After looking at the ADM’s that were submitted last week I realized that my Knights playing Murphy with a difference of about 100 students is not that big of an advantage if you look at Andrews at 209. We have 150 more students than the cats. You never hear them say a word about it. Hats off to the wildcats and what they do with the students they have. Knights fans just let it go and let’s play.
Put the numbers to rest , please !!!
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I know some will say that Murphy hides kids , cooks the books etc but until there’s hard evidence and someone steps forward with that evidence and proof please let it go. I hope the Knights fan base isn’t judged by a few that make these empty comments. I think is a bad message we’re sending our kids. “ if it’s not going your way or if you don’t win find an excuse “.
Robbinsville has 360. What if we open a EC next year and 80 kids attend it. Would you then say Cherokee us bigger than Robbinsville?
What would be the difference in our program at 360 and Robbinsville at 280?
Which number would represent us better?
Answer these three questions please.
What would be the difference in our program at 360 and Robbinsville at 280?
Which number would represent us better?
Answer these three questions please.
The casino hasn't been open long enough to positively impact enrollment at the upper age levels because a lot parents with kids that would be middle school or high school age right now had already left the area by the time the casino came around. I imagine Murphy's numbers will start to go up a little when kids that are just now or about to start school get to the upper age levels.
All the casino did was stop some of the bleeding here. If Murphy gets back to their pre economic collapse numbers in the next 15 years (with the early college taking students factored in) I'll consider that a success for the town and county.
And to think some people were actually opposed to the casino, without the casino and the 1,000 or so jobs it has brought, things would be looking much more bleak here.
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I see what you are saying and agree. A EC is an advantage for some schools. Their fans usually skate around these direct questions because they know it helps them. We all know the Murphy's, Mitchell's Tarboro's, etc are not losing many football players if any to the EC. Football is just too popular in those communities and the players want to take part in that tradition.
That's just my take on it. Its an advantage. It is not illegal and nobody is breaking rules. I also don't think Gentry walks into the lunchroom and orders 45 kids to move over to the EC lol.
I think we already offer the EC at Robbinsville but it’s done under the roof of RHS. All I’m saying is nothing we get on a message board and talk about is going to change anything anytime soon. Let’s play the game. I dont know how it all works and don’t pretend to. Like I said earlier if someone has proof that something crooked is going on please step forward. Until then let it go. All we’re doing is helping our team come up with an excuse to use off the field because we can’t get it done on the field. We can play w Murphy and I for one would like to win it all while beating them in the process. Go Knights
I wouldn’t say bleak at all. You have a Wal Mart, Lowe’s, any fast food joint you can think of 4 or 5 chain hotels a ford, Chevy and Kia dealership with 4 lanes from one end of the county to the other a hospital shall I continue? Bleak ? Not hardly.
Sounds like he just wants an even and fair playing field. Nothing wrong there
Mitchell county has all that minus the hotels, and its pretty bleak up here. Just saying...
I agree 100 percent, Murphy turned in 470 students below the A and AA cutoff line if they’ve cheated hid students or cooked the books by all means step forward and blow the lid off the whole thing. Tell us how and turn it over to the state. Until then enough!!!!!
I know some take college classes that go tword a future degree not sure if that’s considered EC or not. Like I said I’m not sure how it works. I’m pretty open minded and not to stubborn to learn. If I’ve said something that ruffles anyone’s feathers I apologize.
I guess it's all about perspective. Compared to a lot of small towns, you're right, Murphy is in pretty good shape. Look at Andrews, it was devastated by NAFTA and has never revovered (which can be said for a lot of small towns in this country). When the economic collapse came it didn't even have much of an effect on industry in Andrews, because all the industry had already left a decade prior.
I guess my point was that the casino was a real boon for Murphy, it has ensured a large source of employment for Murphy residents (and county residents) that just weren't going to be had otherwise. That in addition to the tourists that spend money in Murphy because they're visiting or staying at the casino.
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BK, the EC is basically a Charter School. It is its own school with its own campus and draws its campus from a geographical area that has no real border. I saw online where Cherokee County received a 15 million dollar grant (with county matching 5 million of that) to build a new campus specifically for the EC and Oaks Academy. We can gripe about it all we want, but the EC is not Murphy High School's doing and it is NOT comprised of just ex Murphy High School students. This is the day and age that we live in. A majority of NC counties operate like this. Graham is the exception, not the rule. Just get your head out of the past and move on. All those trophies in our trophy case aren't going to win us another one. Complaining that Cherokee County has an EC is not going to help us beat Murphy. You just sound like a broken record who can't come to grips with the fact that change occurs.
The early college existing does result in Murphy High being small 1A instead of big 1A but what? Andrews High and Hiwassee Dam High existing means Cherokee County isnt a one high 2A school. Those two things hold about the same relevance. The early college is part of the reality of education in this day an age and people need to get over it and move on. It sure isn't some conspiracy derived by Murphy High to play small 1A football, just as it isn't for Mitchell, Tarboro, etc. Some of you act like the early college is an extension of Murphy High, it isnt, there is no association there. The only thing they have in common is that they exist within the same county.
