I have been impressed with Brohm and what he has done. But I hear this and I wonder if it's true, one, he hates UK, and two, ul is his dream job. If either of these are true I'm not sure he would be the man for the job especially if he left us for ul.
Realistic Look at Coaching Options
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I have been impressed with Brohm and what he has done. But I hear this and I wonder if it's true, one, he hates UK, and two, ul is his dream job. If either of these are true I'm not sure he would be the man for the job especially if he left us for ul.
I could support Petrino. I can't support a guy who helped his players cover up sexual assault.
The administration needs to be fired for giving Stoops the extension, promoting Joker to CIW, hiring Clyde and denying Rich Brooks the FB upgrades they have now given Stoops. Barney's job will on the line with the next hire.
If there's enough pressure, he may cave and do what needs to be done. Not unlike what he did when he hired Calipari as his butt would have already been gone had to went the "good guy" route and hired Crean, Jr.
Fire the administration, now that's funny. You're looking at this as a football fan. The Administration is concerned with running a major state research University. Sports, all sports, even basketball (*gasp*) are minor affairs to the administration. They could drop all sports, and it wouldn't really affect their outlook on their job very much at all.
No chance as long as Cal remains coach at UK. When Cal leaves, Barnhart will "retire" (in other words, he won't be given another chance to eff up a basketball hire).
I do not think so. Fans will get behind a coach if he comes in a says the right things. We all know it will take a few years to get the players into a new coaches schemes. The players we have may not fit a new offense or defense so a recruiting cycle needs to occur.
But rest assured, the fans will turn out for new coach. We are the eternal optimists (until kickoff).
Then maybe the administration should take it's nose out of sports? I mean, they are running a major state research University? Why meddle in something they know nothing about?
Let Barney do what needs to be done to win. Or better yet, maybe the AD should stop subsidizing science buildings and giving millions each year to the University since they could drop all sports and it wouldn't affect their outlook on their job?
FYI - by administration, I was referring to the athletic dept. But if the eggheads are interfering with the AD and their ability to hire winning coaches, then they should be questioned.
What makes anyone think that Briles can succeed at UK. He is a Texan thru and thru. He needs Texas style athletes to make his program succeed. What evidence is there that he could recruit TX if he were at UK. Running his type of offense with what we now have at UK would be like trying to win the Kentucky Derby on a donkey. Need somebody with strong ties to FL.
If you spend $150 million+ on facility upgrades to entered the discussion of the best facilities in America, play in the best conference in America and that is the list that is "realistic that we can get".......
Sounds like the REAL issue to the sales man (Barnhart)
Until he is replaced with someone who can strategically sell the program as a winner to a well known, ALREADY SUCCESSFUL HEAD COACH we are going to be what we are....
Sounds like the REAL issue to the sales man (Barnhart)
Until he is replaced with someone who can strategically sell the program as a winner to a well known, ALREADY SUCCESSFUL HEAD COACH we are going to be what we are....
Because his recruiting hasn't been historically better than UK's; as a matter of fact they have been a little bit worse. Yet, he is still winning big time against teams who have more talent. That what it takes at UK.
Hire Briles, surround him with some recruiters to keep UK on the right path with Jimmy and Joes and then win. If FL needs to be hit, then get some assistants with deep roots in FL. I am sure FL athletes would love to play in his schemes.
What is the evidence that he can't recruit Texas at UK? It's not like he's going to lose all his Texas connections by coaching at UK. I don't buy this argument at all.
There are others who are older but I've been waiting since the mid sixties, the optimism is not as eternal anymore.
Same. Most of those on your "realistic" list are guys I would take a wait and see approach with.
I hope you are correct - but only if Neal has a really good this year at Troy - which he seems to off to a good start by the way! If Neal's team wins 10 games or more this year - to me it is a no brainer. Seemingly his only weakness is the lack of time as a head coach. He has been a good recruiter, has been an excellent OC at three stops, he is from Kentucky, he understands about recruiting and the program from being involved. If your not going to hire a big name - Neal is as good of a choice as any of those. I really believe Neal actually does bleed blue by some of his comments in the past. I think this is his "dream job".
Go Big Blue!
Jeff Brohm has yet to coach his recruits. I pointed this out in another thread. WKU's two deep roster includes only 2 players he recruited and they are both on the second unit. Maybe it means nothing, but it might mean more than you think. This years seniors, and red shirt Juniors were recruited by Willie Taggart. The the true juniors were recruited by Petrino - just something to think about.
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The AD isn't "subsidizing science buildings and giving millions to the University". The athletics budget is completely self-contained. They don't get anything from the rest the budget, and don't kick back, either. The entire athletics budget - football, basketball, and everything else - is a mere 5.8% of UK's 3.5 billion dollar budget. A drop in the bucket. A decent-sized drop, but a drop all the same, and one they can discard with no impact whatsoever on the rest of the system.
http://www.uky.edu/ubo/sites/www.uk...ents/2016-17_Operating_and_Capital_Budget.pdf
Letting the Athletics dept make decisions about whether or not to risk legal issues (aka BP) or risk negative publicity and possible NCAA issues (Briles, or any of the coaches favored by the "we don't care if we cheat and even got caught as long as we win crowd") over the wishes of the University BOT and Adminstration is the tail wagging the dog.
UK athletics had to agree to "donate" $65 million for the new science building in order for them to get the bonding for the stadium renovations.
Can't the same be said for Neal Brown (note: I'm not pro or con for either of those guys)?
For sure, but I'm not ready to hire Neil Brown yet. If Mitch's plan is to go Neal I'd rather let Stoops coach another year and keep Stoops if we get better, if not then go for Neal.
