Sicilians like to eat peas" or "Sicilians open up gifts at the wedding" lol. The northernmost place I trace my roots to is Naples, and I love Naples, but Milan is an awesome city.

Once more Americans discover travel to Milan like they have to other places in Italy it's going to take off.
 
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I love thin crust and there are a bunch that I like. For example "The Thinny Thin" at Angeloni's in Caldwell. There was a place in Paramus in the mid/late 80's called Pie in the Sky that had the thinnest crust I've ever had. It was like a cracker. Super thin with a crunch. It wasn't around for a long time which I don't understand because it was super unique. and really good.
 
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NotInRHouse said:
My mom is part Sicilian and will still say things like "Sicilians like to eat peas" or "Sicilians open up gifts at the wedding" lol. The northernmost place I trace my roots to is Naples, and I love Naples, but Milan is an awesome city.

Once more Americans discover travel to Milan like they have to other places in Italy it's going to take off.
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Spent a few days in Milan in 2016 and loved it. Vibrant, friendly city and I sampled some superb Italian food, including one of the best pizzas I ever had and a superb old school fettuccine alfredo. I did not look for a Domino's lol.
 
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Red Hysteria said:
I love thin crust and there are a bunch that I like. For example "The Thinny Thin" at Angeloni's in Caldwell. There was a place in Paramus in the mid/late 80's called Pie in the Sky that had the thinnest crust I've ever had. It was like a cracker. Super thin with a crunch. It wasn't around for a long time which I don't understand because it was super unique. and really good.
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Have you ever had the thin crust pizza at Nancy's Towne House in Rahway? It's the thinnest crust pizza I've ever had (and I've had a lot lol), almost like a cracker, like you said about the place in Paramus, and it's also fantastic pizza (place has been there since 1944). Worth a trip. Portnoy gave it an 8.8.
 
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RUinPAC10land said:
One bad thing about living in Cali is that the pizza sucks. Blaze Pizza anyone?

I really miss NJ pizza and I am jealous of you all.
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I have been in Cali since 93,
I have to say the Conejo Valley
Pizza comp is heating up, I have 3 places here that score above 8 on a NY scale
9 on a Cali scale
 
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NotInRHouse said:
People eat both Domino's and traditional pizza. Much like people eat both Taco Bell and traditional Mexican food. And people will go to dim sum at a traditional Chinese restaurant, and stop at Panda Express at the mall.

Growing up, there was a "fancy" Chinese restaurant with dim sum and a ballroom and it was across the street from a Chinese takeout with things like chicken and broccoli. They would both be packed on weekends.

In Hoboken, within walking distance of one another, you have Dominos, Tony Baloney's, and Napoli's. They have all been there for years and do great business.

There is a big difference. It's not the same cuisine, they both serve entirely different purposes. That's why they both continue to exist.
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Agree. I maintain there’s no such thing as bad pizza. Just different pizza. Had pizza at a neighborhood joint in Toronto last week. No one would confuse it with NYC pizza but it got the job done, regardless what the attention-***** windbag Portnoy would say about it.
 
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I was never a fan of Portnoy until COVID. He set up the small business fund and kept many businesses going. Props to him for that. And he is usually dead on in his pizza reviews. Outside of his bluster he is just asking for common sense. That seems lost today.
 
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Section124 said:
I was never a fan of Portnoy until COVID. He set up the small business fund and kept many businesses going. Props to him for that. And he is usually dead on in his pizza reviews. Outside of his bluster he is just asking for common sense. That seems lost today.
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Agree. And I love the pizza reviews. His schtick and delivery grew on me over time. He also gives us license to eat a lot of pizza and not feel bad about it.
 
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RUPete said:
Agree. And I love the pizza reviews. His schtick and delivery grew on me over time. He also gives us license to eat a lot of pizza and not feel bad about it.
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I find his schtick amusing, also, and he's pretty damn good with his reviews, as I've eaten at a ton of places he has reviewed and we're aligned pretty closely.

As an aside, the NYC pizzeria issue is being way, way, way overblown, which is not surprising. These are proposed rules, out for comment and even if approved, won't be shutting down pizzerias, as these establishments simply need to implement simple, inexpensive emission controls for black soot resulting from burning coal/wood, which is important for local health - and some might not even need to do that much, if they can show they've done due diligence. NYC will still have the best pizza in the world (along with NJ).

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/27/business/nyc-pizza-oven-explainer/index.html
 
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NYC pizza / coal oven rules are just the latest assault. Think of it like the CoVid masks. Sure.. most people said, okay, I can wear a mask if it helps. Then it was mask and jab.. then it was mask and 2 jabs and then double-masks and 2 jabs... and then came the boosters.

This latest proposed rule is on top of other assaults designed to eliminate all wood/coal ovens for the sake of removing those ovens... which will have a net-zero effect on the environment and just costs these businesses more and more while the cost of everything is skyrocketing on them.

Enough is enough.. is what they are saying.
 
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RU848789 said:
I find his schtick amusing, also, and he's pretty damn good with his reviews, as I've eaten at a ton of places he has reviewed and we're aligned pretty closely.

As an aside, the NYC pizzeria issue is being way, way, way overblown, which is not surprising. These are proposed rules, out for comment and even if approved, won't be shutting down pizzerias, as these establishments simply need to implement simple, inexpensive emission controls for black soot resulting from burning coal/wood, which is important for local health - and some might not even need to do that much, if they can show they've done due diligence. NYC will still have the best pizza in the world (along with NJ).

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/27/business/nyc-pizza-oven-explainer/index.html
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and how much will that cost
 
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GoodOl'Rutgers said:
NYC pizza / coal oven rules are just the latest assault. Think of it like the CoVid masks. Sure.. most people said, okay, I can wear a mask if it helps. Then it was mask and jab.. then it was mask and 2 jabs and then double-masks and 2 jabs... and then came the boosters.

This latest proposed rule is on top of other assaults designed to eliminate all wood/coal ovens for the sake of removing those ovens... which will have a net-zero effect on the environment and just costs these businesses more and more while the cost of everything is skyrocketing on them.

Enough is enough.. is what they are saying.
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It's more about health than climate, since the climate impact will be small from this program, whereas, locally, the potential health impacts of these ovens emitting completely uncontrolled soot/particulates, could be significant.

I also will never understand why asking people to do things to protect themselves and others via masks and vaccines was ever an issue for anyone, but I do understand that mandates around such things annoyed some people - not recognizing this up front was a public health miscalculation. I can only assume that the public health professionals assumed mandates for adults wouldn't be much different from mandates for children, which have been in place for decades (although even these are now at risk, due to the onslaught of misinformation on social media).
 
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Little different than COVID. You never knew who carried it. With a coal oven pizzeria you know what you're walking into.
 
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