Why would you want someone who is not a HC? I believe we've been there before, and it hasn't worked out according to most OP's.
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Why would you want someone who is not a HC? I believe we've been there before, and it hasn't worked out according to most OP's.
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I don't think he's going anywhere until he retires. Why would he? I know we love to point out how small time Louisville is, and although that was true forever, it no longer is. Yeah, he was desperate to leave the Cards before, but that's when they were CUSA and then Big East. He wanted to be in the SEC or the NFL. Now, because of the way he left Atlanta, the NFL is a closed door. And why go to the SEC to get your brains kicked in weekly (and even that phrase smells a little dated) when you can stay in the ACC and have 2 really good teams on your schedule and the rest is manageable. Point: it's easier to win in the ACC, he'll make just as much money as he would elsewhere. So why leave? He's there for good IMO....
If we couldn't get someone to leave Wyoming for Kentucky we should just shut down the program. I'm in Colorado about an hour from Cheyenne and it's just miserable there and Laramie isn't much better.
But I've kind of been a Bohl fan for several years and it's interesting to watch him attempt to build something in the college athletic wasteland he's in now.
Except at LSU he can get that special Qb much easier. And have tremendous talent around the QB.
Your personal beliefs in themselves are not a reason to not have Briles on this type of a list. He is a successfully proven coaching candidate and he is available for consideration.
Just to comment on the discussion about Sneaky P and whether or not he'll retire at UL.
Was listening to Colin Cowherd the other day and though I know he is not popular on here, he does have some very well informed and interesting takes on a number of things.
Bobby P and "morals" came up and he popped off with a few things, but one of them was the fact that he was fairly confident thanks to some pretty reliable sources that Bobby P's window or opportunity has not closed in the NFL or in the top tier circles of college.
People think that he's burnt too many bridges, Colin says his coaching prowess is widely respected and sought after.
He said atlanta isn't a solid reason to question because P went there to coach Vick, and Vick ended up in jail and P was left with Joey Harrington at QB. Arkansas called and demanded an answer immediately or they were going with Kiffin who wanted out of Oakland.
Was listening to Colin Cowherd the other day and though I know he is not popular on here, he does have some very well informed and interesting takes on a number of things.
Bobby P and "morals" came up and he popped off with a few things, but one of them was the fact that he was fairly confident thanks to some pretty reliable sources that Bobby P's window or opportunity has not closed in the NFL or in the top tier circles of college.
People think that he's burnt too many bridges, Colin says his coaching prowess is widely respected and sought after.
He said atlanta isn't a solid reason to question because P went there to coach Vick, and Vick ended up in jail and P was left with Joey Harrington at QB. Arkansas called and demanded an answer immediately or they were going with Kiffin who wanted out of Oakland.
Leach was 'accused' of locking a kid in a closet.
And you just dismissed Tressel without making an argument.
Not impressed.
Not here to impress you big guy.
It's common knowledge he locked the kid in a dark closet for not practicing with a concussion. I said Tressel is not coming back to college football because he is now the President at Youngstown State. Not to mention we shy away from coaches with any kind of scandal attached to him...he was forced out at OSU.
Generally, I agree with this mindset. Don't settle. Don't go along with "knowing your place". It's one reason I really didn't care for Joker, and then why Stoops made such a big immediate impression: one of them was content to recruit against Toledo and Western Michigan, because it's our right place on the totem pole, and the other wasn't content with that. So, yeah.
But there's a downside. Identifying a candidate, getting the interview, extending an offer - all of that doesn't happen leisurely. There's some chaos. It's very likely you're doing that at the same time as several other schools, so you have to be cognizant of the competition, of who else is talking to the guy you might want. The point is this: if you take the time to talk to Herrman and Miles, etc., two things could result: one, the guy you might have gotten has been talking to other schools and by the time Herrman says no, that guy is gone. two, coaches have big egos. Coach X might well have come to UK if you told him you loved him like no other - but when he finds out he's the 4th guy you made an offer to, maybe that doesn't sit well with him. Either way, when the Herald runs a story talking to Coach X now at Kansas State and he says he would have come to UK but for x, y and z, then the fan base is furious at the AD for "wasting time talking to people who weren't going to come anyway." Why the heck was he talking to Herrman, everyone knows Herrman wasn't coming to UK no matter what, this guy is an idiot.
Agree with your larger point. And yes, AD's get paid big dollars to deal with this very thing, so no sympathy there. Just pointing out some difficulties......
Any defensive coordinator is out for me.
It seems like previous offensive coordinators make better head coaches.
