Shedeur Sanders goes undrafted in the 1st round . . . lol

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It’s truly great. His attitude sucks, but let’s be honest, a lot of great players who were drafted very high had attitudes that sucked. If you are a great player, they will overlook just about anything.

NFL GMs have some legitimate worries about his game.
 
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Imagine having your number retired and not going 1st rd lolol

I also wonder how many teams retire a # before the player is even drafted.

A lot of college players, not drafted n the first round get there numbers eventually retired that's not unusual, but its like 5 -15 years later.

The timing is quite unusual
 
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I also wonder how many teams retire a # before the player is even drafted.

A lot of college players, not drafted n the first round get there numbers eventually retired that's not unusual, but its like 5 -15 years later.

The timing is quite unusual
And, honestly, that may have played a minor factor in his draft slide. I just think there’s a lot about his persona that puts teams off. He’s not as good as his dad to get away with the prima donna attitude. If he was the truly generational talent that his dad was, then you draft him and deal with the personality. But he’s just not that good. Is he good? Sure, probably but he’s not such a generational talent that you deal with all the other issues.
 
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I also wonder how many teams retire a # before the player is even drafted.

A lot of college players, not drafted n the first round get there numbers eventually retired that's not unusual, but its like 5 -15 years later.

The timing is quite unusual
George Rogers' number was retired at halftime of his last game in Columbia.
 

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I get the acrimony towards Sanders due to his attitude, but if an NFL scout/ organization really think he has the skills to make them a constant playoff contender, they would have taken him regardless.
Sanders was always a scrambler who could make plays on the fly, the NFL is a much different game where those opportunities are much less frequent, and he will be asked to throw more from the pocket, add that he is a little undersized, and that brings more into focus as to why he got passed in the first round.

Flame away.
 

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George Rogers' number was retired at halftime of his last game in Columbia.
Good to know about Rogers, after some research I see Sharpe was retired at the end of the 1987 season, Alshon Jeffrey, was 2023, 12 years after his college career, Clooney was 2022, 9 years later,

So that's 2 of 4 so maybe the timing is not that unusual, LOL

And 3 of the 4 were first round picks with Jeffrey being the exception as a 2nd rounder.
 
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Good to know about Rogers, after some research I see Sharpe was retired at the end of the 1987 season, Alshon Jeffrey, was 2023, 12 years after his college career, Clooney was 2022, 9 years later,

So that's 2 of 4 so maybe the timing is not that unusual, LOL

And 3 of the 4 were first round picks with Jeffrey being the exception as a 2nd rounder.
 

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I get the acrimony towards Sanders due to his attitude, but if an NFL scout/ organization really think he has the skills to make them a constant playoff contender, they would have taken him regardless.
Sanders was always a scrambler who could make plays on the fly, the NFL is a much different game where those opportunities are much less frequent, and he will be asked to throw more from the pocket, add that he is a little undersized, and that brings more into focus as to why he got passed in the first round.
He has late first round skills but baggage is pushing him to day two. It will take a special organization to turn him into an NFL starter. GM's have clearly stated that they have concerns about his entitlement / Dad.
 
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I also wonder how many teams retire a # before the player is even drafted.

A lot of college players, not drafted n the first round get there numbers eventually retired that's not unusual, but its like 5 -15 years later.

The timing is quite unusual
Probably had a lot to do with papa Sanders.
 
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Here is a flashback of when Muschamp offered Sanders

South Carolina offers another of Deion Sanders’ sons.



This one plays quarterback By Ben Breiner Updated June 7, 2019 11:11 PM 247 Sports

South Carolina football already has Shilo Sanders on its roster and Deion Sanders in Columbia on Friday. Now the Gamecocks have an offer out to Shilo’s younger brother Shedeur Sanders.

The 2021 quarterback tweeted late Friday night he’d received an offer at the end of a hectic recruiting day for USC. He was in town at a Will Muschamp camp.

