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krup

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RUScrew85 said:
I'm still waiting for the Ice Age that was promised in the 1970s.
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You are not supposed to talk about that, because since then “adjustments” to the temperature record have revised 1930’s and 1940’s temperatures downward and removed all explanation for that 1970’s scare.

One could say that adjusting past temperatures downward, which makes current temperatures look hotter, is proof that science has been politicized on this issue to fit an agenda.

Obviously, though, a better explanation is that the climate scientists have invented time travel which allows them to travel decades into the past and take new measurements.
 
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RUScrew85

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krup said:
You are not supposed to talk about that, because since then “adjustments” to the temperature record have revised 1930’s and 1940’s temperatures downward and removed all explanation for that 1970’s scare.

One could say that adjusting past temperatures downward, which makes current temperatures look hotter, is proof that science has been politicized on this issue to fit an agenda.

Obviously, though, a better explanation is that the climate scientists have invented time travel which allows them to travel decades into the past and take new measurements.
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Well if that was cancelled then I'm still waiting for the world to run out of food and oil by the 1980s!!!
 
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While the visibility here in Belmar seems better than NYC based on the pics in this thread, it is clearly the worst day down here since the Canadian fire smoke started a few days ago. The smell is very strong and air is heavy despite a decent wind. I went out to Allaire on my bike this morning and was relatively unaffected but it seems noticeably worse this afternoon. Basically hanging indoors with everything shut. I get the sense we could be dealing with this for a couple more days.
 
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Saw this on the weather board. Filters gotta be used right? I mean its orangish out but not like that, at least in Hamilton it's not

 
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RUScrew85

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Postman_1 said:
Saw this on the weather board. Filters gotta be used right? I mean its orangish out but not like that, at least in Hamilton it's not

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Cameras are pretty subjective for this kind of thing. That said, I did take a couple from my house too.
 
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RUScrew85 said:
I find that hard to believe. But OK at least that makes some sense.
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No, it's true. That's why many school districts in the area will send kids home early on hot days. Think about it: the school season runs from the beginning of September until the middle of June, why would they invest in the cost of air conditioning for possibly a couple of days in September and a few days in late May and early June? Also, don't forget that many of the buildings are decades old, so they wouldn't have been built with it back then, and it's too costly to retrofit it now. My boys' HS was built in 1966: the other HS in town was built in 1952.
 
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RUScrew85

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DJ Spanky said:
No, it's true. That's why many school districts in the area will send kids home early on hot days. Think about it: the school season runs from the beginning of September until the middle of June, why would they invest in the cost of air conditioning for possibly a couple of days in September and a few days in late May and early June? Also, don't forget that many of the buildings are decades old, so they wouldn't have been built with it back then, and it's too costly to retrofit it now. My boys' HS was built in 1966: the other HS in town was built in 1952.
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I am amazed that with the amount of money poured into public schools that the NEA hasn't gotten AC for their staff by now. I mean I get it, sending them home to AC is nice for soft modern kids. I never had AC in school when I was growing up. They used to shut off the lights when it was real hot. LOL. But now 50 years later, still no AC? Where is all that money going?
 
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RU4Real said:
That's because you're leaving out an important part of the narrative.

The "ice age prediction" was the outcropping of a 9 paragraph story that appeared in Newsweek in 1975. The author, Peter Gwynne - science editor for Newsweek at the time - postulated that the minor decrease in global temperatures from the 1940s through the early 70s was due to a combination of soot and aerosols and, given a status quo, would ultimately result in a repetition of the "Little Ice Age" that impacted parts of the planet beginning in the 16th century.

Media outlets ran with the story and its existence, if not exactly its substance, became pop culture. It's still cited today by politicians and media outlets in an effort to deny existing climate change.

Since then, the amount of soot in the atmosphere has dropped dramatically and aerosol sprays are practically non-existent with the use of CFCs being banned in 1990 pursuant to the Montreal Agreement.

None of that precludes the evidence of what's happening today - that global temperatures are increasing dramatically and sea surface temps are, relatively speaking, through the roof. In the majority of measurement locations in the Arctic, sea ice coverage in the month of April (the month when ice traditionally stops accumulating) is down anywhere between 35% to 60% since 1979.
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I thought that whole thing had something to do with the ozone layer?
 
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RU4Real said:
That's because you're leaving out an important part of the narrative.

The "ice age prediction" was the outcropping of a 9 paragraph story that appeared in Newsweek in 1975. The author, Peter Gwynne - science editor for Newsweek at the time - postulated that the minor decrease in global temperatures from the 1940s through the early 70s was due to a combination of soot and aerosols and, given a status quo, would ultimately result in a repetition of the "Little Ice Age" that impacted parts of the planet beginning in the 16th century.

Media outlets ran with the story and its existence, if not exactly its substance, became pop culture. It's still cited today by politicians and media outlets in an effort to deny existing climate change.

Since then, the amount of soot in the atmosphere has dropped dramatically and aerosol sprays are practically non-existent with the use of CFCs being banned in 1990 pursuant to the Montreal Agreement.

None of that precludes the evidence of what's happening today - that global temperatures are increasing dramatically and sea surface temps are, relatively speaking, through the roof. In the majority of measurement locations in the Arctic, sea ice coverage in the month of April (the month when ice traditionally stops accumulating) is down anywhere between 35% to 60% since 1979.
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I wonder which part of the narrative non Leftists folks will have left out when anthropogenic climate change doesn't pan out.
 
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GoodOl'Rutgers said:
Heard stories of people who rarely use an inhaler having to go it several times already today. sightings of people who work outdoors wearing serious respirators... smart people.
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Work in red Bank, went up to the top of our buildings parking deck to take some pictures of the Navesink river. Forget that, on a normal day you can see the river perfectly from our parking deck, not today. Also, when I got back into my office felt dizzy which I have never had something like that before. Be careful and stay indoors.
 
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RUforester72 said:
Also, in many of the western valleys temperature inversions will trap smoke for days on end. At least in Oregon where I live, folks who can will escape to the coast to get breathable air!

As Tom Jones once said: "It's Not Unusual!"
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Oh yes.

Short of a coast, top or other side of the mountains are good options.
 
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BROTHERSKINNY said:
Work in red Bank, went up to the top of our buildings parking deck to take some pictures of the Navesink river. Forget that, on a normal day you can see the river perfectly from our parking deck, not today. Also, when I got back into my office felt dizzy which I have never had something like that before. Be careful and stay indoors.
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So you just picked the worst day of all time to take a photo of the river?

Slick.

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Western hillsborough EPA monitoring station now reporting 486…that is straight up toxic, about as bad as it can get and very dangerous for exposure of over 10 minutes. Eyes are burning and got a headache even with the house HVAC fan on recirculate. Visibility under a half mile.

******* insane.
 
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