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Saw that Trump is now considering pausing the 10% as well. This will help the market. Brings us back to where we started on tariffs.
I went out to dinner last night with my cousin who’s a financial analyst and has worked on Wall Street for 30+ years. I asked him some questions about the tariffs and the market. He said the tariff war with China is needed for long term economic health. But he said the tariffs on the other countries were a mistake and should have been handled differently. He wasn’t concerned about the stock market fluctuating and said expect it to be down for the next few months. But it will bounce back over time like it always does. But each person will look at this differently based on where they are in life and how close to retirement they are.

I asked if we were in a recession and he said it depends on how you define recession. There are a few ways to look at it. But we most likely are in a recession.

He said the bond market is the bigger concern with the tariffs. He said bond traders and smarter than stock traders and understand tariffs and the global economy better. Once the treasury yields went up Bessent probably called POTUS to say delay the tariffs for 90 days. He said Bessent understands the market and should be making the decisions. He said we need to make sure other countries still buy treasuries.
 

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I went out to dinner last night with my cousin who’s a financial analyst and has worked on Wall Street for 30+ years. I asked him some questions about the tariffs and the market. He said the tariff war with China is needed for long term economic health. But he said the tariffs on the other countries were a mistake and should have been handled differently. He wasn’t concerned about the stock market fluctuating and said expect it to be down for the next few months. But it will bounce back over time like it always does. But each person will look at this differently based on where they are in life and how close to retirement they are.

I asked if we were in a recession and he said it depends on how you define recession. There are a few ways to look at it. But we most likely are in a recession.

He said the bond market is the bigger concern with the tariffs. He said bond traders and smarter than stock traders and understand tariffs and the global economy better. Once the treasury yields went up Bessent probably called POTUS to say delay the tariffs for 90 days. He said Bessent understands the market and should be making the decisions. He said we need to make sure other countries still buy treasuries.
Spot on for the last paragraph here. Thing is China owns Treasuries and a large part of the MBS market so there is a lot of dependency there. We could/should be much more open with other countries to continue having them invest in us and reduce any dependency on China. If their buying starts to dry up or if they start unloading our debt into the market it would cause issues. This is all about China
 

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Spot on for the last paragraph here. Thing is China owns Treasuries and a large part of the MBS market so there is a lot of dependency there. We could/should be much more open with other countries to continue having them invest in us and reduce any dependency on China. If their buying starts to dry up or if they start unloading our debt into the market it would cause issues. This is all about China
A sizeable portion of China's Treasuries holdings are in European-based accounts, so they are "masked." All totalled, China is the #1 holder of US debt. Those European-based holdings (liquidation of) are likely the cause of recent Treasuries turmoil. A show of economic force. That's China's leverage. And is what is driving our softening stance on China tariffs. We need to get a deal done. We both know this. It will happen. I suspect news will leak today/tomorrow to soften the impact on Monday's market open. Or else the sell off accelerates.
 

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Spot on for the last paragraph here. Thing is China owns Treasuries and a large part of the MBS market so there is a lot of dependency there. We could/should be much more open with other countries to continue having them invest in us and reduce any dependency on China. If their buying starts to dry up or if they start unloading our debt into the market it would cause issues. This is all about China
Correct. He said the reason the tariffs on the other countries were a mistake is we don’t want to harm relationships with them. Many of those countries we have/had a good relationship with and we want them to buy more treasuries and invest more in US.
 

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Be stupid to pass up 9% yield on Aa credit. Told my guy I’ll keep buying if he has more. It sells fast.
LOL! Buying 4.5% munis. Makes me laugh every time.

In other news, AAPL should be happy:
"Trump exempts smartphones, computers, chips from reciprocal tariffs"

 
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With the information hitting about CALM is the expectation that the stock price will see a negative impact?

I guess as a total stock market index investor I am an owner.
 

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I don’t like to be a tattle tale but yeesh.
Again to be clear talking about Budgets, inflation, and economic factors that play into all the stock chatter isn't valid for this thread? I thought as long as it wasn't getting into party crap and this president vs. that was ok.

