Some good news for MSU in a future CFP

[615dawg]

CFP plan to expand to 16 teams is expected to pass. The plan will include:

4 SEC
4 Big 10
2 ACC
2 Big 12
1 G6
3 at large

top 2 in Big Ten and SEC will advance to CFP. 3rd and 4th will host 5th and 6th in a play in game, so its effectively an 18 team playoff.

 

[Anon1717806835]

I think expanding it beyond 12 teams was inevitable simply because nothing ever gets smaller when money is involved, but I think its a bad idea.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

CFP plan to expand to 16 teams is expected to pass. The plan will include:

4 SEC
4 Big 10
2 ACC
2 Big 12
1 G6
3 at large

top 2 in Big Ten and SEC will advance to CFP. 3rd and 4th will host 5th and 6th in a play in game.

I would assume the losers of those play-in games are still eligible for at large bids?

Overall I think it's a dumb system, but I won't complain too hard. I think getting into the top 6 of the SEC in an "up year" is doable.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

One thing I don't like is that tiebreakers are going to be nonsense.

Last year you had Texas at 7-1, Georgia and Tennessee at 6-2, and then 6 teams tied at 5-3. Which 3 of those 6 move on to the play on games. There's not enough games to have complete head to head results.

Would a team that ties for 4th but gets the 7 seed be eligible for an at large bid? If so, can it better not to play in those games?

 

[pseudonym]

What year does this take effect?

ETA: I saw elsewhere that they are aiming for this to take effect for the 2026 season.

 

[TimberBeast]

So now we get to hear the number 17,18, and 19 teams screaming about how they should have gotten in?

 

[jethreauxdawg]

What year does this take effect?

The year after we finish 15th

 

[pseudonym]

I would assume the losers of those play-in games are still eligible for at large bids?

Overall I think it's a dumb system, but I won't complain too hard. I think getting into the top 6 of the SEC in an "up year" is doable.

I agree it is dumb, but it will be wildly successful economically.

 

[pseudonym]

One thing I don't like is that tiebreakers are going to be nonsense.

Last year you had Texas at 7-1, Georgia and Tennessee at 6-2, and then 6 teams tied at 5-3. Which 3 of those 6 move on to the play on games. There's not enough games to have complete head to head results.

Would a team that ties for 4th but gets the 7 seed be eligible for an at large bid? If so, can it better not to play in those games?

Last season:

 

[615dawg]

Tiebreakers are in place before the season starts, so everyone plays by the same rules. I care about Mississippi State University. We are more likely to get into the top six on a good year than we are the top two or even four, so this is good for us.

If this system were in place last year:

Auto bids:
ACC: SMU, Clemson
B12: Arizona State, BYU
B1G: Oregon, Penn State
SEC: Texas, Georgia

B1G Play-ins:
Iowa at Indiana
Illinois at Ohio State

SEC Play-ins:
South Carolina at Tennessee
LSU at Alabama

Group of 5: Boise State

At-Large: Notre Dame

Alabama and Miami were the top two teams that didn't get in last year. If Indiana loses to Iowa, do they get in?

 

[msudawg200]

I like expanding to 16, but I don’t love this system. For one, why the play-in games? That’s effectively just saying it’s a 20 team playoff with those bottom seeds pre-defined by conference.

Second, I think the system either needs to be fully prescriptive like the NFL where there’s no subjectivity (but at the risk of more deserving teams being left out) or mostly non-prescriptive where maybe 4 P4 and 2 G6 champions are in but the other 10 spots are simply by merit to get the best teams regardless of conference (which is subjective). So naturally, they’ve gone in between, which I think is the worst choice.

Personally, I think we’ve already devalued the regular season enough that we should fully lean into the playoff system. I would expand to 32 teams (eliminate conference championship games and these dumb play-in games) and keep it fully prescriptive so that a team knows exactly what they have to do to get in, like the NFL, and there’s no subjectivity. The NFL has proven that to be a good model, and the more teams you add to the playoff, the less people care if someone misses on a tiebreaker or something because they probably weren’t winning the thing anyways.

I would set a base number of teams (similar to NFL division winners), probably top 4 in each P4 and all G6 champions, and then let the remaining at large teams be applied to conferences before the season based on past performance in the playoff. So if the SEC wins a lot and the ACC doesn’t, then the SEC gets the extra teams. And if that changes over time, then it swings back towards the ACC, but everyone knows going in that you have to finish 7th in the SEC or 5th in the ACC to get in.

