Realistic Look at Coaching Options

RonEJones

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Yeesh ease off. Mitch is a good person and has put UK on the map in many sports. Sure, football has been a struggle. RELAX.

Good guy or not (there's mixed reviews about how great of a guy he is and ppl I respect say he's a d!ck), no one truly cares about our rifle, badminton or cheer-leading trophies. Sure, they are a nice cherry on the top but ONLY if the revenue sports are doing well.

FB has been a trainwreck under father Mitch and it would have gotten him fired at any other SEC school that took FB seriously. His entire tenure has been one big FB clusterf#$k with a single decent run under Brooks. In typical Barney fashion, he fumbled that momentum away with a knee-jerk CIW title given to Joker and practically ran Brooks out of town by promising upgrades and not delivering.

He had a chance to show he was serious about winning and just like his handling of the Calipari situation when Tubby left, he was more worried about what his church buddies would think than hire the homerun, slamdunk coach.

The good news is that Louisville winning like they are, with a coach we could have easily had, while Stoop is pooping the bed, has put immense pressure on Brainfart. He knows that he has to fire Stoops if it doesn't turn around this year (something at the begging of the year he thought was not a worry) and that he has to make a big splash or his job becomes unbearable.

So maybe he'll do the right thing if Stoops is canned and move out of the way to let people who know FB hire the best coach available, regardless of warts.
 

shutzhund

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What I watt is for Stoops to succeed. The only real hire would be Briles. should he move om, if we are serious about football.

If all the dancing around him about moral, etc. were true, about Briles, then he would be on the receiving end of a rainfall of civil suits, He is not.

His critics are the same ones salivating over the false rumors about Stoops.
 

tluck28

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What I watt is for Stoops to succeed. The only real hire would be Briles. should he move om, if we are serious about football.

If all the dancing around him about moral, etc. were true, about Briles, then he would be on the receiving end of a rainfall of civil suits, He is not.

His critics are the same ones salivating over the false rumors about Stoops.
Stoops will be here and he needs time. It's like a football player when they start out in 3rd grade and eventually grow into that stud in high school. Be patient and positive.
 
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kyboy1998_rivals34276

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Stoops will be here and he needs time. It's like a football player when they start out in 3rd grade and eventually grow into that stud in high school. Be patient and positive.
What gives you that impression?

Most of the stud high school football players were the the ones who were considerably faster and were much better catching and throwing than their peer group when they were younger (like say 3rd grade).
 

Anon1660081258

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Just want to see Coach Stoops succeed, and frankly, as much as I've resented the Coach Brooks run off and Joker Phillips fiasco, if Coach Stoops does succeed, I am happy with Mitch. I'm ready to give the both of them at least through the end of 2017 to prove out.
 
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Longtrip

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I hear you, Poe and have much respect for your FB knowledge. But what are the chances of finding the next Bear being we are UK vs. going after Briles now or Petrino back when we hired Stoops? You see how much of a PR hit UL is taking.. basically, nothing. They are media darlings and the toast of the town while we are once again, a laughing stock that can barely beat bad Sunbelt teams.

Barney needs to start vetting Briles as we speak behind the scenes. Let him know we are interested but there's some conversations and background work that needs to take place. If the interest is mutual, start laying the groundwork. When Stoops lays a big turd vs. UL and they score 100 points on us, be ready to can his butt and move forward with Briles as long Barney truly feels Briles is not Lucifer.

In Barney's eyes, Briles is Lucifer and I am sure he can line up a few on the BOT to nod their heads in agreement. We have very little real chance of fixing this mess.
 

shutzhund

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The root of the problem, for football, is the administration that seems content to let things run themselves. They tolerate Barney for some unknown reason. Probably they just don't care or know what to do.

Boards are generally inefficient secondary to the loudest voice usually prevailing. They are more concerned withe the supposed prestige of the position that they don't want to rock the boat by proposing anything innovative or non pc.

Successful in their businesses but ineffectual when put in the same board room together.

Barney is like Johnson Grass that they allow to grow and eventually destroys the lawn.
 