I am very thankful for The University of South Carolina offering me a opportunity to play at the next level. I am glad I got to go out there and compete ! I want to thank GOD for continuing to bless me daily. Y'all know the work never stops!! #legendary @CoachWMuschamp pic.twitter.com/ucK2x8yCNO β€” Shedeur Sanders (@ShedeurSanders) June 8, 2019

At 6-foot-1, 180 pounds, Shedeur Sanders boasts an impressive offer list that includes Alabama, Florida State, Florida, LSU, Michigan and Oregon. Last season, he threw for 3,088 yards, 42 touchdowns and seven interceptions. He also ran for eight touchdowns, while leading his team to a 14-0 record and a state tile. As a freshman, he has 2,360 yards, 34 scores and eight interceptions in 13 games. This story was originally published June 7, 2019 at 11:04 PM.

Read more at: https://www.thestate.com/sports/col...ecruiting/article231335018.html#storylink=cpy
 

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He has late first round skills but baggage is pushing him to day two. It will take a special organization to turn him into an NFL starter. GM's have clearly stated that they have concerns about his entitlement / Dad.
As I replied to you on a previous thread, this Dad stuff is garbage and Gamecock fans should know it. Deion's other son, Shilo, played for us for two years, and correct me if I am wrong, but nobody heard a peep from Deion. Further, Shilo played hard and was a significant contributor during that Covid Season when a whole lot of people were finding reasons to sit out. I was ambivalent towards the Shedeur Sanders situation for a long time, but I am rooting for the kid now because a lot of people are dumping on him for things that have nothing to do with him. Yeah, he had a little watch celebration. Give me the percentage of College players that don't have some sort of celebration. Like you said, I agree that he should have been a late 1st Round pick, but to me, him and Jackson Dart are about the same and I can see the Giants going with Dart. When that happened I knew he would be pushed later in the draft. This is a draft where most teams have their QB, so it's a crapshoot as to whether Sanders even gets picked in the Second Round now. However, it's not when you are picked. It's who picks you and is it a situation where he the player has a chance to succeed. Hopefully, Sanders falls into a good situation and this is a bump in the road that he gets to talk about as a starter in the league.
 

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As I replied to you on a previous thread, this Dad stuff is garbage and Gamecock fans should know it. Deion's other son, Shilo, played for us for two years, and correct me if I am wrong, but nobody heard a peep from Deion. Further, Shilo played hard and was a significant contributor during that Covid Season when a whole lot of people were finding reasons to sit out. I was ambivalent towards the Shedeur Sanders situation for a long time, but I am rooting for the kid now because a lot of people are dumping on him for things that have nothing to do with him. Yeah, he had a little watch celebration. Give me the percentage of College players that don't have some sort of celebration. Like you said, I agree that he should have been a late 1st Round pick, but to me, him and Jackson Dart are about the same and I can see the Giants going with Dart. When that happened I knew he would be pushed later in the draft. This is a draft where most teams have their QB, so it's a crapshoot as to whether Sanders even gets picked in the Second Round now. However, it's not when you are picked. It's who picks you and is it a situation where he the player has a chance to succeed. Hopefully, Sanders falls into a good situation and this is a bump in the road that he gets to talk about as a starter in the league.
His dad will be fine if he goes to a good organization. He would be a disaster if he went to Cleveland. Deon is not going to keep his mouth shut if he goes to a Cleveland type team and struggles. Comparing Shilo and his brother is laughable. How many times did Deon run his mouth about Shilo at Colorado? Never. How about his QB son? Many don't know that Shilo was on the team, even though he was a key contributor


As mentioned, i hope he gets humbled and does well in the NFL. May be a blessing that he goes later in the draft.

It's all about when you get picked. 4 years with a huge salary vs 4 years with a nice salary. It certainly matters to Sanders.
 

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His dad will be fine if he goes to a good organization. He would be a disaster if he went to Cleveland. Deon is not going to keep his mouth shut if he goes to a Cleveland type team and struggles. Comparing Shilo and his brother is laughable. How many times did Deon run his mouth about Shilo at Colorado? Never. How about his QB son? Many don't know that Shilo was on the team, even though he was a key contributor


As mentioned, i hope he gets humbled and does well in the NFL. May be a blessing that he goes later in the draft.

