Sports business CEO predicts divide between SEC and rest of college football

18IsTheMan

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It is interesting. The SEC is a big enough brand on its own that I think it's at least a possibility.
 

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I can see this actually happening.

Nothing is crazy enough to be off the table in the current landscape. I'm not in favor of just about any change that has taken place, but I see no reason why this COULNDN'T happen.

If you look at viewership, the SEC is without peer in terms of compelling matchups. With Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, Tennessee, UGA, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, you could easily create one marquee game every week of the season. Probably two. Even if teams are down, you still get draw based on name recognition.
 
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The semi-professionalization of collegiate sports has become a turn-off to me. I'm probably in the minority though.
There is no "semi" in it anymore. "College" football is now nothing more than a pro sports league with college naming rights. I predict the requirement to be enrolled as a student at the school the team is named for will be done away with within the next five years.
 

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There is no "semi" in it anymore. "College" football is now nothing more than a pro sports league with college naming rights. I predict the requirement to be enrolled as a student at the school the team is named for will be done away with within the next five years.

Yep. Absolutely on players no longer having to be students. I don't know why we aren't there already. How much is an 18 or 19 year old kid who is making 6 figures spending cracking the books? If people don't accept that as the death of college football, I don't know when they will.

I actually asked this question years ago back on GoGamecocks forum. Cannot remember the context since that was long before NIL and transfer portal and all that, but I asked if fans would still remain fans even if players were no longer required to be students and teams just basically had naming rights. A shockingly high number said they would.
 
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The semi-professionalization of collegiate sports has become a turn-off to me. I'm probably in the minority though.
Well, count me in as a prospective club member of the anti semi-pros. Save me a seat at your table! (Tangueray martini, up, with a lemon twist if I'm running late)
 
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The semi-professionalization of collegiate sports has become a turn-off to me. I'm probably in the minority though.
You are solidly in the majority. I don't think I've chatted in person with a single college sports fan (defined as somebody who is more interested in college sports/teams than pro sports teams) who likes what is happening to college sports. Everybody says they hate it but nobody knows a legal way to stop it or mitigate the damage. I guess we'll just ride this train off the cliff and see what happens.
 

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There is no "semi" in it anymore. "College" football is now nothing more than a pro sports league with college naming rights. I predict the requirement to be enrolled as a student at the school the team is named for will be done away with within the next five years.
Students in name only. Class attendance and getting an education are not part of the program.
 

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You are solidly in the majority. I don't think I've chatted in person with a single college sports fan (defined as somebody who is more interested in college sports/teams than pro sports teams) who likes what is happening to college sports. Everybody says they hate it but nobody knows a legal way to stop it or mitigate the damage. I guess we'll just ride this train off the cliff and see what happens.

Agree. Have not met a single person except one who likes whats going on. And she was not a college football fan and openly admitted she liked that it was getting destroyed.

The question is, how long will people keep tuning in? I didn't even watch the title game last year, first time in a few years. Was just really turned off by the teams buying their way in. Or maybe I just hate Ohio State.

But as long as people keep watching, the money keeps flowing.
 
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Sadly, it does not seem to have hurt ratings so far.
I think the games will generate strong ratings in the short term, who knows about the long term. There's quite a bit of novelty about the playoffs at this point that may be driving the ratings. But we have to remember that fill⁹ng a stadium is about appealing to die-hards who will actually spend the money and time to go to a game. But getting TV ratings is about appealing to the most casual/disinterested fans. It's definitely an apples/oranges thing. It's kind of like making a movie that appeals to film lovers versus making one that sells the most tickets to American and Chinese teenagers.

I think the question is if and when college football fans realize these changes aren't aimed at them, will they stop watching?
 
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Let’s call it what it is and that’s “NFL Minor League” supported by fans that think these players love there College or University. The NFL is so glad it exist, because they don’t have to fund it.
 

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I think the games will generate strong ratings in the short term, who knows about the long term. There's quite a bit of novelty about the playoffs at this point that may be driving the ratings. But we have to remember that fill⁹ng a stadium is about appealing to die-hards who will actually spend the money and time to go to a game. But getting TV ratings is about appealing to the most casual/disinterested fans. It's definitely an apples/oranges thing. It's kind of like making a movie that appeals to film lovers versus making one that sells the most tickets to American and Chinese teenagers.

