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Two Princeton, MIT Scientists Say EPA Climate Regulations Based On A 'Hoax'​


https://www.zerohedge.com/political...ntists-say-epa-climate-regulations-based-hoax

You didn't read that hot mess, did you?

A ZeroHedge piece based on an interview with the Epoch Times.

It talks about "three scientists" but only (allegedly) speaks to one of them - WIlliam Happer, Princeton. Happer is a physicist who specialized in optics and has zero experience in climatology.

He introduces faulty data into his diatribe against faulty data.

He says, among other things, that the doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere in the early part of the 20th century was "directly responsible" for increased food production.

Actual climate scientists have debunked him, including in this 10 page paper from Jason West, UNC Chapel Hill.

 

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You’ll have to explain the joke to me. A drunk who doesn’t even have an high school diploma accuses me of going to what he perceives to be a lesser school than the one that I actually attended, and I’m supposed to be offended?

An education is what you make of it, the name on the diploma doesn’t really matter that much when you actually get out in the workforce - maybe you can weigh in when you get an education and a job.
 

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ALL sensible and honest people get badjacketed by the kooks
Its a badgte of honor to get swarmed by the "fact-checkers" these days

"Bad-jacketing is a term for planting doubt on the authenticity of an individual's bona fides or identity. An example would be creating suspicion through spreading false rumors, manufacturing evidence, etc."

You’ve twisted yourself in knots to believe what you want to believe.
 
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Is Biden seeking to raise oil output from SA and Venezuela and others, yes. Just like every president has for the last 70 years. You know, trying to get energy prices down. You are probably complaining about high energy prices that are Bidens fault while simultaneously complaining about him trying to lower prices.

US energy production is at an all time high and US exports of energy are at an all time high. This has been written numerous times in this thread.

So no they aren’t facts, there are kernels of truth wrapped in biased opinion. There are no facts to support your claim that Biden is trying to shut down US fossil fuel industry. Over time, they want to switch to renewables just like everyone else that isn’t Saudi Arabia or Russia.
What a crock. In your zeal to play gotcha you missed a number of points:
1) Biden begging enemies like Iran and Venezuela, and at the time SA-at least according to Biden's rhetoric, for increasing oil production while restricting US oil producers is the Euro green policy risk that post was referring to.
2) Biden, or his handlers most likely, started panicking about the increasing gas prices for political reasons. The dummy and his Admin were praising the high gas pump prices but had to react (raid the SPR, beg unfriendly nations for oil) because it was hurting the Dems in '22 midterm polls.
3) I guess if you don't consider Biden's own words about shutting down our fossil fuel industry, or the policy actions like raising costs and limiting land for oil exploration as facts you are simply in denial.
 
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You’ll have to explain the joke to me. A drunk who doesn’t even have an high school diploma accuses me of going to what he perceives to be a lesser school than the one that I actually attended, and I’m supposed to be offended?

An education is what you make of it, the name on the diploma doesn’t really matter that much when you actually get out in the workforce - maybe you can weigh in when you get an education and a job.
FDU, LOLz
 
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Huge undersea volcacno erupted this year


"This massive subsea volcanic event appears to have elevated the absolute amount of water vapor in the upper atmosphere by some 11%. As high as the mesosphere and into space. Huge ejection. This May last for up to ten years. This added water vapor encircled the earth within several months of eruption. Water vapor (the other “greenhouse gas” according to environmentalists ) is 63X more prevalent in the upper atmosphere than Co2. This single event would have a major impact on warming the entire Pacific Ocean by several degrees, and on northern hemisphere temps."


The eruption of this one volcano released more carbon, water vapor and micro particles into the upper atmosphere than the entirety of humanity from its very beginning! Climate change is about government control and nothing to do with climate change. Climate change has been happening on earth since before humans inhabited the planet. My suggestion for the climate wackos here is to enjoy your 70-100 years on this planet and STFU about climate change for the rest of us who just want pursue happiness! 😃
 
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Huge undersea volcacno erupted this year


"This massive subsea volcanic event appears to have elevated the absolute amount of water vapor in the upper atmosphere by some 11%. As high as the mesosphere and into space. Huge ejection. This May last for up to ten years. This added water vapor encircled the earth within several months of eruption. Water vapor (the other “greenhouse gas” according to environmentalists ) is 63X more prevalent in the upper atmosphere than Co2. This single event would have a major impact on warming the entire Pacific Ocean by several degrees, and on northern hemisphere temps."


