He is my guy! It especially helps that he has head coaching experience, ties to Ohio, and has done more with less.
Realistic Look at Coaching Options
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Really enjoyed reading you post. I'm with you on Neal Brown being an option if we don't hire a coach this year. I like Fleck a lot and I think Greg Schiano would be a great hire as well. Him being at Ohio State currently should help with Ohio ties as well.
We've been unable to read the potential ability of assistant coaches in stepping up to become head coaches. Joker was a decent OC and I don't believe there's any question CMS was one of the top DC's in the country. We just seems to swing and miss. Of course that goes both ways for us. We also had on one staff Don Shula, Bill Arnsparger, Chuck Knox, and Howard Schnellenberger and I believe they chose John Ray.
Barnhart might need to follow George Costanza's plan and start doing the exact opposite of what he thinks he should do.
Barnhart might need to follow George Costanza's plan and start doing the exact opposite of what he thinks he should do.
Another thing to consider are the possible connections that candidates may have:
-Doc Holliday - attended WVU, was a GA at WVU, was a coach for WVU for over 20 yrs....now at Marshall. So, consider what his possible staff would look like. Although his career is ~30 yrs long, it's very focused. Basically, Holliday "just don't get out much." So, it's very likely that his staff is going to be very closely related to his time in the state of West Virginia. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Could be either......but certainly you must consider what it may mean.
-Scott Satterfield - has a very narrow connection base. He's been a coach for 15 yrs, but its very specialized to App St with a splash of Toledo. So, imagine his staff. How many connections does he have to staff who have coached against Big 4 conference teams on a regular basis? How many connections does he have to a staff who have recruited for Big 4 teams? Let's say he has to replace a staff member after a few yrs......how easily can he fill the void with an ace member?
-PJ Fleck - Not counting his yr as a GA, his career is only 6 yrs old. How many connections can he have?
-Tim Drevno - Has followed Harbaugh around everywhere......from Stanford, 49ers, and UM. He likely has access to a nice list of staff members.
-Greg Schiano - Has been numerous places. NFL, college, Pennsylvannia, Chicago, Miami, Ohio, Jersey. And with a career of almost 3 decades, his connection base is probably great.
Does this all make or break a candidate? Certainly not, but it's an angle that must be considered.
-Doc Holliday - attended WVU, was a GA at WVU, was a coach for WVU for over 20 yrs....now at Marshall. So, consider what his possible staff would look like. Although his career is ~30 yrs long, it's very focused. Basically, Holliday "just don't get out much." So, it's very likely that his staff is going to be very closely related to his time in the state of West Virginia. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Could be either......but certainly you must consider what it may mean.
-Scott Satterfield - has a very narrow connection base. He's been a coach for 15 yrs, but its very specialized to App St with a splash of Toledo. So, imagine his staff. How many connections does he have to staff who have coached against Big 4 conference teams on a regular basis? How many connections does he have to a staff who have recruited for Big 4 teams? Let's say he has to replace a staff member after a few yrs......how easily can he fill the void with an ace member?
-PJ Fleck - Not counting his yr as a GA, his career is only 6 yrs old. How many connections can he have?
-Tim Drevno - Has followed Harbaugh around everywhere......from Stanford, 49ers, and UM. He likely has access to a nice list of staff members.
-Greg Schiano - Has been numerous places. NFL, college, Pennsylvannia, Chicago, Miami, Ohio, Jersey. And with a career of almost 3 decades, his connection base is probably great.
Does this all make or break a candidate? Certainly not, but it's an angle that must be considered.
I like Schiano and think he would be a stellar hire. Here's the rub though......what is his ceiling? If you are looking to hire a guy who can blow up and win double digits, I don't think he's that guy. I do think he'd be a fantastic safe pick who can bring stability to a program that is sorely in need of it. I think he would win 6-9 wins/yr consistently depending on the roster personnel......and may occasionally get 10 wins if the stars align just right. A guy like Fleck may have a higher ceiling......but with more risk. Also, a guy like Fleck is more likely to bolt for a greater job opportunity when able.
There is something appealing about a HC bringing stability to a program. Let's take Vandy. To most of America, Vandy is terrible program who happened to strike it rich for 2 yrs under Franklin.......then went back to crap. Unfortunately these same people view UK in the same light. Now, if a coach would come in and average 8 wins/yr for a decade, that same group wouldn't view UK the same way that they used to. UK would then be a program that tends to be fairly decent the vast majority of the time.
You're describing South Carolina. They are arguably the closest to UK for the history of their football programs. Before Spurrier they were good for an occasional 6-7 win season and a few bowl games. Their bowl record is 8-12 to 8-6 for UK. Before the Old Ball Coach they were nearly equal in all time records and the advantage they have now is all Spurrier changing the program.
We need someone that can compete in this league nearly as well as he was able to there. And while this is UK and our history is such to cause young coaches to be hesitant to gamble their futures on changing culture here I think a coach needs to want this to be a legacy job, not a stepping stone.
I'd love to see a Brohm or Brown come here and be successful as they would likely stick around to see it through. But it would seem someone established and older but not retirement age would be a better choice.
