Ravens lose a tough one…

[the artist FKA zipp]

I’m not an NFL fan so I don’t understand the variety of interpretations of the rule for having two feet inbounds on a catch…

The last TD was ruled a good catch even though the receiver had ONE foot inbounds and landed on his side partially out of bounds before the other foot bounced off the turf. That looked to me like the guy was out before his second foot came down.

Anyone understand how that’s ruled as two feet inbounds?…

 

[Steelers2012_rivals379029]

As I understood the call on the field, if the receiver in the end zone has 2 points of contact (of the same leg) in bounds, it is ruled a catch. In this case, the receiver‘s foot and the “top of his ankle” were in bounds. I was not aware of this arbitrary rule.

 

[KerryRhodes]

The Ravens defense is abysmal.
Thats the 4th, fourth quarter loss for the Ravens when leading by two scores.

Of course Lamar will get all the blame.

 

[glassmanJ]

As I understood the call on the field, if the receiver in the end zone has 2 points of contact (of the same leg) in bounds, it is ruled a catch. In this case, the receiver‘s foot and the “top of his ankle” were in bounds. I was not aware of this arbitrary rule.

the top of the ankle is the foot from my understanding and should not count but the shin does. i was listening on radio and they thought that simply since it was ruled a catch on the field it stood becasue no clear proof. but if calle dno td would have stood also. but shin counts the ankle should not.

 

[glassmanJ]

The Ravens defense is abysmal.
Thats the 4th, fourth quarter loss for the Ravens when leading by two scores.

Of course Lamar will get all the blame.

but many times in the 4th of those games he went 3 and out and instead of leading a drive to seal the game he didn't. in this case hwoever they failed in the first half , just like last week but only getting 3's. and two turnovers on the road, jeepers

 

[KerryRhodes]

but many times in the 4th of those games he went 3 and out and instead of leading a drive to seal the game he didn't. in this case hwoever they failed in the first half , just like last week but only getting 3's. and two turnovers on the road, jeepers

Its still up to the defense to hold.
Lamar gets them up 9, the Jags score the next 10 points.
Lamar leads to a go ahead TD with a 2 point conversion, defense lets them go right down the field with 1:01 left in the game.

 

[CardVille]

I didn't understand it either, sounds like something ACC refs would make up.

 

[TheRealVille]

Everyone knows or maybe now thought, that the difference with the NFL and college football is getting both feet in bounds. Two feet, not one foot twice.

I think the NFL needs to verify this because that catch was a classic college TD catch.

 

[Glenn's Take]

John Madden wrote a book called One Knee Equals 2 Feet. I'm pretty sure they ruled his knee or hip came down in bounds.

 

[beantowncard]

I’m not an NFL fan so I don’t understand the variety of interpretations of the rule for having two feet inbounds on a catch…

The last TD was ruled a good catch even though the receiver had ONE foot inbounds and landed on his side partially out of bounds before the other foot bounced off the turf. That looked to me like the guy was out before his second foot came down.

Anyone understand how that’s ruled as two feet inbounds?…

I do t think anybody knows what a catch is in the NFL.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood_rivals307205]

They call a real conservative game in Balt. They seem to kick a lot of FG in the RZ, I don't have data to back that up, but I see a lot of Gus Edwards getting stopped on 2nd and short.

I really don't know enough about all this but it feels like Lamar is going to be changing addresses. Another franchise is going to throw a ton of $ his way those starting QBs in this league are just not that great.

 

[nccardfan]

The Ravens defense is abysmal.
Thats the 4th, fourth quarter loss for the Ravens when leading by two scores.

Of course Lamar will get all the blame.

4 drives that led to FG's instead of TD's. Lamar will tell you himself that's not getting it done...

 

[nccardfan]

They call a real conservative game in Balt. They seem to kick a lot of FG in the RZ, I don't have data to back that up, but I see a lot of Gus Edwards getting stopped on 2nd and short.

I really don't know enough about all this but it feels like Lamar is going to be changing addresses. Another franchise is going to throw a ton of $ his way those starting QBs in this league are just not that great.

I don't see him leaving. Harbaugh is the guy who's letting Lamar do what he does. Practically lets him go on 4th down whenever he wants. He fumbles way too much. Other coaches are not going to let their franchise QB run as much as he does.

 

[TheRealVille]

In my opinion Lamar has to leave Baltimore if he's going to win a super bowl and continue to improve as a NFL QB.

They just can't or won't get him the receivers he needs. Mark Andrews is a great TE but he's not a great receiver. Give Lamar someone like Jamar Chase or Justin Jefferson and watch Lamar thrive.

They had to go and get the old man DeSean Jackson halfway through this season and he's the Ravens top threat, other than Andrews.

Personally, I would love to see Lamar at Indianapolis or Atlanta. Just no New England, Pittsburgh or West coast team.

