I thought they should have left Simon in the game after Wimsatt was knocked unconscious. But Temple is the perfect place for Simon to play, it is practically in his back yard. I will follow and root for him.
OT: Evan Simon to Temple
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...he had enough tape and enough chances. If Schiano is looking at bringing in the Minnesota kid because of how Gavin played this year, he would have played Simon if he truly looked that much better.
Joe P.
Evan reminds me of Laviano- good in spurts, a serviceable backup at this level but not a full-time starter.
Joe P.
How could you draw this conclusion on such a limited sample size?
Give him Ohio State’s WR room and he would put up enough big games to get Heisman buzz (he’s more mobile than McCord but smaller). Don’t forget how many Heisman-hyped (and even won) QB’s on good college offenses have never sniffed major time in the NFL.
Passing wise is there anyone worse then GW?
Enough chances??? Threw just 3 passes in one game in 2023 (against Wisconsin) Completed two of them, one for a touchdown. That's enough chances??
Lots of teams, with mediocre results from their QB, play multiple QBs. It couldn’t have hurt too much here given our results.
Honestly I'd be happy for him. I just don't think he's the star some posters here see him as.
Joe P:
You are probably going to say that this is Gavin's 2nd season too.
He didn't play in 2020, career he has a grand total 167 pass attempts. GW had 274 attempts just this year with a 47% completion rate. Simon 57.7% with the same Oline, same receivers. Yet you think GW was better??
...I didn't think we had the answer at QB period. Teams had to at least somewhat respect Gavin's run abilities. Did you also get mad when Rettig transferred to Tennessee Tech?You are probably going to say that this is Gavin's 2nd season too.
He didn't play in 2020, career he has a grand total 167 pass attempts. GW had 274 attempts just this year with a 47% completion rate. Simon 57.7% with the same Oline, same receivers. Yet you think GW was better??
Joe P.
Some are still upset Tylin Oden was not giving the third chance at the goal line against Iowa and that they handed over the reins to Laviano.
Let’s see a HC who allows the worst rated QB in all of FBS to continue to go out every game and make the same mental blunders and miss (badly) open Receivers every game while another QB sits on Bench through every down without getting a snap or a chance. That’s the definition of a shaft.
I believe GS wants to win but not giving Simon more snaps this year, in any circumstance, was bewildering.
White, if anyone wants to cite Simon's stats this year as enough of a chance, his numbers were golden.
I'm surprised no one mentioned it yet. We should have traded Simon for Warner if Evan wanted to go to Temple.
Of course. One would have to be a dunderhead to think otherwise.
Here is a possible scenario : Simon didn't do enough in practice to win the job. Schiano and Simon talked about it. Both knew Simon was going to transfer at the end of the year and they agreed not to play him when unnecessary because if he did play Simon, Simon could burn eligibility and they wanted to preserve as many games as possible in case GW was hurt and Simon needed to go in.
Now Simon gets to move to a lower level program play for one more year and showcase his talents at that level.
And Wimsatt started in 2021. Three years is not enough time to see if he’s good or not?
Arm strength Doesn’t matter if you can’t throw anywhere near the intended receiver half the time.
Mid-season I was told that Evan requested to be red-shirted. I didn’t put much stock in it then but the way the season played leads me to believe it now.
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Who told you? He still had 2 games to play before giving up his red shirt so even if that was true he still could have been in 2 more games
And Wimsatt looks more accurate in Practice ? Yeah right.
Simon never got a chance. We will never how he would have performed for Rutgers. Best of luck to him.
Evan is mobile (in high school was very much a threat to run) but not a dual threat in college really. His lack of size and strength hurts him too. His ball is true and always catchable though. The endzone fades he threw to Sean Ryan were things of beauty.
If RU upgrades the WR room bigly then you don’t need a QB to run for 500 yards for the season. Last I checked GW is second on the team in rushing and you don’t have any first rounder WR’s on the squad.
Pretty sure it was understood before the season began that he wasn’t playing if at all possible to preserve his RS. Had GW gotten injured he was the starter.
Evan played better competition in HS than Gav did and out threw, out ran, and put up far more impressive numbers. Even is more of threat to run than Gav. I find it incredible people on here were saying Simon was slow and doesn't fit Kirk's offense
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Agreed. if that was the case he would likely 325 yds 4 tds against us in a temple upset
Some won’t like this answer and some will agree. This year was set in stone for GW…Greg skipped a recruiting year for this kid- one of the reasons I wanted him gone at that time. That should worth a firing for cause.
Greg was going all in for this one year- he got lucky and GW got us 6 wins. Kind of a win/win for Greg.
But now, let’s see Greg earn his new money- 2024- we either need a transfer in or it really has to be an open tryout before the season.
I’ll give him 2023 with GW and 6 wins- if GW is starting next year, it has to be because he earned it and we are blown away by his improvement. But if he is the starter all year again and is under 50% and not hitting open/easy passes- it is on Greg.
Greg was going all in for this one year- he got lucky and GW got us 6 wins. Kind of a win/win for Greg.
But now, let’s see Greg earn his new money- 2024- we either need a transfer in or it really has to be an open tryout before the season.
I’ll give him 2023 with GW and 6 wins- if GW is starting next year, it has to be because he earned it and we are blown away by his improvement. But if he is the starter all year again and is under 50% and not hitting open/easy passes- it is on Greg.
Interesting. did your son ever tell you someone didn’t have to compete for a starting job when he played For GS?
Evan was very mobile in HS if that’s what you mean. Gavin has better top end speed and is a little quicker. GW led all BigTen QB’s in rushing (without overdoing it on the attempts). Evan is the kind of QB that in FCS he puts up really big numbers in a passing offense. Monmouth would be drooling to have him probably.
hs yes, I fixed that
You cannot discount the kid's production and in no way will I say Gav is faster. You should go back and look at his tapes. I think Gav is the kid that should go fcs to be honest. He wouldn't have to rely on his arm to win and the competition would be more forgiving to his weaknesses
Either way, we'll see what Simon can do at Temple and the Gav wherever he goes after Athan commits
If Evan was 6’4” 225 and just as mobile as he is now he’d be NFL material by the “measurables.” I think he’s very accurate and just a little bit of a victim of his smallish size. His lack of size makes his job that much tougher. I feel the same way about Claude Giroux when Flyers fans used to kill him for not dominating Crosby and the other elite centers. Pound for pound Giroux is a Hall of Famer…but he’s never been a consistently dominant NHL player.
As a runner and running threat, yes. It allows you to beat Indiana, NW, VT and come back and beat Michigan State. Woody Hayes approves.
If Rutgers gets some speedy and elusive WR’s then GW may not be the best answer. The Minnesota QB looks interesting to say the least.
I'm not saying he's michael vick but he's far more athletic and a better runner than anyone here wants to give him credit for.
sorry but this is laughable. he's not dominant nor a running threat as not one single team had a spy on him or game planned his ability. You can see this in the defensive sets.
as for passing, I can't believe you think receivers are going to fix the woes of the offense