Southern Mississippi & Louisville Game !
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Southern Miss is an absolute. Starting out 0-1 after the finishes the past 2 years would be a program crusher. Losing to UL won't help matters esp if UK is sitting on 5 wins and will leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth for the offseason but I wouldn't call it a must win. I think losing to Southern Miss would snowball to a 3-9 record or maybe worse and the Mark Stoops era would be over.
Has to win Southern Miss. No question about it. There's no point in discussing anything else if he loses that game. UL is not quite a must win but it's really close. Stoops does have as much or more talent and should be able to win. Going 0-4 against Petrino would be a total disaster. Possibly even unrecoverable even though he can get 6 wins without UL. He will never succeed here if he can't build a program that is competitive with UL and continuing to lose every year no matter what is not competing. Also Stoops has to at some point prove he can actually beat a good team. He can't go through his tenure here with the definition of success being he has to find at least 6 opponents that are complete basket cases. If you can't beat atleast one good team after 4 or 5 years then you can't succeed in the SEC.
I don't disagree with your post, but a loss this year would only be 0-3 vs Petrino, the first loss was against Charlie Strong
I hope we have a winning season because I would hate to lose Coach Marrow and his recruiting if Stoops leave. I doubt Marrow would stay on with a new regime since he and Stoops are so tight.
Although only a 1 game difference, there will be a HUGE difference between a 5 win season and a 6 win season this year. Since the Charlie Bradshaw era only 1 UK coach has failed to record a 6 win season by his 4th year and that was Charlie's successor, John Ray...who got fired after that 4th season. Due to contract considerations a 5 win season in 2016 will not get Stoops fired but it will likely blunt any remaining optimism about his future as HC. IMO, UofL is not among UK's "6 most likely wins" but USM certainly is.
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UK's lost 30 in a row to UF, 29 out of 30 or whatever to UT, not sure about UGA but I do know UK has not been competitive with them AT ALL for at least the last 3 games, lost 7 in a row to Miss ST, lost 4 out of 5 to Vandy....so there's lots of games they need to start winning. And resident UL toady Wildcard already has the UL game penciled in as a UK loss.
no... i don't believe in "must" wins.... i heard the same statement made about a couple games last year... Vandy being one and UofL being the another as I remember... he's still here ain't he?
what i think he must do is get better at his craft.... now if his craft was pyrotechnics?... then he's ahead of the curve cause his teams have blown up 2nd half two seasons in a row....
what i think he must do is get better at his craft.... now if his craft was pyrotechnics?... then he's ahead of the curve cause his teams have blown up 2nd half two seasons in a row....
No, it would be 0-4 against Petrino. Stoops lost to Western Kentucky the first season when Petrino was their coach.
You are a special kind of stupid.
If this were a normal year in the SEC east Southern might be a must win, but this is far from a normal year. 3 programs have new coaches, I am not sure about Missouri's coach but I think its his first head coaching job, UGA has a head coach on his first job and USC has a coach fired from his last head coaching job after leading UF to their first non bowl season in almost 30 years. How does Missouri's new coach work out, will he be successful or will he struggle? Same thing can be said about Smart, UGA fans are more excited about the program than any time I can remember since HW trotted out on the field, but he hasn't coached his first game as head coach, how will it turn out? Muschamp, he couldn't win with UF talent, is he going to win with alot less talent? Right now, neither of those 3 games can be considered losses for UK. So I don't' think Southern is a must win, though would be a big disappointment if it isn't a win,
UL I don't see it as a must win, sure UK has outrecruited UL the last few years, but that doesn't mean much when you have 4-6 starters who weren't recruited out of HS or JUCO and never counted towards rankings. IF they develop any kind of passing game their offense will be tough with a qb who is the fastest guy on the field, can't shadow him with a LB because he can't keep up, use a DB and it hurts your run defense. They will be a tough win, but if for the 3rd year in a row, UK is playing them to be bowl eligible, UK needs to win because it would not leave a good taste in anyone's mouth getting knocked out of a bowl for the 3rd year in a row by your instate rival.
You can thank that contract extension from 2 years ago for 5 years of Stoops. I think he might already be gone if not for that.
As a WKU alum, I choose to eliminate the memory that slime ball ever worked for my alma mater... so, Stoops has still only lost 2 games to Petrino as the first never happened
But according to the dumbazz, pikespeak, you're a special kind of stupid for thinking that. I'll ask these clowns again, can you name another P5 school in the country that kept their coach after 4 straight years of not going to a bowl game?
