OT: Weird question about a Beatles song

Retired711

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We've all heard A Day in the Life, the concluding track of Sergeant Pepper. The song includes a passage sung by Paul McCartney -- "woke up, fell out of bed, ran a comb across my head . . ." The passage includes the sound of an alarm clock going off. But when I heard the song yesterday, I didn't hear the alarm clock -- and that's not the first time I've heard the song without the alarm clock. Am I going deaf, or does the radio version of the song no longer include the clock?
 

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Interesting, I'd never really heard the alarm clock, although the song is kind of before my time. I listened to it on my monitor speakers via several youtube videos and did not hear it. However, when I went back, plugged in some good headphones, the alarm clock was audible on every recording off of youtube. So it could be a result of what you're listening to it on.
 

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Interesting, I'd never really heard the alarm clock, although the song is kind of before my time. I listened to it on my monitor speakers via several youtube videos and did not hear it. However, when I went back, plugged in some good headphones, the alarm clock was audible on every recording off of youtube. So it could be a result of what you're listening to it on.
I did a little research -- what I should have done in the first place -- and it appears @ruinac is correct. So the key seem to be which recording one is listening to. I'm not sure why the alarm clock was taken out. Its inclusion was originally inadvertent, but it was kept because it went along with McCartney's lyrics. Anyway, I'll stop worrying about it. Thank you to both of you.
 

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I remember my first CD player, I got Dark Side of the Moon to be the first CD played on it. The bell/alarm on Time was the crispest treble audio I'd ever heard.
And yet notice how popular vinyl has become despite the clarity of CDs.
 
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I' would have to hear a comparison of CDs and vinyls to believe in any legit difference,
Maybe with Vivaldi's violin concertos but the Beatles?
For me a bigger problem has been speakers rigged to push bass way up/out

I know a guy who was a college DJ at Emerson and eventually president of MTV
He new all the musicians and produced the awards shows
He listed to everything at home on a little CD deck with built-in speakers
He used to laugh about friends bringing him to listen to 50k systems playing Kenny G.
 
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I remember hearing that song during the 70s and 80s on the radio and it always had the alarm clock in the song.
 

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Lots and lots of release variations across nearly every popular catalog.

Interesting bit that I've noticed - the only published, live version of Peter Frampton's "Something's Happening" is, of course, as Track 1 on Frampton Comes Alive. The version of the album on Prime Music includes an extra 8 seconds at the end of the song where Frampton is talking to the audience. It does not exist on the original recording.
 

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We've all heard A Day in the Life, the concluding track of Sergeant Pepper. The song includes a passage sung by Paul McCartney -- "woke up, fell out of bed, ran a comb across my head . . ." The passage includes the sound of an alarm clock going off. But when I heard the song yesterday, I didn't hear the alarm clock -- and that's not the first time I've heard the song without the alarm clock. Am I going deaf, or does the radio version of the song no longer include the clock?




 

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I' would have to hear a comparison of CDs and vinyls to believe in any legit difference,
Maybe with Vivaldi's violin concertos but the Beatles?
For me a bigger problem has been speakers rigged to push bass way up/out

I know a guy who was a college DJ at Emerson and eventually president of MTV
He new all the musicians and produced the awards shows
He listed to everything at home on a little CD deck with built-in speakers
He used to laugh about friends bringing him to listen to 50k systems playing Kenny G.
Despite what people like to think, the human ear isn't all that sensitive. Cheap stereos in this day and age cover pretty much everything we're able to detect.
 
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My oldest son is an Emerson grad.
I don't know what its like now but it was a cool place if you wanted to be in entertainment media.
For my friend, Emerson was his safety school after he muffed Syracuse.
At Emerson he met a ton of people who all ended-up (NYC) in cable as it grew.
Emerson footprint at MTV was big - they liked each other and stuck together (he got Denis Leary on MTV).
He met his wife at Emerson too and she was pretty cool as well
So I always think of it as a cool place to go - or was at least.
The other day he was saying cable is dead.

Unfortunately my friend was responsible for moving MTV away from videos
When he was only VP he was told that people watch a video that they like and then changed the channel.
So the goal became to keep people tuned in all the time.
Real World, Unplugged, MTV News, Beavis and Butt-head, Video and and Music awards - those were all from my dude (who moved to other nets and did South Park, Jon Stewart, Politically Incorrect and others).
Its an added plus the college is in Boston
 
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Despite what people like to think, the human ear isn't all that sensitive. Cheap stereos in this day and age cover pretty much everything we're able to detect.

I run into audiophiles online and they can be pretty intense
Charts, graphs, measurements - they get really into the weeds.
PC gamers are kinda like that too.
They can have a $500 video card getting them 120 frame per second in a game, but they often want the $1200 card that will get them 240.
You can't even tell the difference in tests of players asked which card was which.
Name something "Predator" and you can really jack the price lol
 

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Dad is a big Beatles fan and I definitely remember the alarm clock.
 

