Thanks to Stans for bringing us another team...

[She Mate Me]

that can compete with the best teams in the country at a school that has historically had a very hard time accomplishing this feat (even though most of our fans seem to only know the success that has happened under you and Richard Williams and seem to think it is natural at MSU).

Thanks again and here is to a nice SEC run with a chance for a nice NCAA run. Good Luck.

 

[Coach34]

top 6 in SEC titles<div>top 6 in Tourney titles</div><div>one of only 6 SEC teams to make a FF</div><div>tied for 7th in NCAA berths earned</div><div>
</div><div>we are one of the SEC's best basketball programs</div><div>
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[MStateFan22]

Wouldn't that just make us an average SEC team historically?

 

[She Mate Me]

and think about it. That is all (I will spell out his complete whiff, if no one else notices it).

 

[o_riverdawg]

Before then we were God awful. Yes, we had agood 5 year run in the late 50s and early 60s, but other than that we have been scraping the bottom of the barrel. Since Stansbury arrived as an assistant, we've won two SEC championships (one as assistant, one as head coach), 3 SEC Tourney titles (one as assistant, two as head coach) and been to a Final Four. So most of the success we've had since 1963hasto beattributed to Rick Stansbury.

 

[She Mate Me]

All of the things that in Coach's post make us a Top 6 SEC program happened in the last 25 years under Stans and Williams, with the exception of 4 SEC titles under our greatest coach (McCarthy) during the only other consistent stretch of quality basketball in school history.

 

[patdog]

It takes very few titles to be in the top 6 all time. With a quick Google I found the all-time records through the 2005 season.

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[list type=decimal]
[*]University of Kentucky 823-217 (.791)
[*]University of Alabama 674-495 (.577)
[*]University of Arkansas 123-97 (.559)
[*]University of Tennessee 598-480 (.555)
[*]Vanderbilt University 574-530 (.520)
[*]LSU 572-550 (.510)
[*]Auburn University 521-593 (.468)
[*]University of Florida 486-569 (.461)
[*]Mississippi State University 491-645 (.432)
[*]University of Georgia 450-650 (.409)
[*]University of South Carolina 91-133 (.406)
[*]University of Mississippi 405-710 (.363)
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Read more from original site: http://www.secsportsfan.com/sec-basketball-history.html#ixzz1hwGJILRx</div>

 

[Repeat Offender]

being the6th best teamin the SEC is not much of a feat. According to you, the SEC is a second rate basketball conference anyway.Our SEC West title teams didn't really accomplish much because winning the SEC West is equivalent to finishing 6th or 7th in any of the other "major" conferences, right? So now you are going to act like it is a positive that we are historically a mediocre-middle of the pack SEC team even though we were probably more like the 9th or 10th best program historically in the conference before Stans set foot on campus. Stans has had to deal with having the smallest budget in the SEC, LT being his boss for most of his tenure, and trying to recruit big time athletes to the Starkville "metro" area. Now I fully realize that he is not a great X and Os coach, his teams regularly lack discipline and he has lost some games for us due to poor late game decisions, but to say that he should be more successful at MSU due to our history is ignorant. We played an elite 8 caliber team last night and had a chance to win it on our last possession, we didn't get it done and a better play should have been drawn up for that opportunity. BUT, he is responsible and must be given credit for bringing in good enough talent to compete with a team that will be ranked in the top 5 by Monday morning in a game that was played about 90 miles away from their campus. Arizona, West Virginia, and Texas A&M have more history, money, and facilities, yet Stans led us to victories over them. I can promise you that Baylor does not want us in their bracket come March even though they have been a consistent top ten team over the past few years with an elite 8 appearance. Considering the fact that you think Stans is one of the worst coaches in D1 hoops, how can that be? How do we beat these programs that have farmore resources and "great" coaches with someone as incompetant as Stans leading us? He led us to theoverall SEC title in 2004beatingout programs like Florida and Kentucky for the crown at little ole Mississippi State yet he is a truly horrible coach. Drew at Baylor is considered to be one of the better coaches in the nation and he is coaching a team that is LOADED yet we took them to the buzzer with Stans being our leader, is Drew over rated? Is Huggins? I know that Stans has many faults, but I have a hard time being disappointed with the current team that he has assembled and with our overall success during his tenure. I sure as hell wish that our football and baseball programs could do as "poorly" as our bball team has over the past 16 years(yes, I know that he has not been our HC for the past 16 years, but he seems to the catalyst for our success). I understand and agree with most of the complaints from some of the posters on the pack, but you go overboard with it. Complain and criticize all that you want, but you can't be taken seriously until you give credit where and when it is due. That will never happen though,even after we make the sweet 16 this year. Yes, I am officially going on record and predicting that we will be a sweet 16 team or better by the end of this year despite our coaching deficiencies.