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sefus12

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We could go 7-5 this year (no, i'm not predicting it, just making a point) and folks on here would still be calling for Stoops' and MB's heads. I question if some even get enjoyment out of watching the Cats play or if they only watch to find something else to ***** about.
 

sluggercatfan

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We could go 7-5 this year (no, i'm not predicting it, just making a point) and folks on here would still be calling for Stoops' and MB's heads. I question if some even get enjoyment out of watching the Cats play or if they only watch to find something else to ***** about.
You are being way to dramatic here, with all due respect. I 'm one of many on here who thinks MS is in over his head, but if this team goes 7-5 then MS has earned his keep for next year for sure. Now, lets just hope that MB dosen't go and make another crazy deal. A lot of season left to be played and a great opportunity for this team and let's just hope they can take advantage of it, but under MS this been the case before and haven't gotten it done...GO CATS! !
 
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tluck28

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Uk will be going into UL with five wins needing six just like last year is my prediction. Makes for an awesome game to watch on thanksgiving weekend.
 

Mike-D

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I disagree. There are plenty of good coaches out there that do not have a shaddy background. I mean I just posted a list of them. lol

You deserve a medal. Good for you.

Everyone give this man a round of applause. We're gonna get this done the right way, one way or another. Louisville is a laughing stock. Just check the rankings.
 

sefus12

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You are being way to dramatic here, with all due respect. I 'm one of many on here who thinks MS is in over his head, but if this team goes 7-5 then MS has earned his keep for next year for sure. Now, lets just hope that MB dosen't go and make another crazy deal. A lot of season left to be played and a great opportunity for this team and let's just hope they can take advantage of it, but under MS this been the case before and haven't gotten it done...GO CATS! !

Potentially, but we still have a multi-page thread debating who we should hire after Stoops has completely turned the defense around and the team is legitimately looking better. It's not that far of a stretch to imaging my scenario playing out.
 

Anon1660081258

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Potentially, but we still have a multi-page thread debating who we should hire after Stoops has completely turned the defense around and the team is legitimately looking better. It's not that far of a stretch to imaging my scenario playing out.

Oh, it is clear from some comments that certain people have no intention of letting up, no matter the results and evidence to the contrary, barring a run to the SEC title game... and some would then let any ensuing rout at the hands of the Tide stoke their fire again.
 

DACats86

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Oh, it is clear from some comments that certain people have no intention of letting up, no matter the results and evidence to the contrary, barring a run to the SEC title game... and some would then let any ensuing rout at the hands of the Tide stoke their fire again.
Many "casual" fans are more invested in a coaching search than they are in seeing improvement in the program. It's more exciting to them than football (the game) is, and distracts them until their chosen "real sport" begins...
 

TBCat

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We could go 7-5 this year (no, i'm not predicting it, just making a point) and folks on here would still be calling for Stoops' and MB's heads. I question if some even get enjoyment out of watching the Cats play or if they only watch to find something else to ***** about.
Jesus christ this is dumb. Point to me the number of seasons where we went 7-5 and people still wanted to fire the coach. Seriously just point to one of them. It's far more likely the reverse being true. There are some on this board that will be just fine with Stoops even if he never wins a game. Those are the ones that are killing this program.
 
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sefus12

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Oh, it is clear from some comments that certain people have no intention of letting up, no matter the results and evidence to the contrary, barring a run to the SEC title game... and some would then let any ensuing rout at the hands of the Tide stoke their fire again.

Thank you for getting my point. I was in no way saying that this squad is going 7-5. I was pointing it that for some on here it won't matter what this team does, they will ***** and moan and want MS/MB gone (at least based on how people continue to complain). People can deny it, but there are people in this thread/on this forum that will not be happy as long as MS/MB are around.
 

sefus12

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Jesus christ this is dumb. Point to me the number of seasons where we went 7-5 and people still wanted to fire the coach. Seriously just point to one of them. It's far more likely the reverse being true. There are some on this board that will be just fine with Stoops even if he never wins a game. Those are the ones that are killing this program.

Based on how people continue to call for other coaches/to fire MB despite us going 3-1 and winning a couple conference games (even if they were ugly), I can easily see people still wanting MS/MB gone if the team somehow finished 7-5.

No, I wasn't saying we would go 7-5. And yes, I'm fully aware how often that happens. Can you please construe how what I said meant that I would be fine with Stoops if he never won another game?

