First off im still believe in stoops. But he needs to clean up some decisions he made. First one not kicking extra point early in the 3 quarter and at the end not using time out. Thankfully we got that 18 yard pass right before feild goal or we would have not had enough time for another play. Clean it up stoops!! I still believe !! Go cats!!
Stoops decision
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I loved the decision to go for the first two point conversion. I like the aggression.
So far as not calling timeout, i felt like the announcers blew it way out of proportion. It wasn't that much time and he was playing for two plays to get into fg range instead of one. But the incomplete pass to baker stopped the clock so it ended up we didn't need that last timeout.
So far as not calling timeout, i felt like the announcers blew it way out of proportion. It wasn't that much time and he was playing for two plays to get into fg range instead of one. But the incomplete pass to baker stopped the clock so it ended up we didn't need that last timeout.
Personally I would have kicked the field goal, it took some balls going for two at the time. I don't have a problem with it. I like the fact he was aggressive.
I like the aggressiveness. It shows confidence in his players.
I didn't like seeing Smi...err....Johnson trotted back out to start the 2nd half, but that obviously turned out ok.
I didn't like seeing Smi...err....Johnson trotted back out to start the 2nd half, but that obviously turned out ok.
We started a 69 second drive with 3 timeouts. We ended the game with 1 timeout left. Had we missed that last pass completion, we were looking at a Hail Mary to the end zone with 3-4 seconds left in the game. I'm sorry people, that's not good clock management. We could have used that extra timeout somewhere along the drive to give ourselves an extra play.
I don't like going for 2 there. I figure they worked on a 2 point conversion over the bye week that they felt pretty good about.
And yes, we put ourselves in a tough spot with the clock.
But it doesn't matter. We made the plays and made it happen. I give Stoops credit for having them mentally prepared to go out and make the plays that had to be made with the game on the line.
And yes, we put ourselves in a tough spot with the clock.
But it doesn't matter. We made the plays and made it happen. I give Stoops credit for having them mentally prepared to go out and make the plays that had to be made with the game on the line.
How's that?
We take a timeout and save five seconds. Ok. So that's eight seconds instead of three at the end.
How much time does the average play take from snap to blown dead? About seven seconds.
Would you risk such a close time discrepancy to run one more play, or would you kick the fg with eight seconds left?
The call that could've cost UK the game was the Johnson fumble play. UK was running it down their throats with Snell and Boom. Then you call a QB keeper for Johnson?!?! Don't get that at all.
It wasn't a keeper. It was a read option. That was Johnson's decision to make, but it wasn't a mistake. The mistake was him not securing the ball once he made his decision.
Of course I'd take 8 seconds left over 3 or 4. It's the difference between being able to run 2 plays over 1. So under your scenario, had we missed the pass to Badet over the middle, we've now got 3-4 seconds for a Hail Mary. With some extra time, you've still got time to setup one more pass play to get into field goal range.
I'm glad we won, I'm not complaining, but it wasn't good clock management.
Coach Stoops , I noticed some some mistakes while viewing from my recliner about the time I finished off beer number nine . Clean that up least I say you coached it wrong .
You're adding qualifiers that didn't happen, though. We didn't miss the pass to badet.
But think about the play earlier that baker dropped. Say Johnson doesn't pull down his initial throw. He throws the underneath route he saw initially. That sets up the exact scenario you're describing. Two timeouts for two shots to get into position. The incomplete negated the need for that last timeout, but what you're saying was exactly what was planned for. Complete underneath, timeout, complete to badet, timeout field goal. It just turns out we didn't need that final timeout.
That's why I'm not complaining. It all worked. I still don't think it was good clock management. Just my opinion.
You can run a quick play to attempt to gain a few more yards that only takes a few seconds.
Coach Stoops , I was lounging on my sectional smoking the doobies and noticed you was in error . Nothing gets past these :eyes:
But why not? The exact scenario you say we needed the timeout for was planned for, but the incomplete pass on the first of the two plays negated the need for the final timeout. If that play is a play underneath instead of a shot at the endzone, like Johnson's initial read was to do, then you call time, you throw the second pass (which ended up being the badet catch), you call time, you kick the field goal.
It's exactly what you wanted him to use the timeouts for. Because we ended up not needing that timeout because of the drop doesn't negate the fact that the staff was prepared to do exactly what you're saying they should've done. We had that timeout in case the play before badet was a catch and not incomplete.
So how was it mismanaged?
Didn't have any doobies. Would have been nice. Been a long while. [thumb2]
Stoops is still learning. I see improvements on both sides of the ball. Only decisions he needs to make is to keep DJ or to send him packing. I think its pretty clear Stoops needs to run the D hands on. DJ is nothing more then a spectator getting paid at this point. Waist of money
We got the ball back with 69 seconds left. Our first timeout was called with 31 seconds left. We could have saved quite a bit of time early on in the drive by using 1 timeout after a first down. I can remember off hand 2 first down completions to G. Johnson and J. Badet where we could have called T.O's. Precious time ticked off the clock after each other those plays during the entire 7 play drive.