 

[hopper21]

If you look at the official NCAA records list up to 2011, available here: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/s...asketball_RB/2011/D1.pdf

You'll see State at number seven:
Kentucky............................................................. 1903 107 2,023 638 1 .760
Arkansas.............................................................. 1924 87 1,501 840 0 .641
Alabama.............................................................. 1913 97 1,499 913 1 .621
Tennessee........................................................... 1909 101 1,470 929 2 .613
Vanderbilt........................................................... 1901 108 1,447 1,024 0 .586
LSU........................................................................ 1909 102 1,397 1,056 0 .570
Mississippi St..................................................... 1909 98 1,272 1,056 0 .546
Florida.................................................................. 1916 91 1,211 1,020 0 .543
Auburn................................................................. 1906 104 1,215 1,056 1 .535
South Carolina.................................................. 1909 102 1,273 1,112 1 .534
Georgia................................................................ 1906 105 1,261 1,174 0 .518
Mississippi.......................................................... 1909 100 1,131 1,192 0 .487

Numbers:
First - First Year of program
Second - Number of years with an active program
Third - Number of Wins
Fourth - Number of Losses
Fifth - Number of Ties
Sixth - Win Pct.

Couple of other tidbits:
We've held the nation's highest winning percentage in two separate seasons. Only two other SEC teams have ever claimed the nations highest winning percentage: Kentucky (5) and Arkansas (1).

We're one of only two SEC teams to have an individual player with a major game, season, or career high record (Varnado - Career blocked shots). Pistol Pete at LSU is the only other SEC Player.

Checking in with wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/w...pions#Men.27s_basketball we find that only Alabama, Tennessee, LSU, and Kentucky have won more regular season championships and only Kentucky, Alabama, and Tennessee have won more SEC tournaments. Add to that, we won the West more than anybody ever did and, unless divisions reemerge, ever will.

We're also one of the six SEC teams to make a Final Four appearance.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">Moreover, if you go to http://www.sports-referen...onferences/sec/2011.html and start to look at our Winning Pct over the past 20 years, we end up, out of SEC teams, with an SEC (.500) and Overall (.599) 5th best from 90-2000 and the 4th best SEC (.574) and 3rd best Overall (.656) from 2001-2011. Look at a combined 1990-2011, we rank third in both SEC (.540) and Overall (.631) win PCT. Only Kentucky and Florida rank higher.</span> <span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">

Again... Only Kentucky and Florida rank higher.</span>

So while you can find plenty of incomplete stats to **** on us mercilessly, don't pretend that when it comes to basketball Mississippi State isn't at the <span style="font-style: italic;">very least</span> in the top half of the conference. In fact, I think you'd be hard pressed to make the case that, as a program, Mississippi State couldn't be considered in the top third. One good tournament run in the Stans era would actually cement that I think.

 

[Coach34]

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[patdog]

Apparently scheduling easy wins in non-conference games is not anything that Stans brought to MSU. Even still, that shows us as being in the bottom half of the conference.

 

[hopper21]

All I'm saying is that it doesn't give a complete picture.

Taking a conference schedule and pick a random portion of time and presenting that as 'the troof' isn't exactly intellectually honest.

Plus including Arkansas and SC for their 13 years compared to everyone else's 50 isn't right either.

Again, can you honestly say that State's basketball program is NOT in the top half of SEC's basketball programs?

 

[patdog]

But historically, over the entire history of the SEC (not just some random time period), our program has been one of the worst. Coach34's whole argument is that what Stans has done at MSU isn't that impressive because our programhas historically beenone of the better ones in the conference. I'm simply exposing his lie.

 

[KurtRambis4]

you bash our SEC accomplishments when Stansbury is the subject sometimes, and sometimes use them to support your dubmass basketball points.

 

[Coach34]

But historically, over the entire history of the SEC (not just some random time period), our program has been one of the worst. Coach34's whole argument is that what Stans has done at MSU isn't that impressive because our programhas historically beenone of the better ones in the conference. I'm simply exposing his lie.

I'm simply pointing out that our program has been in the top half of the SEC for 50 years- not 14 <div>
</div><div>You can talk about how much we sucked in the 70's and 80's all you want- but it still doesnt change the fact that we have more SEC titles than half the conference. It's not our fault the other schools in the conference cant win any damn titles.</div><div>
</div><div>Let me ask you this- who has been more successful during Stands tenure- State or LSU? We have 1 SEC title and have won more games- they have 3 SEC titles, a Sweet 16, and a Final Four. I would say LSU has been more successful. Just because we have won a few more SEC games doesnt trump hardware and NCAA Tourney success. We are more consistent, they are more successful.</div>

 

[patdog]

We only have 4. 1962, 1963, 1991, & 2004. Two of those were shared (1962 & 1991), and as I've pointed out before in 1991 Kentucky had a better record than either MSU or LSU did. Once again, you've used an arbitrary number of years to twist and distort something to try to prove a point that even you know is a lie. I could just as easily say in the last 48 years we only have one undisputed SEC title and Stans won it, so he's obviously the best coach we've ever had.