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And yet notice how popular vinyl has become despite the clarity of CDs.
Actually, CD's are really low-quality compared to ultra-high definition audio these days. Although it's kind of unclear that many, if any of us, can really hear the difference, especially by middle-age.

OTOH, one of the problems with very high quality audio is that poor recording quality is replicated too faithfully which winds up sounding like crap. But get a really well recorded track and really high end equipment and it can be pretty amazing sounding even with my crappy hearing.
 

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Listening to a greatly recorded "album" through a tube pre-amp, moving coil cartridge,
great tt and great speakers is quite moving.

Agree with your second paragraph. ( My 71 year old ears are still pretty good )
 

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Despite what people like to think, the human ear isn't all that sensitive. Cheap stereos in this day and age cover pretty much everything we're able to detect.
The difference is that 20 years ago- it did.
But…what you do have to look out for- who says they are perfect but do not give that quality which is definitive
 

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Despite what people like to think, the human ear isn't all that sensitive. Cheap stereos in this day and age cover pretty much everything we're able to detect.
I thought the same thing. Then, when upgrading my home audio system, I went around to a dozen or so places to "audition" speakers. The experience turned out to be ear-opening and educational.

One of the places I visited was in Lambertville (The Art of Sound) on Route 29 (just south of the bridge to New Hope). The owner spent hours with me, and made the mistake of demoing a pair of large Sonus Faber tower speakers (with some very high end equipment driving them). The pair cost somewhere around $50K. I had been running all over the place listening to much less expensive stuff, but the owner clearly wanted to show these off.

Those speakers blew my mind. I would never have believed just how amazing speakers could sound. Wasn't even a particularly good room, acoustically. I actually had to pause my speaker search a few weeks to allow my ears to "forget" those speakers before I could resume listening to speakers in the price-range I had budgeted for. Because the stuff I'd been listening to sounded like crap in comparison.

I cannot state with certainty that the vast difference in sound quality between "cheap stereos" and $50K+ speakers is replicated upwards to speakers costing hundreds of thousands or more. But for sure there is an easily perceptible and vast difference in sound quality between cheap commercial stuff like Bose and serious high-fidelity stuff. Even for people with bad hearing, such as me.
 

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Having said all that about speakers, I should point out that not ALL aspects of great sound quality require spending a lot of money. The whole expensive speaker wire thing seems to have been proven to be a total sham.

Some engineers set out to prove that and set up a blind listening booth at an audiophile show somewhere, years ago. They invited a bunch of high-fidelity audio journalists to do the blind listening test.

They used several different "grades" of speaker wire: ultra expensive, mid-range, really inexpensive, and some unraveled coat hangers jury rigged to connect to the speakers and amp. I'm sure everyone can see where this is going.

The results showed pretty clearly that there was no perceptible audio quality difference across all the different "wire" types, including the coat hanger.

It should be noted the speaker cable run lengths were kept purposely short, like three feet IIRC. There *are* some considerations to pay attention to if running much longer distances. And also if running in walls where the potential for interference from other types of cabling/wiring exist.

But even then, it's a matter of choosing cables with the correct gauge and wrapping for the task. Nobody has to spend $100s, let alone $1000s, on speaker cable.
 

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I thought the same thing. Then, when upgrading my home audio system, I went around to a dozen or so places to "audition" speakers. The experience turned out to be ear-opening and educational.

One of the places I visited was in Lambertville (The Art of Sound) on Route 29 (just south of the bridge to New Hope). The owner spent hours with me, and made the mistake of demoing a pair of large Sonus Faber tower speakers (with some very high end equipment driving them). The pair cost somewhere around $50K. I had been running all over the place listening to much less expensive stuff, but the owner clearly wanted to show these off.

Those speakers blew my mind. I would never have believed just how amazing speakers could sound. Wasn't even a particularly good room, acoustically. I actually had to pause my speaker search a few weeks to allow my ears to "forget" those speakers before I could resume listening to speakers in the price-range I had budgeted for. Because the stuff I'd been listening to sounded like crap in comparison.

I cannot state with certainty that the vast difference in sound quality between "cheap stereos" and $50K+ speakers is replicated upwards to speakers costing hundreds of thousands or more. But for sure there is an easily perceptible and vast difference in sound quality between cheap commercial stuff like Bose and serious high-fidelity stuff. Even for people with bad hearing, such as me.
My impression is that Bose is exceptionally poor compared to other similarly-priced speakers. As you know, Bose uses a different design than everyone else.
 

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I thought the same thing. Then, when upgrading my home audio system, I went around to a dozen or so places to "audition" speakers. The experience turned out to be ear-opening and educational.