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All I said wad I believe a true gauge of a school size is more accurate counting the EC kids from your district than not counting. I see some murphy fans agree some dont.
Look at the example of Robbinsville i gave. Which would represent Robbinsville more.
Im going comment on a post. Nothing you can do or say to stop that 63.
Look at the example of Robbinsville i gave. Which would represent Robbinsville more.
Im going comment on a post. Nothing you can do or say to stop that 63.
All the schools for whatever reason in Cherokee county was down in numbers this year from 2017 . Andrews -19 Hiwassee Dam -7 & Murphy -40 even the Tri-county early college -2. And I'm sure some will say 40 students in one year is alot and to be sure that is the most Ive seen looking at some schools over the last few years Mitchell county drop 19 one year. But personally me if I was some nefarious school administrator trying to cook the books to put my football team from AA to A in order get better odds to win a state championship I wouldn't hide 40 kids and make it look suspicious. Murphy ADM last year was 510 so all you'd have to drop is 11+ kids so to give yourself some wiggle room you might drop 15 to 20 kids which you see in schools all the time. So to me it's just another conspiracy theory that would need some real facts to prove. But if say Mitchell & Murphy win thier games next week to meet in the 3rd round the team that looses won't be because of + or - 20 student difference between the two schools enrollment.
There's no such thing as an even playing field in high school athletics. One school will always have an advantage over another whether it's enrollment, demographics, drawing area or school policy.
We should subdivide into sixteen state champions.
That's just silly. We should divide into 189 state champions. You play the school closest to your adm, and the winner wins state. And boom! No more advantage or excuse.
I hardly ever mention the ec anymore. 1% as much as i use to but someone is alwaying starting pages like this to keep it going. It is an advantage though
Like I said sorry if I ruffled some feathers but I didn’t call out anyone by name. BK you are the main reason i get on these message boards, fans like you makes high school football fun for us has beens. I don’t coach or have a son that plays so this is a great place talk x’s and O’s and vent a little when the time is right. I appreciate the love of the sport and for his team people like BK show , what it’s all about.
Gonna stray away from the topic . Can someone that goes to school at Hiwassee play football at Murphy since it’s not offered at the Dam. Has anyone ever tried. Not trying to stir up anything just curious ? I guess they would be required to transfer to Murphy?
No, they would have to actually go to school at Murphy. There's obviously been kids from HD area that played football at Murphy, some very very good ones in fact, but they all went to school at Murphy.
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Because if you were in 1AA where you guys should be most seasons you wouldn't have near as many state championships. That's how it makes it an uneven playing field. It's funny how Murphy always seems to sneak under that number except last year. Just One Look at the small 1A bracket and you can see why people make fun of it. You know it's bad when it's full of first round byes. Look at some of the other good teams in Western North Carolina and the type of competition they have to play right away. Example like Erwin at 9-1 playing 9-2 team first rd. Pisgah a 1 seed and playing good teams by 2nd rd. Same for ACR. I know it's not Murphy's fault a how bad that bracket is but when you brag every year about how many state championships you have compared to other teams from Western North Carolina don't get mad when people call you out on it.
Now it's been a long time ago and state rules are always changing but used to be if the there were multiple schools in the same county if a school doesn't play a sport then they could go play at one of the other counties schools. Tipton Hill never had a football program and boys there were aloud to go play at Bowman. And in the late 80s when I helped coach football at Bowman middle school Tipton Hill middle boys could play for us. But like I said state rules are always changing.
Come on Magnum, for someone who is supposed more about football than the rest of us, how many titles did Murphy win before they split the divisions? Again you are comparing Apple's to oranges. 1a is not 2, 3 or 4a. Murphy didnt and dont make the rules, they just play by them. Was Cherokee's title devalued as well? How bout Rville or Plymouth? Is it just Murphy or all of 1a that should play in the 3a playoffs? This horse has been beaten so bad the great-grandchildren of it has sores.
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I just looked at the nchsaa rules I didn't see anything that actually covered this. It mentions transferring to other schools etc. It does look like it's easier to transfer from one school to another if thier in the same county plus it looks like might be up to the counties school board. There was a senate bill 649 that would make it definitely yes but I couldn't find whiter it passed or not.
It IS nonsense. The whole damn conversation.
you still don't understand bowhunter, Cherokee, R'ville, and Plymouth are true 1 A schools, Mitchell and murphy are 1 AA schools playing in the 1A bracket
My problem is why is the early college have anything to do with the Adms used to play football. Would not guess at the percentage but pretty sure those kids going to early college have never thrown a football why not take the speculation out of it. If a school has 40 percent boys and 60 percent girls that puts them at a disadvantage in football. My biggest problem is how some schools match up with the first months adm with football and then some schools match up with the last month adm and that is impossible.
Now exactly what is a true 1A school. Mitchell has been 489 for two years and unless some economic boom happens will never be near 500 again. Unless you think you have to be below 400. There is about 39 schools in the state ( well one is 399 that might be to close to 400) that is under 400 and several of them don't have a football program.