Put the numbers to rest , please !!!
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Oh, I get what you are saying rville. I just don't agree with you, just like you don't agree with me. A school, any school should not have to count students who do not attend said school. I understand what you are saying but just disagree. I can promise that as long as you argue for your standpoint, I will mine.
My main thing is folks trying to discredit 1a schools for playing weaker competition when they are playing within the rules that are set forth.
Now I agree that the charters "can" have built advantages, and I know you look at EC the same way. I think there is a big difference. But regardless at this time, we all play by the rules the NCHSAA sets.
I just think this topic has been discussed to the point that no one is willing to give an inch (see my statement above) and it is time to move on. I have ultimate respect for what Rville as well as other schools do with a very limited number to pull from. It is truly amazing what the SMC has accomplished. I hope that one of you all win every year that Mitchell doesn't, which up to this point hasn't happened. So I will bow out of this conversation for this season.
Go Mountaineers
My main thing is folks trying to discredit 1a schools for playing weaker competition when they are playing within the rules that are set forth.
Now I agree that the charters "can" have built advantages, and I know you look at EC the same way. I think there is a big difference. But regardless at this time, we all play by the rules the NCHSAA sets.
I just think this topic has been discussed to the point that no one is willing to give an inch (see my statement above) and it is time to move on. I have ultimate respect for what Rville as well as other schools do with a very limited number to pull from. It is truly amazing what the SMC has accomplished. I hope that one of you all win every year that Mitchell doesn't, which up to this point hasn't happened. So I will bow out of this conversation for this season.
Go Mountaineers
I’ve asked this question before and it fell on deaf ears. What’s Murphy’s record against schools the same size or bigger. You gave some examples of the bigger schools had beat but did you beat em once out of ten.? What’s the break down.
Go to carolinapreps team pages and add it up, all Murphy records are there going back to the 1960, you'll have your answer.
Honestly is can't answer all your questions because what I can find everything depends on the county. As far as I know Mitchell county does not allow students at Mayland Early College to participate Mitchell high school sports so they shouldn't be counted. Tri-county early college in Cherokee has its own nchsaa ADM numbers listed 138 so they weren't counted in none of the 3 Cherokee county high schools ADM. But seems it's up to the county if they can participate because last year Wake county voted to allow EC students to participate in sports in the high school that they would have attended if they hadn't gone to EC plus they voted if another highschool in the county didn't offer a sport then a student could play it at the closes highschool to him or her that did.
If Robbinslle gets a EC and if the county like Wake county seems to have to power to decide if the students can or not participate in sports you'll have two possible answers for question#1 so with that in mine.
(1) if the EC students are allowed to participate then they should be counted in Robbinville's AMD. If they are not then they shouldn't be counted and that case they would be smaller then Cherokee.
(2) If the EC can't participate and they lose 80 students how much it affects them will obviously depends on as far as football goes what percentage are girls and boys then how many of those boys would have played. Most of the kids if not all that my daughters knew at Mayland EC went to there because they had no interest in sports or band. So I doubt it would change the sports programs very much if any.
(3) Again it would all depends on whiter the EC students are allowed to participate in sports at Robbinville. If they can 360 , if they can't 280 or whatever the number drops to.
# 2 is closer to the truth, we all know the kids at the EC or the delinquent schools won't play football anyway. Counting or not counting them at R'ville has no effect on our sports teams, because there is no lower classification we can go to. That can't be said for schools that drop a classification because they choose not to count them. Those schools get an advantage over all the schools in the lower classification by having the non football players go to another school, yet they reap the befits of choosing their team from a greater number of students.
Some say Murphy has a advantage ! Not me !
EC students should not be counted. If any of those students play or wanted to play football they would never leave Murphy in the first place. So does that make Andrews and Hiwassee Dam disadvantaged ? Andrews 209
HD 180 ! If we lose 20 kids to EC are you saying we’re disadvantaged ? No because those 20 probably never played a day of sports in their life and would not help our athletic teams in anyway. If any of those students wanted to play they would not have chosen to go to EC. Not every child in Cherokee County loves sports. To them and their family a education is the most important thing in their life, NOT SPORTS !!