Going for 2 made perfect sense. They had a 1 point lead, if they kicked a 1 pt conversion then they would be behind on a FG. If they converted the 2 pt conversion then a FG ties. What did they have to lose. The announcers made too much of it
You don't use a timeout after a first down in college football if you're in the crunch. The clock stops while the ball is set, the formation doesn't change, and the play calls are a very short list practiced throughout the off-season and season. You lose one or maybe two seconds.
You use the timeouts after 2nd and 3rd down only, unless you're down to having time for one last play.
Well if you were watching, the clock was rolling before we ever got lined up on both of those first downs. If you don't believe me, go back and look. The refs were spotting the ball quick. When you've got 3 in your pocket, it's okay to use one in that situation. Like I said, our first TO was called at 31 seconds. I believe that was when Stoops was going off about the missed horse collar.
I agree with this but I'm not sure it should be allowed to mar an otherwise great performance and extremely important win. Despite some disastrous TOs the Cats pretty much controlled the LOS, dominated the stats, probably played their best game of the year (considering the opponent) and executed and scored late to get a hard earned win.
Without question the SECE (+ MSU) is the worst it has ever been with several programs "playing down" to UK's level. But props to UK for taking advantage and getting wins that often escaped them in the past. I don't know a thing about MSU's personnel or defensive inventory but, FWIW, I thought they made a huge mistake playing rush 3 drop 8 for that final series. It strikes me that Cover 2 Man is a better approach and could get 1 or 2 more rushers.
Yes, Johnson can be a liability at QB but there is absolutely no reason why the Cats cannot win at Mizzou. In fact, because of this weekends results, they may well be favored. A win in Columbia assures (at least) a 4 win SEC season and almost certainly an important 6 win season overall. Other than AL, every game since SC has been a must win game and the Cats have answered the bell.
Peace
I like you, Coach Mike, but the exact right decisions were made. We had the time we needed to get down the field, and we had the timeouts to call if Johnson doesn't go for it all on the play to baker. The proof is in the pudding. It was clearly the correct strategy because it worked. The time you wanted to save was of no consequence whatsoever. We didn't run out of it. It's getting about time for people to start thinking maybe this coaching staff have learned / are still learning from past mistakes.
Rick, I agree 100%! We know that Johnson isn't strong, and has a tendency to fumble, especially when the other team is trying to tear the ball away from him. When your inside 10 yards, ball possession should be No.1.
OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
With that terrible clock management no wonder we lost the dammed game.
For what it's worth we'll never win a game with that Johnson kid at qb.
For what it's worth we'll never win a game with that Johnson kid at qb.
I was on bourbon #9 yelling my *** off while everyone else was trying to sleep. I vaguely remember the field goal that won it but I woke up happy.
Baker catches the damn pass to the end zone, and nobody talks about clock management. We gambled and gave a historically un-clutch player a chance to redeem himself. He had every chance to nab that ball.
We caught the defense off guard. If we call a timeout, they get set. We exploited their weakness and it almost paid off. I don't think a lot of fans understand that we aren't Bama and we don't have a great passing QB. Timeout is great if your team is pretty good, but a lot of our success hinges primarily on getting defenses off-balance.
Again, it almost paid off. Johnson put the ball where it needed to be, and so I don't have a problem with Stoops' clock management. I'd rather win than do things by the book. Just my opinion.
We caught the defense off guard. If we call a timeout, they get set. We exploited their weakness and it almost paid off. I don't think a lot of fans understand that we aren't Bama and we don't have a great passing QB. Timeout is great if your team is pretty good, but a lot of our success hinges primarily on getting defenses off-balance.
Again, it almost paid off. Johnson put the ball where it needed to be, and so I don't have a problem with Stoops' clock management. I'd rather win than do things by the book. Just my opinion.
I felt the same way in the moment, but at the end of the day, what we most need is for SJ to figure out how to take care of his business in traffic. I'm left ambivalent about it. I certainly understand observations that staying with Snell was a natural course, better for ball security, but we DO need SJ to figure out how to protect the ball when bombs are going off around him. We only get him there by continuing to send him into combat.
Only if you don't get the other first downs. Because we got first downs, we went hurry-up. Don't move the ball as successfully and we need that other TO. Stoops and Gran played it correctly. Don't listen to Gilmore. He is the worst.
I'm more concerned about the 15 seconds they (including the coaches around Stoops) that got burned off the clock after the emotion of the horse collar tackle then him having the guts to go for 2 vs 1.
He does need to learn to stay on task, though as has been observed, we might have been avoiding TO to preserve the personnel match ups on the field, or simply try to keep them on their heels and disorganized. We got in FG range and connected... and if was a matter of concern to Coach Gran, don't you figure HE could have stopped the clock?
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