Yet if the coach can take recruits from 3 different coaches Taggart, Petrino and his own and make them competitive, that says a whole lot. You have coaches with different philosophies, recruiting different types of players and if they are successful under a coach, I hear volumes. And also Brohm did recruit the players while under Petrino at WKU. It is not like he was foreign to them, especially the offensive players.
But, but, but, the athletic department does nothing for the University and if UK were to hire a guy like Petrino or Briles, it's the tail wagging the dog...LOL.
Yes DA. However, Neal's first class at Troy was rated the second best in his conference - which is a pretty good statement about his recruiting. 6 of his true freshmen are playing in the two deep and 3 others are on the special teams. He also redshirted a lot of players last year that are starting this year.As I understand it, he also had a hand in several players perceived to be the key to recruiting at UK when he was here. I think he had a lot to do with getting Drew Barker. Drew was Steve Spurrier's qb choice and he thought he had him until UK stole him the first year of Stoops tenure. I am still hopeful that Stoops can get it done here - but it doesn't look good at this point. Again Neal will have to have a really good year this year for UK to consider him IMO. 7 wins would have to be considered a good year, but that may not be enough for UK.
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You should start one tomorrow. See how much mileage the subject can get 3 days in a row. [laughing]
Leon, that is a good point. I like Brohm too. But if Neal were to have the big year I mentioned. I like a UK guy over a Louisville guy. My reason is that a UK guy would probably not be as ansxious to leave if he did succeed. I will say two things about this. UK recovered after one coaching era issue by going after a UK guy - Jerry Claiborne. UK could be looking at a much different picture if UK had gone after another UK guy when it had the chance the coach was still in his prime - Howard Schnellenberger. Howard wanted to come "home" but our Basketball AD was afraid of what he might do here. I would just like to have a qualified UK guy. I was hoping Joker would succeed as well. But the writing was on the wall at the end of the first season and I said so then! I was also on the side of hiring Joker. So, I understand if a guy isn't getting it done - and it is obvious - then move on! A coach either has it or he doesn't - Joker didn't have it - I am now 95% sure Stoops doesn't have it either.
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Maybe but UK has never had such a good chance to land a top notch proven HC since Petrino was at WKU.
I've posted this ONE other time in one of the many coaching candidate threads:
The NDSU coach I would like was their previous coach: Craig Bohl
Won three straight national championships and left for Wyoming three years ago.
He was DC at Nebraska for three years before leaving for the HC position at NDSU.
He's 58 (seven months older than Coach Cal). (Petrino is 53. Saban is 64.)
A friend and gambling buddy of mine is an NDSU alum. He's a booster. His son is a walk-on freshman.
He says Bohl would leave Wyoming for Kentucky.
Here's how I seeing this play out.
LSU fires Miles. They hire Petrino.
Louisville hires Brohm.
Auburn fires Gus and hires Briles.
There goes two candidates off the board.
I would take any of Kiffin, Fleck or Brown as far as giving them a promotion/better job.
A couple of things could happen to change all that though.
IF Texas fires Charlie Strong, I'd love for him to come here. He's got deep ties to Florida and knows the state well. He's a great defensive mind and also shown that he's willing to go with uptempo offense like he is now at Texas.
IF we decide to keep Stoops (which I don't think we should), he needs to hire Derek Mason as his DC. Very good defensive mind and runs a 3-4 with much less talent and stops the majority of the teams he plays. He'd be another coach with head coaching experience so he could help Stoops out in some instances.
LSU fires Miles. They hire Petrino.
Louisville hires Brohm.
Auburn fires Gus and hires Briles.
There goes two candidates off the board.
I would take any of Kiffin, Fleck or Brown as far as giving them a promotion/better job.
A couple of things could happen to change all that though.
IF Texas fires Charlie Strong, I'd love for him to come here. He's got deep ties to Florida and knows the state well. He's a great defensive mind and also shown that he's willing to go with uptempo offense like he is now at Texas.
IF we decide to keep Stoops (which I don't think we should), he needs to hire Derek Mason as his DC. Very good defensive mind and runs a 3-4 with much less talent and stops the majority of the teams he plays. He'd be another coach with head coaching experience so he could help Stoops out in some instances.
Agree with a lot of those scenarios.
But Mason will have much better options than UK.
Guy is a big time DC and will be coveted by plenty of power programs.
I don't think Bobby is going anywhere before Lamar leaves. You just don't leave when you have a QB that special.
Realistically, Willie Taggart. WKU would be what it is now without him jump starting them.
Kentucky and Florida roots, early 40's, worked with Harbaugh at Stanford, coached a Doak Walker winner, UK would be a reasonable step up into the SEC. Maybe an economical hire after a buyout.
South Florida plays FSU this weekend.
Some these like Venables makes $1.3 million as year as an OC.
He's likely more valuable than Dabo.
You list some good names; however, I disagree with your original premise. Miles, Brohm, Herrman, and Tressel may or may not be realistic, but we will never know if the AD doesn't do his job and make inquiries. We may very well have to go with a small (FCS) school or MAC/Sunbelt FBS HC with a good record of talent development & wins, but I expect AD to cast a wide net behind the scenes and see if some of the big name, out-of-work HC's would be interested in taking the Stoops talent and molding it into a competitive SEC team. We certainly will not know if we do not try. I am not willing to entertain "nobody wants to coach at UK.....Bill Parcells was 'this close'.... " narratives. Somewhere in the spectrum from big name/big record HC-to-small school up-&-coming HC is a guy who can succeed at UK. It is AD's job to find the best candidate.
I would add some FCS HC's from schools like NDSU, Eastern Washington, Montana, Jacksonville St U, JMU, No Iowa, Richmond, Chattanooga, etc to your list. Some of those schools have 18-20+K students. Not really "small time" at all.
If we did go the small school route, I would prefer a very successful FCS coach to a moderately successful FBS midmajor coach.