It's all about when you get picked. 4 years with a huge salary vs 4 years with a nice salary. It certainly matters to Sanders.
If he plays well, the 2nd Round Draft status actually works in his favor because he will be on a smaller contract with less years. You think Kirk Cousins cares now that he got picked in the 4th Round? Think Dak Prescott cares? Also, Deion being a disaster is just people projecting. Did Deion bother Muschamp to your knowledge ever and we were the bottom of some holey shoes bad. Yes, the Sanders family is flamboyant. They are loud. However, there is no evidence that they have ever done anything but work hard on the football field and the film room. Never been a discipline problem. Deion has had some relationship drama, but that's most people these days.
 

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If he plays well, the 2nd Round Draft status actually works in his favor because he will be on a smaller contract with less years. You think Kirk Cousins cares now that he got picked in the 4th Round? Think Dak Prescott cares? Also, Deion being a disaster is just people projecting. Did Deion bother Muschamp to your knowledge ever and we were the bottom of some holey shoes bad. Yes, the Sanders family is flamboyant. They are loud. However, there is no evidence that they have ever done anything but work hard on the football field and the film room. Never been a discipline problem. Deion has had some relationship drama, but that's most people these days.
Again, perception is the only reality on Deon.

Ask a 3rd round QB that was in the league for 3 years if where you are picked matters? You picked out the couple of exceptions (you can throw T.B. in this group) that have had long, successful careers. If Sanders becomes an NFL starter, it won't matter. If he flops and is out of the league in 3 years, it 100% matters.
 

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I also wonder how many teams retire a # before the player is even drafted.

A lot of college players, not drafted n the first round get there numbers eventually retired that's not unusual, but its like 5 -15 years later.

The timing is quite unusual
Exactly.
 

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I get the acrimony towards Sanders due to his attitude, but if an NFL scout/ organization really think he has the skills to make them a constant playoff contender, they would have taken him regardless.
He refused to go to the combine to showcase his skills. He expected pro scouts and gms to give him private workouts. A Primo primadonna.
 

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Again, perception is the only reality on Deon.

Ask a 3rd round QB that was in the league for 3 years if where you are picked matters? You picked out the couple of exceptions (you can throw T.B. in this group) that have had long, successful careers. If Sanders becomes an NFL starter, it won't matter. If he flops and is out of the league in 3 years, it 100% matters.
You are looking at this like some poor kid where this is life changing money for the family. Sanders father is head football coach at a Power 4 University. The father has had endorsement deals for over half his life. Played 2 Professional Sports for a long time. Been a TV Analyst for about a decade. I doubt money is an issue. So, I think the money lesson, if that what NFL Teams (I don't think they are. I just Shedeur is a late 1st Round - 2nd Round Guy talentwise) are doing, would be a little stupid. This guy has contacts and connections that will allow him to land on his feet regardless. I think that may be the problem. He is not a kid that you can intimidate with money and he was himself in interviews. Some GMs may be offended by that and say how dare you and this is their little way of getting back.
 
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He refused to go to the combine to showcase his skills. He expected pro scouts and gms to give him private workouts. A Primo primadonna.
If you know football, there are lot of guys that don't do the combine from high picks to the lower rounds. There are lot of reasons for that. You may have nagging injuries and you don't think you are at your best. You may have a promise from a team. His agent may have told to wait for individual workouts. There are a myriad of reasons. We have had guys that didn't do the combine. Again, this is projection because you just don't want to like the guy and wishing him bad. I guess I have grown out of that. I don't wish harm on no young kid coming up just because my personality doesn't jive with theirs. You don't know why he didn't participate in the combine and you are a projecting that it has something to do with his character.
 

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One unnamed GM said it was the worst interview he had experienced in his professional life.
More hearsay. You weren't there and I read the article supposedly about that interview. It included football things that had nothing to do with an interview. Like he holds the ball too long. It seemed that so called GM came in the interview with an attitude like you. He didn't want to like the kid.
 