 

[2330859]

Just look at Lamar's contribution in terms of what he means to the offensive side of the football. The Raven's defense is pedestrian at best and no one in Baltimore is blaming Lamar for these close losses.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood_rivals307205]

No clue what team will be shopping for a QB, but would love to see Lamar head to the NYJ they are turning the corner as a franchise right now they have some pieces.

 

[the artist FKA zipp]

In my opinion Lamar has to leave Baltimore if he's going to win a super bowl and continue to improve as a NFL QB.

They just can't or won't get him the receivers he needs. Mark Andrews is a great TE but he's not a great receiver. Give Lamar someone like Jamar Chase or Justin Jefferson and watch Lamar thrive.

They had to go and get the old man DeSean Jackson halfway through this season and he's the Ravens top threat, other than Andrews.

Personally, I would love to see Lamar at Indianapolis or Atlanta. Just no New England, Pittsburgh or West coast team.

That franchise, coach, and community are totally committed to Lamar. I'd hate to see him go somewhere else...

 

[nccardfan]

Just looking from another POV, what if Lamar had actually negotiated a new contract and the Ravens knew exactly how much they can afford to pay both Lamar and a top WR or two. Maybe he's hamstringing the organization on who they can go out and get??? Maybe a washed up DeSean Jackson and hope that works.I fully understand that Lamar needs to be paid but you can't give him Mahommes money if he hasn't won anything but individual awards.

 

[TheRealVille]

He hasn't had a top level receiver his entire Ravens career. It has nothing to do with Lamar's contract. It's all about the offensive philosophy that top receivers are not fond of.

The Ravens are trying to find a elite WR through the draft but so far they haven't panned out.

Lamar doesn't want to be a running QB and as he gets order It's clear to me that he's not as fast and elusive as he was as a rookie. It's my opinion the contract talks are more about the offense than the money. If Lamar feels It's going to be more of the same with the offense, he's going to look around.

But hey, I could be wrong.

 

[nccardfan]

He hasn't had a top level receiver his entire Ravens career. It has nothing to do with Lamar's contract. It's all about the offensive philosophy that top receivers are not fond of.

The Ravens are trying to find a elite WR through the draft but so far they haven't panned out.

Lamar doesn't want to be a running QB and as he gets order It's clear to me that he's not as fast and elusive as he was as a rookie. It's my opinion the contract talks are more about the offense than the money. If Lamar feels It's going to be more of the same with the offense, he's going to look around.

But hey, I could be wrong.

I would say that Hollywood Brown was more than a serviceable receiver and although he's a TE, Andrews has led the Ravens in receptions for 3 out of 4 years he's been with Lamar.

 

[TheRealVille]

I would say that Hollywood Brown was more than a serviceable receiver and although he's a TE, Andrews has led the Ravens in receptions for 3 out of 4 years he's been with Lamar.

Brown is still "potential " elite but he's been the best WR Lamar has had in Baltimore.

As for Andrews, he's a great TE but he's not a elite receiver. Lamar goes to him way too much because of the lack of a top level WR. He's got great hands but there's limits on TE's.

It's easy to double team a TE and even easier when there's no elite WR. The Ravens will always be limited offensively if their leading pass catcher is a TE.

 

[nccardfan]

Brown is still "potential " elite but he's been the best WR Lamar has had in Baltimore.

As for Andrews, he's a great TE but he's not a elite receiver. Lamar goes to him way too much because of the lack of a top level WR. He's got great hands but there's limits on TE's.

It's easy to double team a TE and even easier when there's no elite WR. The Ravens will always be limited offensively if their leading pass catcher is a TE.

Tell that to Mahommes and Kelce.

 

[TheRealVille]

Tell that to Mahommes and Kelce.

Mahomes had Tyreke Hill. Lamar has never had a WR that good.

 

[nccardfan]

Mahomes had Tyreke Hill. Lamar has never had a WR that good.

The key word is had...

 

[TheRealVille]

The key word is had...

When the Chiefs won the super bowl Mahomes had a top receiver. Again, something Lamar has never had.

 

[nccardfan]

When the Chiefs won the super bowl Mahomes had a top receiver. Again, something Lamar has never had.

Definitely understand what you're saying. I also wish that he had a top WR but Baltimore's game is based on the run game. Top WR's know that. They want to be more than just a threat, they want receptions. I don't know that Lamar will stop running just because he has a great WR. For the Ravens to be successful with the offense they're running, they need both Dobbins and Edwards to be completely healthy.

 

[TheRealVille]

Definitely understand what you're saying. I also wish that he had a top WR but Baltimore's game is based on the run game. Top WR's know that. They want to be more than just a threat, they want receptions. I don't know that Lamar will stop running just because he has a great WR. For the Ravens to be successful with the offense they're running, they need both Dobbins and Edwards to be completely healthy.

I agree but I think Lamar may want to run a different offense, less reliant on him running the ball. He knows to have a long career he's got to take fewer hits. If he really wants to prove he can dominate passing the ball, he's got to get out of Baltimore.

I could be wrong. It may just be wishful thinking on my part. I think he needs to move on from Harbaugh.