If Murphy wasn’t a Football Power and had 500 students we wouldn’t even be having this same debate every year. It would be the next in line who had 380 and dominating. As a matter of fact back in the 70’s everyone in the area hated Robbinsville. They were the 1A Power House and everyone got sick of them winning every stinking year. Lol Back then only the Conference Champion went to the playoffs, imagine that. How much whining would be going on if we only took one team
How bad has people hated Hayesville or Cherokee basketball over the years ? They have dominated in their respected sport with numbers in the 350 range !
My point is everyone hates the Champions that dominates year in year out whether it be Murphy, Alabama, Golden State, Dale Earnhardt, New England etc. it’s just human nature But you will learn with age that hate isn’t going to make you feel better and it sure isn’t going to change anything. When you finally learn to respect the winner and the hard work they put in you will have peace. One day some other team will have their time of dominance and everyone will hate on them
Just kick back and enjoy watching kids play a game they love. It’s the adults who blow it way out of line. I love all sports and I don’t like to see my team lose at anything. My competitive nature has me screaming every week and that will never change but now that my kids have graduated and moved on I find myself enjoying High School sports more than I ever have before by just watching good athletes from all schools compete
EC students should not be counted. If any of those students play or wanted to play football they would never leave Murphy in the first place. So does that make Andrews and Hiwassee Dam disadvantaged ? Andrews 209
HD 180 ! If we lose 20 kids to EC are you saying we’re disadvantaged ? No because those 20 probably never played a day of sports in their life and would not help our athletic teams in anyway. If any of those students wanted to play they would not have chosen to go to EC. Not every child in Cherokee County loves sports. To them and their family a education is the most important thing in their life, NOT SPORTS !!
If Murphy wasn’t a Football Power and had 500 students we wouldn’t even be having this same debate every year. It would be the next in line who had 380 and dominating. As a matter of fact back in the 70’s everyone in the area hated Robbinsville. They were the 1A Power House and everyone got sick of them winning every stinking year. Lol Back then only the Conference Champion went to the playoffs, imagine that. How much whining would be going on if we only took one team
How bad has people hated Hayesville or Cherokee basketball over the years ? They have dominated in their respected sport with numbers in the 350 range !
My point is everyone hates the Champions that dominates year in year out whether it be Murphy, Alabama, Golden State, Dale Earnhardt, New England etc. it’s just human nature But you will learn with age that hate isn’t going to make you feel better and it sure isn’t going to change anything. When you finally learn to respect the winner and the hard work they put in you will have peace. One day some other team will have their time of dominance and everyone will hate on them
Just kick back and enjoy watching kids play a game they love. It’s the adults who blow it way out of line. I love all sports and I don’t like to see my team lose at anything. My competitive nature has me screaming every week and that will never change but now that my kids have graduated and moved on I find myself enjoying High School sports more than I ever have before by just watching good athletes from all schools compete
I just asked someone with knowledge about Mayland Early College in Mitchell county. Just like the community college it's on campus with it's not just for Mitchell county kids but for Mitchell, Avery and Yancey. In fact it's the only EC in the state that covers three counties. But it is it's our highschool they could have thier own sports if they wanted or was big enough but they can not participate in the other highschools sports. So Mitchell Avery or Yancey does not count them in thier amd.
I'm just glad we got another post to talk about Murphy's numbers.
They are not counted because they are not students at the school. They have no affiliation whatsoever with Mitchell, Avery or Mtn. Heritage. Do you count students that live in your county and go to another school? Since Andrews is in the same county should Murphy count those students? Understand now? How thick are you?
Well as far as I can tell tri- county EC in
I am not sure which school your referring too if it's Mitchell why would we count Mayland EC? They are another highschool who just happen to be in the same county that would be like Murphy counting Andrews or Hiwassee Dam in thier AMD. As far as Tri- county EC nchsaa has thier numbers listed on the AMD sheet so they must be looked at as an individual highschool itself as far as the state is concerned so unless someone here can tell me that Cherokee county voted to let them play sports at one of the other schools then why would Murphy or Andrews count them in thier AMD?