Frank Beamer at VT, first six years without a bowl, 22-40-2 record and he didn't play in the SEC, ACC, or anything close.
1987 Virginia Tech 11 2 9 0 .182 -2.12 6.16
1988 Virginia Tech 11 3 8 0 .273 -1.34 5.39
1989 Virginia Tech 11 6 4 1 .591 6.36 2.91
1990 Virginia Tech 11 6 5 0 .545 7.20 5.10
1991 Virginia Tech 11 5 6 0 .455 3.94 1.30
1992 Virginia Tech 11 2 8 1 .227 -1.93 1.70
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It is not really predictable. If Barker survives going to the Swamp and Tuscaloosa, and if Jackson survives Clemson and FSU and going to Houston. Who knows what will be at the end of November. Louisville has a lot more weapons, but neither team is very deep. Not really predictable...
Love these threads. So, if he loses those two and won all the others ...
I wish I had something more important to do. This thread is a sign my life is a waste.
I wish I had something more important to do. This thread is a sign my life is a waste.
They were on probabtion I believe, and that's why they didn't go to a bowl I believe. Not 100% sure so correct me if wrong.
Dumb statement, never is a long time, and even if they had better teams BIG upsets happen in football.
How close did we come to upsetting NUMBER ONE MSU two years ago with a MUCH less talented team than we will have this year, JMO, who was their coach then. Who jumped WAY ahead of Transfer U this past year and should have won with the lead we had?
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Doubt if that entered into it, as Wildcard said, very few bowls back then and his best team in those six years was barely over 500 in a crap conference and his fifth year (Stoops fifth coming up) was below 500, and UK has a MUCH tougher schedule this year than that team. But he followed that his sixth year with only two wins, and he survived.
Anyway someone asked for someone that survived not going bowling his first four years and I gave him one that lasted decades that didn't go his first six years AND that won two games his sixth year.
I doubt going 0-4 vs. Petrino is as disastrous as some would like to think; has it cost you an instate recruit or a head-to-head recruiting battle? Rich Brooks seemed to bounce back nicely from going 0-4 against Petrino and he never had the benefit of a lead in any of those games.
Southern Miss is mandatory to win. Go 2-0 against your Mississippi squads and you're in really good shape for a bowl.
Southern Miss is mandatory to win. Go 2-0 against your Mississippi squads and you're in really good shape for a bowl.
About as likely of a situation of only winning those 2 games. Laugh at the thread all you want but if UK loses to Southern Miss in week 1, that opens up a can of worms no one wants to be apart of. The little momentum you did gain back after another 5-7 campaign with the offensive hires are gone. QB questions, Defensive questions, head coach questions will blow up all over. Fans are gone, team confidence shot. This isn't basketball where you can shake a bad loss because you have 30 more to go and tournament at the end.
It's why Southern Miss is a must win. To actually think a program like UK would rebound to win the rest of the games outside of UL if they would somehow lose to Southern Miss is a joke.
Yes, but that was 25-30 years ago. Now that I think more about it I believe Beamer did inherit some probation issues
Yes, I think it boils down to that. Even if there are some "good" wins in a 5-6 season it is still a 5-6 season.
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About as likely of a situation of only winning those 2 games. Laugh at the thread all you want but if UK loses to Southern Miss in week 1, that opens up a can of worms no one wants to be apart of. The little momentum you did gain back after another 5-7 campaign with the offensive hires are gone. QB questions, Defensive questions, head coach questions will blow up all over. Fans are gone, team confidence shot. This isn't basketball where you can shake a bad loss because you have 30 more to go and tournament at the end.
It's why Southern Miss is a must win. To actually think a program like UK would rebound to win the rest of the games outside of UL if they would somehow lose to Southern Miss is a joke.
I am laughing. Offseason mental masturbation.
Complete an utter nonsense. Bottom line is he needs to get a bowl game. He does that and it doesn't matter if he loses to both Southern Miss and UofL. The quality of wins don't matter one bit this year.
Louisville will be tough to win, but I do think Kentucky will have a better chance than they have in a while with more competent offensive coaching. As to Southern Miss, Shannon Dawson being there gives me more confidence. Kentucky will give up some yards and points, but I think Southern Miss will be less successful at stopping Kentucky.
This is stoops fourth year by the way. (2-10, 5-7, 5-7 ).
Too the poster who said of not for the contract extension stoops would be gone by now is nonsense. Name me a coach in NCAA that more than doubled his win total from when he took over in less than three years who got fired for not winning enough?