One of the places I visited was in Lambertville (The Art of Sound) on Route 29 (just south of the bridge to New Hope). The owner spent hours with me, and made the mistake of demoing a pair of large Sonus Faber tower speakers (with some very high end equipment driving them). The pair cost somewhere around $50K. I had been running all over the place listening to much less expensive stuff, but the owner clearly wanted to show these off.

Those speakers blew my mind. I would never have believed just how amazing speakers could sound. Wasn't even a particularly good room, acoustically. I actually had to pause my speaker search a few weeks to allow my ears to "forget" those speakers before I could resume listening to speakers in the price-range I had budgeted for. Because the stuff I'd been listening to sounded like crap in comparison.

I cannot state with certainty that the vast difference in sound quality between "cheap stereos" and $50K+ speakers is replicated upwards to speakers costing hundreds of thousands or more. But for sure there is an easily perceptible and vast difference in sound quality between cheap commercial stuff like Bose and serious high-fidelity stuff. Even for people with bad hearing, such as me.
the thing is- 90% of the population has lost at least some high end hearing amongst other things- there are still some people with great hearing and it makes all the difference and there are people with the normal 30-50 hearing or 40-70 hearing- that will tell you the hear something different, but they really dont- what we CAN hear is crap vs very good.
 

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I think its often album covers and art, lyrics etc that people miss.
CD cases just dont have the magic
More than a few audiophiles have been saying something like this, as per below. I've tried a few times doing "blind" listening tests of vinyl vs. CD and haven't really seen differences worth noting. At the same time, sound quality is not the biggest deal in the world to me - if I love a song, I'll love it coming from a transistor radio, lol.

But there may be more to it than sound. Many wine lovers spurn screw-top caps even when those caps are said to preserve the wine better. And it’s not always about snobbery. For many, it’s about the ritual of uncorking the bottle. Something similar may be going on with audiophiles who are devoted to vinyl. Selecting the LP and sliding it out of its jacket, brushing away any dust, placing the vinyl disc on the turntable, gently positioning the tonearm — the entire ritual might well add something ineffable to the listening experience.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/vinyl-vs-digital-which-sounds-better
 
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Is it true how big the rivalry is with the other two schools, Lake and Palmer?
Not sure about all the sports. My son was captain of the XC team there and I know that they kicked their *** in that. I think Lake dominated in crew and Palmer in team handball.
 

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More than a few audiophiles have been saying something like this, as per below. I've tried a few times doing "blind" listening tests of vinyl vs. CD and haven't really seen differences worth noting. At the same time, sound quality is not the biggest deal in the world to me - if I love a song, I'll love it coming from a transistor radio, lol.

But there may be more to it than sound. Many wine lovers spurn screw-top caps even when those caps are said to preserve the wine better. And it’s not always about snobbery. For many, it’s about the ritual of uncorking the bottle. Something similar may be going on with audiophiles who are devoted to vinyl. Selecting the LP and sliding it out of its jacket, brushing away any dust, placing the vinyl disc on the turntable, gently positioning the tonearm — the entire ritual might well add something ineffable to the listening experience.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/vinyl-vs-digital-which-sounds-better
I don't understand (crack) why (pop) people would favor vinyl....vinyl...vinyl (pop) over dig....(skip).....when the track record...record....record,,,record of vinyl longevity is so poor (pop) (crack) (skip)
 

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I don't understand (crack) why (pop) people would favor vinyl....vinyl...vinyl (pop) over dig....(skip).....when the track record...record....record,,,record of vinyl longevity is so poor (pop) (crack) (skip)
It’s funny- vinyl is really cool…but it really isn’t better.
It is the same as me preferring and old muscle car over anything new…
 
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I remember my first CD player, I got Dark Side of the Moon to be the first CD played on it. The bell/alarm on Time was the crispest treble audio I'd ever heard.
DSOTM, arguably is the second best concept album ever. I still am hearing things onmdark
Side of the moon for the first time after hearing it, oh probably 200-300 times. LOL!
 

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What you didn't know about the Beatles.
Beatlemania in the USA began in a very unlikely place:Sam Houston State.
It seems that a frat brother returned from England in early'63 with a copy of Please Please Me.
Before long,their Saturday Night keg parties featured "I Saw Her Standing There" pouring out of the dorm windows almost a year before Jack Spector played "I Want To Hold Your Hand" on WMCA.
According to frat member,Chet Flippo,(who later wrote Yesterday,a Mc Cartney biography),dozens of college boys went a lot further than just listening.They let their hair grow,started wearing pegged paints,and ordered Beatle-style flamenco boots flown into Huntsville.That must have gone over real big in that location where the average bar patron resembled an extra for the movie Deliverance.
 
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