Should make this an OT thread...the hardcore greenies need a wake-up call about nature vs. man. I think I'll bring it into CE and watch diddles cry lol.
 
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The eruption of this one volcano released more carbon, water vapor and micro particles into the upper atmosphere than the entirety of humanity from its very beginning! Climate change is about government control and nothing to do with climate change. Climate change has been happening on earth since before humans inhabited the planet. My suggestion for the climate wackos here is to enjoy your 70-100 years on this planet and STFU about climate change for the rest of us who just want pursue happiness! 😃
You've posted this multiple times and it's wrong each time. The amount of material, especially CO2, the primary long-term climate concern, ejected from any volcano is miniscule compared to the amount humans have put into the earth's atmosphere.

Arguing with you is like arguing with a 5-year old stamping his feet and spewing nonsense. As per the article below, even major volcanic eruptions typically only emit about 10-50 MM metric tons of CO2, which is a drop in the bucket when compared to the 29 billion metric tons of C02 emitted per year by humanity (that's with a "b" - a billion is a 1000 times more than a million, just in case you weren't aware). Again, do a little research before you post or ask a grown-up to help you with your posts.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/starts...2-does-a-single-volcano-emit/?sh=7492cecf5cbf

When you realize that volcanism contributes 645 million tons of CO2 per year – and it becomes clearer if you write it as 0.645 billion tons of CO2 per year – compared to humanity's 29 billion tons per year, it's overwhelmingly clear what's caused the carbon dioxide increase in Earth's atmosphere since 1750. In fact, even if we include the rare, very large volcanic eruptions, like 1980's Mount St. Helens or 1991's Mount Pinatubo eruption, they only emitted 10 and 50 million tons of CO2 each, respectively. It would take three Mount St. Helens and one Mount Pinatubo eruption every day to equal the amount that humanity is presently emitting.

 

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Well since the heat out west thread is completely unreadable, figured I'd post this here. July 2023 is officially the hottest July, globally (and any month), in NOAAs 174 year data record for both global air temperatures and global sea surface temperatures. 2023 is on track to be the warmest year on record for the planet; an excerpt is below, as is the link.

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/global-climate-202307

July Highlights:​

  • Antarctica saw its third-consecutive month of record-low sea ice extent.
  • July 2023 set a record for the highest monthly sea surface temperature anomaly (+1.78°F or +0.99°C) of any month in NOAA’s 174-year record.
  • South America had a record-breaking July, with its highest monthly temperature anomaly ever recorded at 3.94°F (2.19°C) above the July average.
Globally, July 2023 set a record for the warmest July in the 174-year NOAA record. The year-to-date (January–July) global surface temperature ranked as the third warmest such period on record. According to NCEI’s Global Annual Temperature Outlook and data through July, it is virtually certain (> 99.0%) that the year 2023 will rank among the five-warmest years on record with a nearly 50% probability that 2023 will rank warmest on record.
 
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What a crock. In your zeal to play gotcha you missed a number of points:
1) Biden begging enemies like Iran and Venezuela, and at the time SA-at least according to Biden's rhetoric, for increasing oil production while restricting US oil producers is the Euro green policy risk that post was referring to.
2) Biden, or his handlers most likely, started panicking about the increasing gas prices for political reasons. The dummy and his Admin were praising the high gas pump prices but had to react (raid the SPR, beg unfriendly nations for oil) because it was hurting the Dems in '22 midterm polls.
3) I guess if you don't consider Biden's own words about shutting down our fossil fuel industry, or the policy actions like raising costs and limiting land for oil exploration as facts you are simply in denial.
You are one angry uninformed biased boob. Thanks for posting your opinion piece from the post regurgitating Maga talking point after Maga talking point. You’re useless.
 