It seems like previous offensive coordinators make better head coaches.
Pretty sure the closet story was made up by the James kid and has been disproven..Wish i could find the article but I am almost 100% sure that is correct.Not here to impress you big guy.
I said Tressel is not coming back to college football because he is now the President at Youngstown State. Not to mention we shy away from coaches with any kind of scandal attached to him...he was forced out at OSU.
After Bridgewater and Lamar Jackson he will never have to worry about quarterback again. They will be lining up to play for him , no matter where he coaches.
We are Kentucky. We arnt hiring any of those people. Many years ago UK made the decision we would be the laughing stock of college football and it worked. The administration loves it there are still folks that actually believe we are serious. We are sort of like pro wrestling of the football world. Barny loves that crowd because they do believe
I'm well aware of Tressel's departure and the circumstances surrounding it. That's irrelevant to whether or not he's a realistic choice. He can leave his current job, most people do when they get a new job. Or have you worked at the exact same job since you got your GED?Not here to impress you big guy.
I said Tressel is not coming back to college football because he is now the President at Youngstown State. Not to mention we shy away from coaches with any kind of scandal attached to him...he was forced out at OSU.
Whoa whoa tough guy settle down. UK grad here. Tressel has distanced himself from the sport entirely. He is not interested in coming back to football. Not to mention he still has NCAA issues until December, 2016. Have a great day though!
Hey thanks, due to the length I think you'll probably regret saying that, but I hear ya. I like Fleck, Schiano, and Wells quite a bit. How about you make a list?
Gosh, I didn't know you and he were friends. How do you know he's not interested in coming back to football?
Isn't December 2016 THIS YEAR? Oh yes, it is. Which means he'd be eligible to coach next season.
Huh. So it's NOT unrealistic. Thanks for the help on that.
Are you friends with him? All my friends are Ohio State fans and they say he's not coming back to football. What are your friends saying? I understand December, 2016 is this year. Mitch is not going to make a run. Have a great day tough guy!
The only reason I didn't include him on the list was his new contact extension, however I just read he interviewed for South Carolina last year (Greg Schiano did as well). I also read that he wasn't happy about the move from the Big East to the AAC. He re upped for five years, I wonder what kind of stipulations it has. I think he would be a heck of a hire!
There is a guy who sits literally 30 feet from me who is from Jersey and a huge Rutgers fan and former booster. They literally hate Schiano and multiple, multiple former players can't stand him (same as Tampa Bay, seems like a trend)
As far as his coaching, the guy said he is a decent recruiter but gives no care about offense or being explosive.
Not a combination we need here.
And we certainly do not need any coaches from MAC level schools. That is a disaster in the making. Too much risk in bringing in a northern mid major coach who has no idea how to win in the SEC.
The list should involve two people:
Jeff Brohm
Neal Brown
end of story
As far as his coaching, the guy said he is a decent recruiter but gives no care about offense or being explosive.
Not a combination we need here.
And we certainly do not need any coaches from MAC level schools. That is a disaster in the making. Too much risk in bringing in a northern mid major coach who has no idea how to win in the SEC.
The list should involve two people:
Jeff Brohm
Neal Brown
end of story
Not here to impress you big guy.
I said Tressel is not coming back to college football because he is now the President at Youngstown State. Not to mention we shy away from coaches with any kind of scandal attached to him...he was forced out at OSU.
I like your original post. I like this thread.
But you're wrong about the details of these Leach and Tressel incidences.
I know he has a rep, don't get me wrong. I think learning under Urban Meyer will show him the value of having a great offense. Not to mention UK has been able to get good Offensive coorodinator options.
Paul Brown, Woody Hayes, Bo Schembechler, Jim Tressel, John Harbaugh, and Sean Payton all came from the MAC....in fact that is just Miami University. Urban Meyer came from Bowling Green, Nick Saban coached at Toledo, Brady Hoke coached at Ball State, Al Golden coached at Temple, Brian Kelly coached at Central Michigan, and Butch Jones also coached at Central Michigan. That is not a bad list in my opinion.
Urban Meyer was at Utah before Florida
Nick Saban was at Michigan State before LSU
Brian Kelly was at Cincy before Notre Dame
Butch Jones was at Cincy before Tennesse
All four of these outstanding coaches were head coaches in Power 5 conferences before they rec'd their big head coaching opportunities.
Quite the difference from saying they came from the MAC as a general statement.
I see what you're saying, but whose to say they couldn't have made that jump?