I just deleted all my posts. . Guessing this is only a Buy this - sell that thread so I'll just leave it be. Don't want to be one of those "a-holes". Sorry for the contributions.
I guess I was thinking such topics might have been ok in these extremely unique times. Might start a thread titled "economic banter not allowed in stock investment thread" but that would likely turn to crap . Have fun and Good luck.
 
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daveBuffet started with the Musk/DOGE sniping. Tariff policy talk in this thread is clearly justified since it has been driving markets--most of the year actually-- but particularly since April 2.

As an aside this bitching about the dreaded (lol) CE is pretty lame. While I enjoy this thread (follow a lot even if not posting), some of you free boarders seem to think that nobody should respond to indirect or direct political comments when they do pop up here; and you get especially triggered about anyone who pays for a TKR subscription and does post on the CE. Sorry to tell you guys, but free boarders don't own the free boards. If someone believes any post is too political within the context of whatever discussion is ongoing, then report it. But it goes for both sides, report something you believe is "too political" for this thread even if you agree with that particular political opinion. Before daveBuffet started ranting, the lil' boss dude was posting cheap political shots about covid and bleach. From what I recall--and again I check this thread frequently--nobody complained about lil' boss until the "CE goons" started responding. Police your own and I bet the threads wouldn't spiral as much.
I'm fine with political conversations that pertain to the economy and markets. But can we keep the personal insults out (moron, lulz, TDS, haha, triggered, etc). If you don't agree with a post, give a reasonable response. I disagree a lot with ashokan but he keeps out any personal jabs. Cryptic responses don't add to the discussion either. I can name the posters that do all that but whoever is reading knows who I'm talking about. Yes, I've gotten personal too but only in response to jabs.
 

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daveBuffet started with the Musk/DOGE sniping. Tariff policy talk in this thread is clearly justified since it has been driving markets--most of the year actually-- but particularly since April 2.

As an aside this bitching about the dreaded (lol) CE is pretty lame. While I enjoy this thread (follow a lot even if not posting), some of you free boarders seem to think that nobody should respond to indirect or direct political comments when they do pop up here; and you get especially triggered about anyone who pays for a TKR subscription and does post on the CE. Sorry to tell you guys, but free boarders don't own the free boards. If someone believes any post is too political within the context of whatever discussion is ongoing, then report it and let the Mods handle it. But it goes for both sides, report something you believe is "too political" for this thread even if you agree with that particular political opinion. Before daveBuffet started ranting, the lil' boss dude was posting cheap political shots about covid and bleach. From what I recall--and again I check this thread frequently--nobody complained about lil' boss until the "CE goons" started responding. Police your own and I bet the threads wouldn't spiral as much.
Got to keep comments/posts aimed at the position stated and not at the person making the statement. Grown men calling each other "stupid" is just a bad look, hostile, and never the basis of a winning argument. And, of course, it undermines the position credibility of the aggressor.
 

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daveBuffet started with the Musk/DOGE sniping. Tariff policy talk in this thread is clearly justified since it has been driving markets--most of the year actually-- but particularly since April 2.

As an aside this bitching about the dreaded (lol) CE is pretty lame. While I enjoy this thread (follow a lot even if not posting), some of you free boarders seem to think that nobody should respond to indirect or direct political comments when they do pop up here; and you get especially triggered about anyone who pays for a TKR subscription and does post on the CE. Sorry to tell you guys, but free boarders don't own the free boards. If someone believes any post is too political within the context of whatever discussion is ongoing, then report it and let the Mods handle it. But it goes for both sides, report something you believe is "too political" for this thread even if you agree with that particular political opinion. Before daveBuffet started ranting, the lil' boss dude was posting cheap political shots about covid and bleach. From what I recall--and again I check this thread frequently--nobody complained about lil' boss until the "CE goons" started responding. Police your own and I bet the threads wouldn't spiral as much.
I also bet it would be easier to contain political stuff to that board if it was open to all members, not just paying ones.
 