As a bonus, since the bids are pre-allocated to conferences, you have to be in a conference to get a bid. So screw you ND, get off your high horse and go fully join the ACC.

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

CFP plan to expand to 16 teams is expected to pass. The plan will include:

4 SEC
4 Big 10
2 ACC
2 Big 12
1 G6
3 at large

top 2 in Big Ten and SEC will advance to CFP. 3rd and 4th will host 5th and 6th in a play in game.

How is this good new for MSU? We get more money from the SEC bowl payout split? As much as I want to be wrong, I sure don't see us in the top 6 of the SEC any time soon.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Tiebreakers are in place before the season starts, so everyone plays by the same rules. I care about Mississippi State University. We are more likely to get into the top six on a good year than we are the top two or even four, so this is good for us.

If this system were in place last year:

Auto bids:
ACC: SMU, Clemson
B12: Arizona State, BYU
B1G: Oregon, Penn State
SEC: Texas, Georgia

B1G Play-ins:
Iowa at Indiana
Illinois at Ohio State

SEC Play-ins:
South Carolina at Tennessee
LSU at Alabama

Group of 5: Boise State

At-Large: Notre Dame

Alabama and Miami were the top two teams that didn't get in last year. If Indiana loses to Iowa, do they get in?

So BYU gets the second Big 12 spot, ahead of Iowa State who played in the championship game? I don't love that.

 

[pseudonym]

How is this good new for MSU? We get more money from the SEC bowl payout split? As much as I want to be wrong, I sure don't see us in the top 6 of the SEC any time soon.

We are objectively closer to finishing 6th in the SEC than we are to making Atlanta or getting an at-large bid in a 12-team CFP.

It's the difference between 2024 Tennessee and 2024 South Carolina.

 

[patdog]

I would assume the losers of those play-in games are still eligible for at large bids?

Overall I think it's a dumb system, but I won't complain too hard. I think getting into the top 6 of the SEC in an "up year" is doable.

I would think so. But may be hard for

I like expanding to 16, but I don’t love this system. For one, why the play-in games? That’s effectively just saying it’s a 20 team playoff with those bottom seeds pre-defined by conference.

Second, I think the system either needs to be fully prescriptive like the NFL where there’s no subjectivity (but at the risk of more deserving teams being left out) or mostly non-prescriptive where maybe 4 P4 and 2 G6 champions are in but the other 10 spots are simply by merit to get the best teams regardless of conference (which is subjective). So naturally, they’ve gone in between, which I think is the worst choice.

Personally, I think we’ve already devalued the regular season enough that we should fully lean into the playoff system. I would expand to 32 teams (eliminate conference championship games and these dumb play-in games) and keep it fully prescriptive so that a team knows exactly what they have to do to get in, like the NFL, and there’s no subjectivity. The NFL has proven that to be a good model, and the more teams you add to the playoff, the less people care if someone misses on a tiebreaker or something because they probably weren’t winning the thing anyways.

I would set a base number of teams (similar to NFL division winners), probably top 4 in each P4 and all G6 champions, and then let the remaining at large teams be applied to conferences before the season based on past performance in the playoff. So if the SEC wins a lot and the ACC doesn’t, then the SEC gets the extra teams. And if that changes over time, then it swings back towards the ACC, but everyone knows going in that you have to finish 7th in the SEC or 5th in the ACC to get in.

As a bonus, since the bids are pre-allocated to conferences, you have to be in a conference to get a bid. So screw you ND, get off your high horse and go fully join the ACC.

the play in games & conference championship games are in there for a very good reason. They are very lucrative for the conferences. Been telling y’all for years the conference championship games aren’t going anywhere. Now the SEC payday that weekend will more than double.

 

[HailStout]

nothing ever gets smaller when money is involved,

Wrong. My wife’s sex drive was way bigger back in the days I was making less money.

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

We are objectively closer to finishing 6th in the SEC than we are to making Atlanta or getting an at-large bid in a 12-team CFP.

It's the difference between 2024 Tennessee and 2024 South Carolina.

Of course we are somewhat closer to 6th and than 4th. It's like your odds are better to win the Lottery with 5 tickets instead of one. Still pretty long odds.

 

[Villagedawg]

So now we get to hear the number 17,18, and 19 teams screaming about how they should have gotten in?

Correct. When about 4 STILL have a legit shot at winning it.

 

[pseudonym]

Of course we are somewhat closer to 6th and than 4th. It's like your odds are better to win the Lottery with 5 tickets instead of one. Still pretty long odds.