If Mitch isn't going to make a run, doesn't that invalidate your entire thread?Are you friends with him? All my friends are Ohio State fans and they say he's not coming back to football. What are your friends saying? I understand December, 2016 is this year. Mitch is not going to make a run. Have a great day tough guy!
I like both Brohm and Brown. But, if you are disqualifying MAC coaches, you might as well disqualify Sun Belt and C-USA coaches as well. What's the difference?
1st - you have to understand that we likely won't be looking for a coach in 2016-2017. We would be looking for a coach in 2017-2018. So, that means that guys like Neal Brown certainly could be in play after he coaches 3 yrs.
2nd - this roster is decent. We currently have a 6-8 win roster for this yr and it likely will be even better next yr. This means that you should favor a HC candidate who has experience. It would be ideal to have a coach come in a win right away......get fans, recruits, media, etc, all on board fast. It will be a risk to bring in a rookie HC who has to learn on the job.......b/c they might not be able to capitalize on the roster handed to them.
It is a pro-style or spread offense type roster......and a 3-4 hybrid defense type roster. The "fit" is very important. Paul Johnson (only using him as an example) is a great coach at Georgia Tech, but he'd be a poor choice to capitalize on the roster quickly. This roster is not built for the triple option right now. Hiring Les Miles (once again, only an example) would be a poor hire for immediate roster fit.
3rd - Recruiting base. News flash, it's harder to recruit to Kentucky than other places. Matt Wells is doing well at Utah St, but he has very little recruiting experience in the Kentucky area. Could he do a great job? Sure, but is it reasonable to expect someone like Jeremy Pruitt (who has never been anywhere else except the South) to recruit the area better than Wells? That's a logical assumption.....it's not 100%, but it's a logical assumption. Now, think of Scott Satterfield.......is it reasonable to assume that he can recruit high level D1 players better than Drevno? Stoops has laid out a blueprint on how to recruit to Kentucky.....is there a candidate that can continue the Ohio pipeline?
Sooo, the perfect candidate would be a guy with proven HC experience.......he'd be a spread or pro-style guy who runs a hybrid defense......he'd be an ace recruiter who can recruit the Midwest and the South.
I like the idea of Fleck, Holliday, and possibly Brown. Also keep an eye on John Bonamego from Central Michigan.
2nd - this roster is decent. We currently have a 6-8 win roster for this yr and it likely will be even better next yr. This means that you should favor a HC candidate who has experience. It would be ideal to have a coach come in a win right away......get fans, recruits, media, etc, all on board fast. It will be a risk to bring in a rookie HC who has to learn on the job.......b/c they might not be able to capitalize on the roster handed to them.
It is a pro-style or spread offense type roster......and a 3-4 hybrid defense type roster. The "fit" is very important. Paul Johnson (only using him as an example) is a great coach at Georgia Tech, but he'd be a poor choice to capitalize on the roster quickly. This roster is not built for the triple option right now. Hiring Les Miles (once again, only an example) would be a poor hire for immediate roster fit.
3rd - Recruiting base. News flash, it's harder to recruit to Kentucky than other places. Matt Wells is doing well at Utah St, but he has very little recruiting experience in the Kentucky area. Could he do a great job? Sure, but is it reasonable to expect someone like Jeremy Pruitt (who has never been anywhere else except the South) to recruit the area better than Wells? That's a logical assumption.....it's not 100%, but it's a logical assumption. Now, think of Scott Satterfield.......is it reasonable to assume that he can recruit high level D1 players better than Drevno? Stoops has laid out a blueprint on how to recruit to Kentucky.....is there a candidate that can continue the Ohio pipeline?
Sooo, the perfect candidate would be a guy with proven HC experience.......he'd be a spread or pro-style guy who runs a hybrid defense......he'd be an ace recruiter who can recruit the Midwest and the South.
I like the idea of Fleck, Holliday, and possibly Brown. Also keep an eye on John Bonamego from Central Michigan.
you have to make a public overture for Brohm, whether he takes it or not doesn't matter have to make the attempt. From there Schiano and Fleck are 1 and 1A. Schiano coached the db's on the 94-95 undefeated Penn St. team he was the DC for Miami for 2 seasons at their peak in 99 and 00. He then took Rutgers a perennial doormat and made them a legit top 25 team. Fleck is off the Schiano tree actually. Was such a great coach he was hired as the Bucs head coach in the NFL and lost the job for the same reason and great college guys before him, Spurrier, Saban, etc... he's a college guy he needs control over his players which he doesn't have in the NFL. Now he's at OSU I mean, if he'd consider we have to look at him too.