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More hearsay. You weren't there and I read the article supposedly about that interview. It included football things that had nothing to do with an interview. Like he holds the ball too long. It seemed that so called GM came in the interview with an attitude like you. He didn't want to like the kid.
Attitude like mine? I want to like everybody. Even you. πŸ™‚
You are the one who stated he was being himself in interviews. Apparently that was part of the problem. An interviewer's attitude can change quite a bit during the interview regardless the inital attitude going in.
 

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Attitude like mine? I want to like everybody. Even you. πŸ™‚
You are the one who stated he was being himself in interviews. Apparently that was part of the problem. An interviewer's attitude can change quite a bit during the interview regardless the inital attitude going in.
Doesn't sound like it. How you guys are going on, you would think this kid was on crack or slapped up his girlfriend or something. To be honest, there was more drama with Travis Hunter, with his relationship circumstances, over the bowl season than there ever was with Sanders. My point is just keep it football. If you think the kid is 2nd Round Guy due to football reasons, say that. You don't have to create stuff for a kid to slide in the draft.
 
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Doesn't sound like it. How you guys are going on, you would think this kid was on crack or slapped up his girlfriend or something. To be honest, there more drama with Travis Hunter, with his relationship drama, over the bowl season than there ever was with Sanders. My point is just keep it football. If you think the kid is 2nd Round Guy due to football reasons, say that. You don't have to create stuff for a kid to slide in the draft.
So every single GM just doesn't like the kid? If that's the case then he goes undrafted. But I think he will be drafted. Which would make you, you know, kind of wrong. πŸ™‚
 

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You are looking at this like some poor kid where this is life changing money for the family. Sanders father is head football coach at a Power 4 University. The father has had endorsement deals for over half his life. Played 2 Professional Sports for a long time. Been a TV Analyst for about a decade. I doubt money is an issue. So, I think the money lesson, if that what NFL Teams (I don't think they are. I just Shedeur is a late 1st Round - 2nd Round Guy talentwise) are doing, would be a little stupid. This guy has contacts and connections that will allow him to land on his feet regardless. I think that may be the problem. He is not a kid that you can intimidate with money and he was himself in interviews. Some GMs may be offended by that and say how dare you and this is their little way of getting back.
You outlined his baggage perfectly.
 

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Deion sanders
It's racism, when are us white people going to let black folks in the NFL?


Obviously the league the played that black national anthem, had a black QB drafted #1 overall and had 21 of the first 32 picks be black players is racist.
 

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Adcoop will be struggling for an excuse. Yesterday's excuse was that teams didn't need QB in the 1st. There were plenty that needed one in the early 2nd but passed. Baggage, baggage, baggage.
 

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Adcoop will be struggling for an excuse. Yesterday's excuse was that teams didn't need QB in the 1st. There were plenty that needed one in the early 2nd but passed. Baggage, baggage, baggage.
It’s pretty clear. When you’re a. ginormous douche bag it turns people off. It’s fine to be confident, but people just don’t like cocky, arrogant, and demeaning. As big of a prick as someone like Johnny Manziel was, he was able to play the part during the NFL draft process that he needed to. Shedeur’s dad got away with it because he was an all-time legendary talent. But he is nowhere close to the stratosphere of talent his dad was. Shedeur had to be himself and it has ended up costing him tens of millions of dollars. Turns out doing things like pissing on your former programs by saying they were garbage before you arrived doesn’t exactly endear yourself to teams considering you for the draft.

I think it says something that all 32 NFL teams have been more than willing to let a competitor take him.

besides all that, there was plenty of chatter during the pre-draft process that scouts just weren’t as impressed with his ability as people thought based on his college tape.
 

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Time will tell if all these GMs are smart or will many of them lose their job because of this choice to embarrass this young man.
 

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Time will tell if all these GMs are smart or will many of them lose their job because of this choice to embarrass this young man.
Nobody's trying to embarrass him. They are simply doing what they think is best for their team.