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What a crock. In your zeal to play gotcha you missed a number of points:
1) Biden begging enemies like Iran and Venezuela, and at the time SA-at least according to Biden's rhetoric, for increasing oil production while restricting US oil producers is the Euro green policy risk that post was referring to.
2) Biden, or his handlers most likely, started panicking about the increasing gas prices for political reasons. The dummy and his Admin were praising the high gas pump prices but had to react (raid the SPR, beg unfriendly nations for oil) because it was hurting the Dems in '22 midterm polls.
3) I guess if you don't consider Biden's own words about shutting down our fossil fuel industry, or the policy actions like raising costs and limiting land for oil exploration as facts you are simply in denial.
He hasn't seen Biden's own words on this. He watches CNN/MSNBC
 

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Well since the heat out west thread is completely unreadable, figured I'd post this here. July 2023 is officially the hottest July, globally (and any month), in NOAAs 174 year data record for both global air temperatures and global sea surface temperatures. 2023 is on track to be the warmest year on record for the planet; an excerpt is below, as is the link.

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/global-climate-202307

July Highlights:​

  • Antarctica saw its third-consecutive month of record-low sea ice extent.
  • July 2023 set a record for the highest monthly sea surface temperature anomaly (+1.78°F or +0.99°C) of any month in NOAA’s 174-year record.
  • South America had a record-breaking July, with its highest monthly temperature anomaly ever recorded at 3.94°F (2.19°C) above the July average.
Globally, July 2023 set a record for the warmest July in the 174-year NOAA record. The year-to-date (January–July) global surface temperature ranked as the third warmest such period on record. According to NCEI’s Global Annual Temperature Outlook and data through July, it is virtually certain (> 99.0%) that the year 2023 will rank among the five-warmest years on record with a nearly 50% probability that 2023 will rank warmest on record.


Nothing unusual about high temperatures in July
A 90F heatwave in January or February would be "climate change."
Every summer polar ice melts and media goes full ninny
There is new ice in Antarctica









 
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Huge undersea volcacno erupted this year


"This massive subsea volcanic event appears to have elevated the absolute amount of water vapor in the upper atmosphere by some 11%. As high as the mesosphere and into space. Huge ejection. This May last for up to ten years. This added water vapor encircled the earth within several months of eruption. Water vapor (the other “greenhouse gas” according to environmentalists ) is 63X more prevalent in the upper atmosphere than Co2. This single event would have a major impact on warming the entire Pacific Ocean by several degrees, and on northern hemisphere temps."


This happened in 2022 and climate scientists predict that the massive amounts of water will have little climate impact as atmospheric water balances out very quickly (i.e., rain), as per the link and excerpt below. Would like to know where you got your info above (wasn't from the link you provided).

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere

This extra water vapor could influence atmospheric chemistry, boosting certain chemical reactions that could temporarily worsen depletion of the ozone layer. It could also influence surface temperatures. Massive volcanic eruptions like Krakatoa and Mount Pinatubo typically cool Earth’s surface by ejecting gases, dust, and ash that reflect sunlight back into space. In contrast, the Tonga volcano didn’t inject large amounts of aerosols into the stratosphere, and the huge amounts of water vapor from the eruption may have a small, temporary warming effect, since water vapor traps heat. The effect would dissipate when the extra water vapor cycles out of the stratosphere and would not be enough to noticeably exacerbate climate change effects.
 

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LOL so you got nothing, can't refute anything...just weak name-calling. Typical triggered lib.
All time high energy production.and exports. And I stated he wants moving the country to renewables just like every country is trying to do. . Doesn’t mean the industry dies and it ain’t happening in his timeline. These are nuanced issues that require reading things other than the post to get your info.

PS you are the king of name calling.
 
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Yawn. So what about Rutgers 1st game of the season. Who is going? Will it be cancelled due to excessive heat. LOL 😆

A prerequisite for engaging in discussion on climate change is knowing the difference between weather and climate. It appears you don’t meet that threshold.
I never mentioned the term "weather or climate" in my entry above. Sorry you took my mentioning of temperature so seriously and personally.

However, you do know that temperature measurements over a 30-year weather pattern period is one of the many meteorological variables used to define climate.
 
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All time high energy production.and exports. And I stated he wants moving the country to renewables just like every country is trying to do. . Doesn’t mean the industry dies and it ain’t happening in his timeline. These are nuanced issues that require reading things other than the post to get your info.

PS you are the king of name calling.
Let's see the source for your stats--we all know the US has been supplying Euros with nat gas because Russia cut-off their gas supplies. So is it a temporary stop-gap? I'd assume the SPR raid factors into the stats too. We should be aggressively using all tools to replace capacity for what we are exporting if it is reducing our future production capabilities re: reliable energy.