I think the question is if and when college football fans realize these changes aren't aimed at them, will they stop watching?
Inertia is a powerful force. I don't know many, any actually, people who like the direction college football has gone. Most will continue to do what they have always done, for a while at least. At some point, I think sooner (within the next 10 years) rather than later, fans who actually attend games will tire of the expense of paying the NFL JV players and the lawyers will continue to overplay their hand and file suit after suit until the players are not required to attend any classes or even be enrolled as a student and are nothing more than professional athletes paid by athletic associations with naming rights supplied by colleges. The fans will lose that feeling of connection with the players and the team and their behavior will change. Once the inertia is broken, the fans change their habits and the stadiums aren't even close to full anymore, the interest in the sport as a whole will fall off and tv ratings will fall as well.
 
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Inertia is a powerful force. I don't know many, any actually, people who like the direction college football has gone. Most will continue to do what they have always done, for a while at least. At some point, I think sooner (within the next 10 years) rather than later, fans who actually attend games will tire of the expense of paying the NFL JV players and the lawyers will continue to overplay their hand and file suit after suit until the players are not required to attend any classes or even be enrolled as a student and are nothing more than professional athletes paid by athletic associations with naming rights supplied by colleges. The fans will lose that feeling of connection with the players and the team and their behavior will change. Once the inertia is broken, the fans change their habits and the stadiums aren't even close to full anymore, the interest in the sport as a whole will fall off and tv ratings will fall as well.

I hope that's where it heads. Sadly, the power brokers will ride the gravy train til it breaks down and the sport is decimated.

You're getting further and further away from having alumni with ties to the school who still that emotional attachment with the team. As players bounce around to 3, 4, 5 or more different teams, that identification with the team is breaking down.

I know I personally just don't care nearly as much as I used to. I have a sort of muscle memory that kicks in near the end of August that tells me it's college football season, but it's getting weaker and weaker.
 

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I hope that's where it heads. Sadly, the power brokers will ride the gravy train til it breaks down and the sport is decimated.

You're getting further and further away from having alumni with ties to the school who still that emotional attachment with the team. As players bounce around to 3, 4, 5 or more different teams, that identification with the team is breaking down.

I know I personally just don't care nearly as much as I used to. I have a sort of muscle memory that kicks in near the end of August that tells me it's college football season, but it's getting weaker and weaker.
If ''college professional football'' loses its emotional alumni attachment completely it opens the door for some enterprising individual to step up with an alternative which would be very attractive to those who prefer the amateur version.
Having another viewing option is the only way to slow down this train.
 

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If ''college professional football'' loses its emotional alumni attachment completely it opens the door for some enterprising individual to step up with an alternative which would be very attractive to those who prefer the amateur version.
Having another viewing option is the only way to slow down this train.
It really doesn't have to be a "viewing" option. Fall is the very best time of year for outdoor activities. People have lots of options of what to do with leisure time in the Fall. If football is a requirement, there are lots of options available for watching football in the Fall. There is HS, NFL and lower division college football if someone simply loves football so much they have to watch it.

The emotional attachment of college football to its fans is what makes (made?) it unique and so popular. When that attachment is gone or dramatically weakened, college football will become just another option to take up leisure time in the Fall.
 
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It really doesn't have to be a "viewing" option. Fall is the very best time of year for outdoor activities. People have lots of options of what to do with leisure time in the Fall. If football is a requirement, there are lots of options available for watching football in the Fall. There is HS, NFL and lower division college football if someone simply loves football so much they have to watch it.

The emotional attachment of college football to its fans is what makes (made?) it unique and so popular. When that attachment is gone or dramatically weakened, college football will become just another option to take up leisure time in the Fall.
This is where the SEC separating itself from the rest of college football comes into play as suggested in the OP article.
 

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Once players are in a professional organization separate from the public University, organizing becomes less of an issue. Trust me, I understand his concern about right to work and our defense of union free workplaces.

But, these players already have a unique, separate niche of workplace "status." There will be ways to further massage that into a private sector organization with some kind of bargaining rights, still loosely associated with schools, but not a part.

When it comes to the voracious appetite to pay players at any cost, even a few old ideas will be compromised for the sake of the "sport."
 

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If ''college professional football'' loses its emotional alumni attachment completely it opens the door for some enterprising individual to step up with an alternative which would be very attractive to those who prefer the amateur version.
Having another viewing option is the only way to slow down this train.
I don't see the NFL trying to start a NBA-D League model. As others have said, they aready have it for free in the college system. As to them no longer being student athletes, that has been in name only for quite a while. I remember a player at Clemson scored a 10 on the Wunderlich test, but graduated with like a 3.7 GPA.