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Got to keep comments/posts aimed at the position stated and not at the person making the statement. Grown men calling each other "stupid" is just a bad look, hostile, and never the basis of a winning argument. And, of course, it undermines the position credibility of the aggressor.
That would be good not only in this thread but for the entire TKR site. It's safe to assume that the vast majority of TKR posters are RU grads and fans, but the personal attacks and insults start in every thread--have you looked at the Basketball thread lol?
 

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Tariff exceptions being announced for key US goods made in China. Notably, electronics such as phones, computers, TVs, etc. Clothing next?
After electronics, just exempt "all cheap crap for under $10" and we all should be good. :)

Hope folks bought the AAPL dip. I assume this is the type of news the market has been looking for.
 

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I also bet it would be easier to contain political stuff to that board if it was open to all members, not just paying ones.
I think Richie is correct to keep hardcore politics off the free public boards. It does get heated- kinda the nature of the beast--but also there was an incident a few years ago where one poster would copy&paste some CE posts to other social media and doxxed at least one Board member, and tried to dox others too.
 
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That would be good not only in this thread but for the entire TKR site. It's safe to assume that the vast majority of TKR posters are RU grads and fans, but the personal attacks and insults start in every thread--have you looked at the Basketball thread lol?
True enough. But given the "investment" focus of this particular thread... well, discussion about how best to manage our money/portfolio seems to be more life critical than, dare I say, any relative "trivial" discussion on various topics related to college and RU athletics. I think we know and appreciate the difference.
 
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After electronics, just exempt "all cheap crap for under $10" and we all should be good. :)

Hope folks bought the AAPL dip. I assume this is the type of news the market has been looking for.
LOL. I know two guys who made small fortunes on baubles and trinkets, tshirts, caps and such imported goods from China, wholesaling to retailers via gift market shows. One was featured a few years ago in a very funny book titled "Confederates in the Attic." This particular guy was raised in New Haven by parents who taught at Yale. He was fascinated with the South and the Civil War, so chose to attend Alabama. After graduating he founded a company focusing on Confederate flags and such. Funny guy. And all business. The other guy's business is a supplier to coastal/beach retailers. All "CFC" as they say (Crap from China). Anyway, they are typical of businesses that will suffer tremendously should anything beyond a 10% tariff occur. Not to forget the reseller businesses they sell to.
 
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True enough. But given the "investment" focus of this particular thread... well, discussion about how best to manage our money/portfolio seems to be more life critical than, dare I say, any relative "trivial" discussion on various topics related to college and RU athletics. I think we know and appreciate the difference.
Idk to each their own. I actually care more about RU FB and BB than getting advice about investing on TKR. I don't actively trade but stay relatively hands-on with my investing and also use money managers. Like I said, I find this stock thread interesting, but if I'm really getting into investing details and considering my own portfolio moves, I'm talking to real people in real time.

Anyway, I see my original post about the political sniping ITT has been removed, so I guess it's time to move on lol.
 

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Again to be clear talking about Budgets, inflation, and economic factors that play into all the stock chatter isn't valid for this thread? I thought as long as it wasn't getting into party crap and this president vs. that was ok.

I just deleted my last response about Doge and cost cutting. Guessing this is only a Buy this - sell that thread so I'll just leave it be. Don't want to be one of those "a-holes". Sorry for the contributions.
Of course that is all relevant.

I think we all know what is over the line yet some cross it anyways. Some reside strictly on the other side of the line.

If its real talk I have little issue.
 

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Of course that is all relevant.

I think we all know what is over the line yet some cross it anyways. Some reside strictly on the other side of the line.

If its real talk I have little issue.
Well it's too hard to know who you guys think are aholes so I'll just opt out to be safe. Ive deleted all my stuff last 3 pages and selling this thread. 😝
 
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How significant are negative or positive media stories to you as investors?

And beyond you as an individual how significant are either type of media stories to the real drivers of stock prices- the major pension funds and the huge hedge funds?

Are these type of stories really just noise and fundamentals or technical analysis really the only things considered?
 