Are you saying Biden is lying about his fossil fuel phase-out plan for political purposes? Does he have a clue about the infrastructure demands and heavy logistics involved in his so-called energy transition plans? Do you have confidence he is the right leader to make a plan work? You must remember the much ballyhooed $800Bn shovel-ready Infrastructure plan under Obama-Biden was Joe's responsibility to implement and manage. How did that turn out?

Show me receipts where I started the name-calling and insults...I'll bet you it was one of your guys.
 

pmvon

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Let's see the source for your stats--we all know the US has been supplying Euros with nat gas because Russia cut-off their gas supplies. So is it a temporary stop-gap? I'd assume the SPR raid factors into the stats too. We should be aggressively using all tools to replace capacity for what we are exporting if it is reducing our future production capabilities re: reliable energy.

Are you saying Biden is lying about his fossil fuel phase-out plan for political purposes? Does he have a clue about the infrastructure demands and heavy logistics involved in his so-called energy transition plans? Do you have confidence he is the right leader to make a plan work? You must remember the much ballyhooed $800Bn shovel-ready Infrastructure plan under Obama-Biden was Joe's responsibility to implement and manage. How did that turn out?

Show me receipts where I started the name-calling and insults...I'll bet you it was one of your guys.


 

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Nothing unusual about high temperatures in July
A 90F heatwave in January or February would be "climate change."
Every summer polar ice melts and media goes full ninny
There is new ice in Antarctica









Once again, you're completely confusing weather and climate. You posted a bunch of examples of specific hot weather records from the past - these are not indicative of climate at all. Global average temperatures being the hottest they've been in 174 years of record keeping over an entire month and likely in thousands of years overall are indicative of climate change for the planet. If you don't understand the difference you can't add anything of value to the discussion. You also didn't include any source for your comments about the volcano.

The July global surface temperature was 2.02°F (1.12°C) above the 20th-century average of 60.4°F (15.8°C), making it the warmest July and likely the warmest month in NOAA’s 174-year record. This marked the first time a July temperature exceeded 1.8°F (1.0°C) above the long-term average.
 
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The eruption of this one volcano released more carbon, water vapor and micro particles into the upper atmosphere than the entirety of humanity from its very beginning! Climate change is about government control and nothing to do with climate change. Climate change has been happening on earth since before humans inhabited the planet. My suggestion for the climate wackos here is to enjoy your 70-100 years on this planet and STFU about climate change for the rest of us who just want pursue happiness! 😃

Your assumption is incorrect.
 

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Once again, you're completely confusing weather and climate. You posted a bunch of examples of specific hot weather records from the past - these are not indicative of climate at all. Global average temperatures being the hottest they've been in 174 years of record keeping over an entire month and likely in thousands of years overall are indicative of climate change for the planet. If you don't understand the difference you can't add anything of value to the discussion. You also didn't include any source for your comments about the volcano.

The July global surface temperature was 2.02°F (1.12°C) above the 20th-century average of 60.4°F (15.8°C), making it the warmest July and likely the warmest month in NOAA’s 174-year record. This marked the first time a July temperature exceeded 1.8°F (1.0°C) above the long-term average.

Not for one second do I buy any scientist using "174 years of record keeping." Even modern scientific measurements often turn-up wrong and misused. Comparing things like modern satellite data to whatever crude measurements that are being used for 1849 is begging for abuse (hence the ridiculous hockey stick mess).

I might be a Dem because they are all in a tizzy using heatwaves (weather) and fires to declare apocalyptic climate/weather are upon us. Talk about confusing definitions and contexts. Its pretty diabolical that a lot of kids think hurricanes come from "climate change."

In the past I used to get yelled at by the kooks for citing studies from geophysicists and not meteorologists. So yeah the word games, rigged defnitions, "fingerprints of evidence" and bogus stats stand out in contrast to any real rigeur. Its pretty obvious that most of the apocalyptic weather/climate crowd is wrong all the time

Al Gore won a Nobel Prize for his con. He said "there is a 75 per cent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years."

That was in 2009.
These kinds of fanrications are constant.
They researcher Gore cited for his prediction got mad at Gore.


 
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Not as much as by reading the front page of the WSJ. All editorial pages are political, but the WSJ front page is the most politics free of any major newspaper.

The WSJ News is highly respected and non-partisan. The opinion page, OTOH, is about a right-wing as gets. But I'll even give credit to them for calling Trump a dummy and a liar when it is so.
 
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