I'll give you a hint. You can't.
 

bigbluegrog

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Jesus christ this is dumb. Point to me the number of seasons where we went 7-5 and people still wanted to fire the coach. Seriously just point to one of them. It's far more likely the reverse being true. There are some on this board that will be just fine with Stoops even if he never wins a game. Those are the ones that are killing this program.

"There are some on this board that will be just fine with Stoops even if he never wins a game." WRONG

"Those are the ones that are killing this program." WRONG AGAIN

But you are right about one thing......"Jesus christ this is dumb"..........

 
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rabidcatfan

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At this point, we need to just rally around CMS and give him our full support and root for him to succeed, because it sounds like come hell or high water that, barring an embarrassing close to the season, he WILL be our coach next season.
 
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Based on how people continue to call for other coaches/to fire MB despite us going 3-1 and winning a couple conference games (even if they were ugly), I can easily see people still wanting MS/MB gone if the team somehow finished 7-5.

No, I wasn't saying we would go 7-5. And yes, I'm fully aware how often that happens. Can you please construe how what I said meant that I would be fine with Stoops if he never won another game?

I'll give you a hint. You can't.


I don't think there are ANY mature, knowledgeable fans -- not one -- who will want Coach Stoops gone if we finish 7-5 this year.
 
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sefus12

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I don't think there are ANY mature, knowledgeable fans -- not one -- who will want Coach Stoops gone if we finish 7-5 this year.

I agree with you. Unfortunately message boards/radio show callers tend to have some vocal, immature fans that can make the rest look bad.
 

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I don't think there are ANY mature, knowledgeable fans -- not one -- who will want Coach Stoops gone if we finish 7-5 this year.

Agree 100%. I'm also in the camp that this conversation should be tabled for a little while. CMS has this team making positive strides at the moment. I'm happy to sit quiet about the heat of his seat to see if he can go 6-6. He's safe if he wins 5. He's doing well if he wins 6.
 
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brianpoe

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I agree with you. Unfortunately message boards/radio show callers tend to have some vocal, immature fans that can make the rest look bad.

Agreed, but how many of those fans do we have on this internet site.




How about we go 7-5 first? If these people do exist it will be easy to call them out.

Otherwise it is just more hyperbole preventing civil discussion.
 
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macsauce13

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I, for one, still stand by Coach Stoops.

Anyone on the fence, I'm begging you to stay on board.
 

ScrewDuke1

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You are being way to dramatic here, with all due respect. I 'm one of many on here who thinks MS is in over his head, but if this team goes 7-5 then MS has earned his keep for next year for sure. Now, lets just hope that MB dosen't go and make another crazy deal. A lot of season left to be played and a great opportunity for this team and let's just hope they can take advantage of it, but under MS this been the case before and haven't gotten it done...GO CATS! !
Very good post.
 

yoshukai

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We could go 7-5 this year (no, i'm not predicting it, just making a point) and folks on here would still be calling for Stoops' and MB's heads. I question if some even get enjoyment out of watching the Cats play or if they only watch to find something else to ***** about.
I don't really believe the part about calling for Stoops and MB's head .
 
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greginky1957

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People are throwing around Les Miles, Jeff Brohm, Tom Herman, and Jim Tressel...these are not realistic options. Below is a concise list of coaches who are viable options. I'd prefer a coach with previous head coaching experience, but we might have to settle with another unknown, but high potential coordinator.

P.J. Fleck, Western Michigan

The Broncos went 1-11 in Fleck’s debut, but were one of the most improved teams in college football last season. Western Michigan went 8-5 and made its first bowl appearance since 2011. Fleck is known as an ace recruiter, as this program has reeled in the No. 1 recruiting class in the MAC in back-to-back years.

Matt Wells, Utah State

Despite injuries to a few key players, the Aggies are 19-9 in Wells’ two seasons and have recorded back-to-back bowl wins. Wells worked under Gary Andersen from 2011-12 as an assistant and was promoted to the top spot after Andersen left for Wisconsin. Wells should have Utah State in the mix to win the Mountain West title once again in 2015.

Doc Holliday, Marshall

Holliday has rebuilt Marshall’s program back among the best in Conference USA. Holliday is 23-5 in his last two years and has three bowl appearances under his watch. Holliday was known for his recruiting ability when hired at Marshall, but he’s proven he’s more than just a good recruiter.