Actually, I'm pretty sure the state made Polk stop counting their ec students. I work at the community college, and you know what? There are a couple boys there that would/could play for heritage, Avery or Mitchell in basketball or football. A couple girls that were very good at basketball before they decided to enroll in the early college. Because school isn't for football, it's for, you know, school.
Don’t mind me!!! I am just here for the stupid comments!!!
Yeah my bad. I was thinking part of the campus was on the Mitchell side since it has a Spruce Pine address. Still point is they are thier own highschool. I was just asking someone who works with you there because I wasn't sure.
Always have? Again if you are referring to Mitchell last years score was Mitchell 45 Robbinsville 25
I know Murphy beat franklin this year ..I think that made them like 3-14 last 17 but most of those have been competitive and several times thats been murphys only loss..murphy has beaten many BIGGER schools and will play anysone anywhere anytime regardless of classification
Yeah, your Panthers had Murphy's number every year from '09 thru '17. Franklin just had more talent from '11 thru '15, but I felt like the last two years of that losing streak it was more mental than anything else.
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Believe it or not Spruce Pine addresses actually extend several miles into Avery County, it switches from Spruce Pine to Newland where Mullin Hill meets 3 mile and where 19E meets 3 mile. Hanging Rock, Brushy Creek, the Bent, Franklintown, Mullin Hill, and 2 or 3 miles of 19 E are all technically Spruce Pine even though they are in Avery County. So I guess theres another advantage we have, we are forcing Avery to count kids that live in one of our towns on their adms, Lol, gotta do what you gotta do to get in the little 1a playoffs.
I assume the people who live on the end of Henson's Creek have a Bakersville zip code because thier in Mitchell county even though it's a dead end road in Avery county but the state never did build the road that would have connected it to the head of Cane Creek.
I'm not sure about their address but I know they used to have an Avery phone number. I would imagine they would have a cranberry address, because it would take the bakersville post office about 2.5 hours to deliver up there.
I've actually got a buddy that lives in the Mitchell County part of Henson Creek and he has a Newland address, but does have to pay his taxes in Mitchell County and has to sign a paper every year for his kid to go to Avery County schools even though there is no state road access to Mitchell county from his house without traveling about 15 minutes through Avery County first.
No I have total respect for what Robbinsville and Cherokee did. They are pretty much playing schools that are there size not much smaller. I can understand why you're defensive about this being a Mitchell fan because everyone knows that you and Murphy have a state championship coming to you handed to you on a platter. You literally have to win one hard game and that is all
A long time ago yes. Why have they not played the better in line 15 years? They never do
So you're saying the teams like Asheville are scared to play Murphy yet they schedule non-conference teams that would be Murphy by 50? I know you did play Franklin but they beat you every year so that's a prime example of what I'm talking about. The only reason I ride Murphy so hard on here is because of how their fans talk about being one of the best in Western North Carolina and almost every year they never play the best teams in Western North Carolina so how do you know? If they stepped up and played better competition every season and beat them then I would be the first to eat crow
People who live on Cane Creek order something to their house used to get a call from the delivery guy trying to find their house and they would be on Henson's Creek because that's where GPS took them. I think GPS showing the road completed finally got taken off. It's really to bad they never did build the road conecticon Cane Creek and Henson's Creek.
I believe you about not being able to get teams to play you. Mitchell doesn't have Murphy's history but because of winning seasons and doing well in the playoffs in recent years has a hard time finding non conference competition. Some reasons other teams already filled or maybe to far but Mitchell has been dropped by teams that we've played for years like North Buncombe because they don't like getting beat by a small school, one 3A coach even said that he wasn't going to chance losing to a 1A school. Plus Murphy also has the problem of being so far away from everyone else schools don't want to travel any farther than they have to.