 

[ZombieKissinger]

Honestly, it makes me more willing to give to NIL because 8 win years are fun-ish but if it comes with some false hope to go on a tear and win it all, that’s way more valuable to me

 

[dawgstudent]

A great win for Mississippi State.

 

[8dog]

Of course we are somewhat closer to 6th and than 4th. It's like your odds are better to win the Lottery with 5 tickets instead of one. Still pretty long odds.

South Carolina would have been in the top 6. Mizzou would have only been out because of a tiebreak. If we don’t want a bigger playoff what are we doing this for- to tailgate?

 

[DawgsGoneWild]

I don’t like having _______ teams from so and so conference get in. Just take the winner of conferences and then top teams after

 

[pseudonym]

Last season:
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It still blows my mind: How did Ole Miss **** the bed so bad last year? That roster. 8 NFL draft picks. That schedule. No Texas. No Tennessee. No Alabama. The only way it could have been funnier is if all they had to do was finish 6th to at least make a play-in. And then finish 8th with a loss to Kentucky.

 

[pseudonym]

A great win for Mississippi State.

 

[615dawg]

How is this good new for MSU? We get more money from the SEC bowl payout split? As much as I want to be wrong, I sure don't see us in the top 6 of the SEC any time soon.

In 2014, we would have been 3rd and hosted Auburn at Davis Wade Stadium - a team we beat by 15 points.
In 2021, we would have been 5th and traveled to Arkansas for a spot in the playoff. - a team we lost to by 3 points

Thats two decent opportunities in the past 11 years that we could have made the CFP. There are two more seasons (2015, 2018) where we were one win away from making a play-in game.

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

In 2014, we would have been 3rd and hosted Auburn at Davis Wade Stadium - a team we beat by 15 points.
In 2021, we would have been 5th and traveled to Arkansas for a spot in the playoff. - a team we lost to by 3 points

Thats two decent opportunities in the past 11 years that we could have made the CFP. There are two more seasons (2015, 2018) where we were one win away from making a play-in game.

That's true, but unfortunately we are a long way from the 2014 or 2021 teams. I am a Lebby fan and I hope that he can get us back to that soon.

 

[msudawg200]

I would think so. But may be hard for

the play in games & conference championship games are in there for a very good reason. They are very lucrative for the conferences. Been telling y’all for years the conference championship games aren’t going anywhere. Now the SEC payday that weekend will more than double.

I get it, but it’s a pure money grab. Not that I blame them, and I agree with you it’s probably not going anywhere for a long time, but my suggestion is more of what I would want to see as a fan of college football, not what makes the most money.

I also get that I should probably be in favor of something that makes money for the conference, and by extension Mississippi State, but as a fan of the game, I just don’t love the system as is.

 

[patdog]

I get it, but it’s a pure money grab. Not that I blame them, and I agree with you it’s probably not going anywhere for a long time, but my suggestion is more of what I would want to see as a fan of college football, not what makes the most money.

I also get that I should probably be in favor of something that makes money for the conference, and by extension Mississippi State, but as a fan of the game, I just don’t love the system as is.

Completely agree. I don’t like it. I don’t like the SEC adding the 4 Big 12 schools, the big 10 expanding past 11 schools or the ACC raising & killing Big East football. An 8-team playoff is plenty big.

 

[TheBannerM]

CFP plan to expand to 16 teams is expected to pass. The plan will include:

4 SEC
4 Big 10
2 ACC
2 Big 12
1 G6
3 at large

top 2 in Big Ten and SEC will advance to CFP. 3rd and 4th will host 5th and 6th in a play in game, so its effectively an 18 team playoff.

OTH, this all but guarantees the SEC moves to 9 league games in 2026.

 

[patdog]

OTH, this all but guarantees the SEC moves to 9 league games in 2026.

It’ll be interesting to see. Schools are split on this & ESPN so far hasn’t been willing to pay for the additional game. But the reverse of the 1-7-7 rotation plan will never happen because of several big rivalry games that wouldn’t be played. I think the SEC goes to the 9 game schedule with or without more money from ESPN. But we’ll see.

 

[Boosh]

CFP plan to expand to 16 teams is expected to pass. The plan will include:

4 SEC
4 Big 10
2 ACC
2 Big 12
1 G6
3 at large

top 2 in Big Ten and SEC will advance to CFP. 3rd and 4th will host 5th and 6th in a play in game, so its effectively an 18 team playoff.

It's time to get rid of SEC championship game. I dont think there is a benefit.