Dave Aranda, Louisiana State University

The LSU defensive coordinator is only 39 years old. Aranda’s creative defenses have made him one of the nation’s top coordinators over the last four years. Three of his last four teams at Wisconsin and Utah State have ranked in the top 10 in fewest yards allowed per play. A move to LSU puts him at the helm of enviable defensive talent.

Scott Satterfield, Appalachian State

Satterfield has done a phenomenal job leading the Mountaineers' transition from FCS power to competitive FBS program, and now he has a chance to capture even more attention with 16 starters returning to a team that went 11-2 overall and 7-1 in the Sun Belt. The 48-year-old Satterfield went 4-8 in his debut as head coach before Appalachian State jumped to the Sun Belt, but the Mountaineers have won 17 of their last 19 games after a rough start to the 2014 season.

Mike Sanford, Notre Dame

A former Boise State quarterback from 2000-04, Sanford has already accumulated a wealth of coaching experience as an assistant under Jim Harbaugh, David Shaw and Brian Kelly. He served as offensive coordinator for Boise State's Fiesta Bowl team in 2014. Only 34 years old, Sanford has been an assistant for major bowl teams five years in a row at three schools, and last season the Irish ranked sixth in yards per play.

Brent Venables, Clemson

The 45-year-old Venables has a great gig right now he has transformed Clemson's defense over the last four years after the unit gave up 70 points in the Orange Bowl to West Virginia in 2011. Despite losing several standout players, Clemson had a top-20 defense again last season as it nearly won the national title. He can afford to be patient and wait for the perfect opportunity.

Matt Rhule, Temple

Rhule has been at Temple for three years, improving from 2-10 to 6-6 to 10-4. Last season was Temple's best since 1979, as it broke into the top 25 during the season. With several impact players gone from the defense, Temple will likely take a step back this season, but it's still in good position for a second straight bowl bid, something that has never happened before.

Jeremy Pruitt, Alabama

Nick Saban plucked Pruitt from the high school ranks when he got the Alabama job, and since then Pruitt has been on a path toward becoming a college head coach. He was the defensive backs coach for Alabama's national championship teams in 2011 and '12, then the defensive coordinator for Florida State's championship team in 2013. He left after one season for the same position at Georgia, who ranked 17th and 13th in yards per play allowed under Pruitt. Pruitt took over for Kirby and look at them now.

Tim Drevno, Michigan

The 47-year-old Michigan offensive coordinator has coached the offensive line for Stanford, the 49ers and USC, and now the Michigan line has quickly gone from liability to strength, potentially the best in the Big Ten season.

Greg Schiano, Ohio State

Rutgers is the oldest FBS program in the country, and yet Schiano basically invented Rutgers football in his stint as head coach from 2001-211 -- a time that included six bowls in his final seven seasons. The Buckeyes lose most of their defense but still have high expectations. I like Schiano at Kentucky due to his experience reviving a program (Rutgers) and his new found connections to Ohio at Ohio State. I know he is a retread, but he is an awfully good retread.

Mark Hudspeth, Louisiana-Lafayette head coach

Heading into his fourth year at Louisiana-Lafayette, Hudspeth is 27-12 in Division I following a 66-21 run in D-II at North Alabama. He can coach. But he also has the so-called "it" factor that can charm and energize a fan base. Hudspeth is the total package, and it won't be a surprise if he wins the Sun Belt again this year and parlays it into a big-time offer. Connections to Alabama and Louisiana could help expand our footprint.

Joey Jones, South Alabama

Jones has done an excellent job building South Alabama's program from scratch. He is great at developing talent which can be seen by his upsets over division 1 teams (Beat Mississippi State this year, San Diego State, Troy (over Neil Brown), and Louisiana Tech...who we barely beat).

What are your thoughts? I know Neil Brown is going to get thrown out there...Leach..Petrino....but I don't think these are great gets at this point.

Who do you like? Who do you hate?

I am thinking MARK STOOPS KENTUCKY
 

UKWinsAgainYep

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this is such an embarrassing Thread when Stoops is doing well right now.

Some of you are insufferable....beyond miserable people.