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Here's a non-paywalled version. And below that is a different estimate of $160 billion in lost income annually. Of course, the error bars on these are large, but do you not think that cutting IRS staff by ~25% will lead to major impacts in tax collection?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...ge-irs-layoffs-tax-audits-budget/82754087007/

https://www.cbpp.org/blog/on-tax-day-reject-doge-led-cuts-to-the-irs-workforce-and-budget#:~:text=The Yale Budget Lab estimated,reductions in voluntary tax compliance.
So let me understand this... they aim to cut a trillion.. the RESIST movement is spending hundreds of millions to prevent this.. and now you want to blame Musk if he falls short?

How about allowing all the cuts he recommends and then grade him?
 

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I try not to police this thread as I'd end up banning both right and left posters from it, and then this thread would die. Comments pertaining to political decisions that affect the markets are fine, but you walk a very fine line in doing so and in your responses to them.

I also bet it would be easier to contain political stuff to that board if it was open to all members, not just paying ones.

Actually the only way Rivals will let us have that board is if it's subscription only. So it's not a choice for us.
 
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I try not to police this thread as I'd end up banning both right and left posters from it, and then this thread would die. Comments pertaining to political decisions that affect the markets are fine, but you walk a very fine line in doing so and in your responses to them.



Actually the only way Rivals will let us have that board is if it's subscription only. So it's not a choice for us.
If folks are talking about politics without any effort to tie back to markets and stocks, that's the red flag. We had 3-4 pages solely on DOGE and how much is being cut. That was a purely political conversation.
 
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How significant are negative or positive media stories to you as investors?

And beyond you as an individual how significant are either type of media stories to the real drivers of stock prices- the major pension funds and the huge hedge funds?

Are these type of stories really just noise and fundamentals or technical analysis really the only things considered?
The most important aspects of the market:

1. Sentiment. The market is forward looking and based on expectations. People care more about what will happen than what just happened (e.g., AI trade). This includes events, media stories and opinions of respected experts.

2. Technicals. Very good for when the market is not experiencing abnormal/extreme events or news (i.e., not right now). LOL.

3. Fundamentals. Least important, which is why value investors have gotten pummeled for the past 2 decades. As mentioned above, it's about the future, not past or present.

Hope that helps! :)
 

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If folks are talking about politics without any effort to tie back to markets and stocks, that's the red flag. We had 3-4 pages solely on DOGE and how much is being cut. That was a purely political conversation.
100% agree, there is plenty of DOGE talk on the CE board. Take it there if you wanna talk about it.
 

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So let me understand this... they aim to cut a trillion.. the RESIST movement is spending hundreds of millions to prevent this.. and now you want to blame Musk if he falls short?

How about allowing all the cuts he recommends and then grade him?
I think the more orderly way to make cuts and not roil the markets would be to name the agency heads that the President wants and give each agency head a mandate to cut 10% or 15% or whatever number he wants instead of having someone with no knowledge of that particular agency haphazardly make cuts and then correct any mistakes with rehiring . IMO, the markets would have behaved normally not withstanding tariff situation
 

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If folks are talking about politics without any effort to tie back to markets and stocks, that's the red flag. We had 3-4 pages solely on DOGE and how much is being cut. That was a purely political conversation.
To be accurate it started at the top of the last page and finished just about the top of this one. That's like 1 page. For reference go to post #35,774. Don't exactly see where Cali's post came in but it was an outlier. It's the one right after one of the guys here complaining about the political stuff quotes someone suggesting the President is insane.

I thought the back and forth...when not being immature was some of the best higher level debate I've seen on this forum and didn't even remotely come close to the cesspool that can be the CE. Made it actually fun and refreshing. Oh well.

(my sell order hasn't processed yet so I figured I still had a chance to weigh in. )
 

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Without looking I thought Thursday/Friday last week were the big down days, and monday tuesday the wild intraday swing days which ended fairly even(fairly even these past couple weeks being less then +/-2%)

With Wednesday being the huge up day.

It has certainly been crazy though.
 

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Without looking I thought Thursday/Friday last week were the big down days, and monday tuesday the wild intraday swing days which ended fairly even(fairly even these past couple weeks being less then +/-2%)

With Wednesday being the huge up day.

It has certainly been crazy though.
The S&P/VOO was up quite a bit last week. 5-6% I believe. Hoping these new exemptions give us another green week.