I'm not suggesting any of these choices. That's up for debate when the time comes. Coaches such as Schiano, Leach, Rodriguez, or Tubberville who have had coaching success and think they are the coach that can be the savior of this program and retire King of The Bluegrass might be what's needed. They would all have coaching connections around the country and have the new facilities to aid in recruitment as well.
Just my opinion
We need someone that can compete in this league nearly as well as he was able to there. And while this is UK and our history is such to cause young coaches to be hesitant to gamble their futures on changing culture here I think a coach needs to want this to be a legacy job, not a stepping stone.
I'd love to see a Brohm or Brown come here and be successful as they would likely stick around to see it through. But it would seem someone established and older but not retirement age would be a better choice.
I'm not suggesting any of these choices. That's up for debate when the time comes. Coaches such as Schiano, Leach, Rodriguez, or Tubberville who have had coaching success and think they are the coach that can be the savior of this program and retire King of The Bluegrass might be what's needed. They would all have coaching connections around the country and have the new facilities to aid in recruitment as well.
Just my opinion
I like this post a lot. I agree with you for the most part. USC JR is a great example! I think Schiano would be the best option based on the most recent points of coaching connections, legacy, recruiting ties to Ohio, and his previous experience. He is who I'm pulling for!
A realistic look at next years coaching staff
L Kiffin HC
M. Cristobal OL
Sarkisian OC
Gran RB
Hinshaw WR
Orgeron DC
C Kiffin DL
Peveto LB/ SP Teams
Ansley DB
L Kiffin HC
M. Cristobal OL
Sarkisian OC
Gran RB
Hinshaw WR
Orgeron DC
C Kiffin DL
Peveto LB/ SP Teams
Ansley DB
His brother Chris DL Coach and Recruiting Coordinator at Ole Miss.
All In with the Colonel BBN!!!
Yeah, but which one? Hammond, McDonald, Harrison, etc.
He said realistic. Briles can't leave the state of TX. He's garbage outside that state. Oh, yeah, and the fact he oversaw and overlooked sexual assaults. Just a small thing..
No.
I don't think we are getting out of any part of the buyout unless Mitch steps down...which is doubtful.
If the rumors are true I would expect we will get out of it
I'm encouraged by this past weekend and I hope Stoops can keep the game competive-ish 40-20?). I have two names that haven't been mentioned that might be interesting.
Would Brian Kelly or Charlie Strongs be good options if either are fired after the season?
Charlie made Louisville into winners...
Brian used to coach at UC and has recruiting ties to Ohio.
Thoughts?
Would Brian Kelly or Charlie Strongs be good options if either are fired after the season?
Charlie made Louisville into winners...
Brian used to coach at UC and has recruiting ties to Ohio.
Thoughts?
Greg Schiano supposedly has a demeanor that makes Billy Gillispie seem like Mother Theresa. If you've got professionals - grown men - saying he's too tough/caustic/a jerk/whatever, not sure how long that style will last in college. The culture has changed - old school ways a lot of times just won't work, or at least not long term.....
I googled and read some articles about this. It was mostly an issue with Tampa. He tried running these professional guys like a college program and they were not having it. I'm guessing he's learned a thing or two working under Urban Meyer. I'm still pro Schiano.
Because he wants everyone to know it's about him not who his qb is. Your trying to think as a fan. Bobby Petrino is a genius and wants everyone to know it. No matter who his qb is.
I've been a big Schiano guy if we make the move from Stoops. I was on reddit and someone mentioned that Urban asks all coaches to commit to at least two years as coordinator if offered the position....meaning we probably can't hire him this offseason.
Eliot is fired and Ed Orgeron is hired as DC, guaranteeing that Stoops is fired in the 3-4 game next season. Interim Ed!!!
don't stop the modesty there, why not Les Miles as OL and Tee Martin as Recruiting Co.
If that were truly the case, rather than repeated rumor, he would have been named in civil suits if any were/are legally feasible. The university would never have to pay him as it did.
Think for yourself.
He'll be hired, build a successful program and this site will be saying we should have hired him just like the Petrino situation. Except for some who still don't know the difference between morality and PC.
If you mean Schiano he's been head coach at both Rutgers and Tampa Bay in the NFL. I've heard worse possibilities.
2-2 Oregon plays 1-2 WSU this week. In a weekend of extremely interesting games, this is one. Some coach is going to be on a hot seat after this game. If Oregon has a three game losing streak ... (when did that last happen?). And WSU fans really thought they would be relevant in the Pac12 this year. If they cannot beat a down Oregon team ......
If WSU loses this game (and I think it a toss up), they play Stanford next. Of course, if they win, they play Stanford next.
Folks, this thread is a waste of time. If Holy Mitch prays about it and the Good Lord sends him a sign that a coaching change is warranted, then he will retreat to his Jesus Bunker 50 feet below the Athletics Department to pray further. Then, and only then, will the list of coaching options that are good and right and true be revealed. Holy Mitch will evaluate them by taking each to Sunday School and also by seeing how they do at family Bible trivia night. So, until then, it's all useless speculation.
Yeesh ease off. Mitch is a good person and has put UK on the map in many sports. Sure, football has been a struggle. RELAX.