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bballcat4

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as they seem after a big win. I wrote this a few weeks ago in regards to how the bad loss to Southern Miss. put the fanbase in bad tailspin. It was really just a bad 2 qtrs. Granted, it was an atrocious 2 qtrs. Since I've already written about fanbases swinging too far emotionally after a bad loss, I think tonight is a good time to be reminded of the 2nd part of that same principle.

This isn't an anti Stoops post. I wrote several times last week that I thought his time management at the end of the game was very good. The announcers made a statement and everyone hopped on the bandwagon, but the tape never lies.

Today was a huge win for Stoops and a huge win for UK. But, UK will continue having bad losses and big wins for the next few years. That's part of building a program in the SEC from shambles.

I like (and have liked for the last 2 years) the direction the program is going. For the naysayers who say the SEC wins are against Vandy, MSU, Mo & SC ... UK was an underdog in at least 2 of these games. (I don't remember the Vegas lines for Vandy & SC.) 2 of these games were on the road. Vandy has beat Ga. and SC is tough at home. Things only change in the SEC (or any league) when some teams are down and other teams take advantage of it. My guess is that the same people who say our wins are against bad SEC teams are people who did not expect UK to win those games. Some fans even seem upset that we won.

Hiring Gran was a great move by Stoops. Stoops has confidence in Gran which allows Stoops to focus in his specialty. Stoops and Elliott have good chemistry and nothing should change there. (This is assuming Elliott is okay with staying in this role.) I'm sure Stoops will continue to let DJ keep the coordinator title. I think Barker is the better quarterback and opens up more options for the offense and I don't think the first half against Southern Miss was a fluke. However, Johnson is a winner and forcing the offense to run more than they originally planned made the offensive line more physical. Most coaches will tell you that you can teach a run oriented lineman to pass protect, but getting a pass oriented lineman to run block takes time. Being forced to the run game has been a blessing in disguise. Our offensive line (once considered a weakness) is now aggressive and bulldozing SEC defenses. Seeing the coaching adjustments and player development from game 1 to today is very encouraging.

It will be interesting to see how UK plays with the bowl pressure off. (I'm assuming a win against AP.) It will be interesting to see how Stoops and staff coach with the bowl pressure off. Here's my guess. UK will be super aggressive the rest of the way. I expect more blitzing, on-side kicks, trick plays, fake field goals, energy, etc... He's playing with house money & momentum is a tremendous weapon when it's working in your favor. He may not venture too far from the script, but I expect some of the above as the season wraps up.

We weren't as bad as many were writing during the first 4 weeks. We're not as good as some think and are writing tonight. But, we're right where a program should be when you're trying to build something that's never happened before. I'm not forgetting some of our good years. I think Stoops and UK are trying to get beyond a few good years and build a program that can consistently win 8+ games. That doesn't happen overnight. I don't expect for it to happen next year. I do think getting bowl eligible becomes normal and getting to 7-9 wins on a consistent basis happens in the next 2-3 years.
 

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I cannot agree.

Losing is irrelevant and winning is all the good things.

My biggest wish for this message board is people stop tying to piss in the kool-aid with their "reality" nonsense for 24 hours and enjoy the hell out of the good things. Or at the very least, let others do it without all the "yeah, buts".

We don't often go at least .500 in the SEC. Go nuts.
 

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I believe this is only the second time we have won 4 conference games since going to two divisions 25 years ago...it is a huge win.
Very happy for Stoops and the team. They need to do some more damage next week and put the pressure on Florida
 

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I cannot agree.

Losing is irrelevant and winning is all the good things.

My biggest wish for this message board is people stop tying to piss in the kool-aid with their "reality" nonsense for 24 hours and enjoy the hell out of the good things. Or at the very least, let others do it without all the "yeah, buts".

We don't often go at least .500 in the SEC. Go nuts.
Agreed. The WORST case scenario is that we go 500 in the SEC AND the regular season and lose a bowl game. At the beginning of the season, I would have taken that in a heartbeat, and after our first two games, and the first half of the third game, I would have considered it an impossibility. And we could have a much better result than that.
 

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Yep. Right on point. Hope Coach doesn't hold a grudge after the way some treated him. Seems like he is coaching with a chip on his shoulder. Some of that garbage was way wrong and those rude idiots calling in to his show. Wouldn't blame him if he gave the fan base the middle finger after this season and moved on. Even Purdue might look good to him after some of the crap he heard. He's a Big 10 guy. UK fans love you when you win and also stick by you when you don't lose.
 

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Yep. Right on point. Hope Coach doesn't hold a grudge after the way some treated him. Seems like he is coaching with a chip on his shoulder. Some of that garbage was way wrong and those rude idiots calling in to his show. Wouldn't blame him if he gave the fan base the middle finger after this season and moved on. Even Purdue might look good to him after some of the crap he heard. He's a Big 10 guy. UK fans love you when you win and also stick by you when you don't lose.

No way. He has way too much invested here to leave at this point. Plus, uprooting gran and hinshaw after one year would be silly. He's spent four years getting this roster where it's competitive.
 

WildcatofNati

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No way. He has way too much invested here to leave at this point. Plus, uprooting gran and hinshaw after one year would be silly. He's spent four years getting this roster where it's competitive.
Agreed. I don't know what his personal thoughts are, but I watch the way he believes in his team, and I am watching the way that he believes in his plan. Not to mention, it's not likely that any power team is calling his agent after this year, unless he wins out, including Louisville. I find it hard to believe that he's looking at places like Purdue.
 

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I cannot agree.

Losing is irrelevant and winning is all the good things.

My biggest wish for this message board is people stop tying to piss in the kool-aid with their "reality" nonsense for 24 hours and enjoy the hell out of the good things. Or at the very least, let others do it without all the "yeah, buts".

We don't often go at least .500 in the SEC. Go nuts.

Think you misread by post. I'm not trying to rain on any parade. I defended Stoops when it wasn't in vogue to do so. As stated in my OP, I disagree with those who say our SEC wins are against weak teams. (Btw - That SC win on the road looks a little better now ;-)

My point is that fanbases have emotional swings after bad losses and good wins. The program is in the middle of both extremes. This reality isn't negative. Today was a great win for Stoops and the program. It should get some of the negative people off his back that have been riding his back like a horse the last 2 years.

I think he'll pull out all the stops over the next few weeks in an attempt to pull off a couple upsets.
 

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I believe this is only the second time we have won 4 conference games since going to two divisions 25 years ago...it is a huge win.
Very happy for Stoops and the team. They need to do some more damage next week and put the pressure on Florida

It's the 5th time.

Curry once.

Mumme twice.

Brooks once.

Stoops once.
 
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My point is that fanbases have emotional swings after bad losses and good wins. The program is in the middle of both extremes. This reality isn't negative. Today was a great win for Stoops and the program. It should get some of the negative people off his back that have been riding his back like a horse the last 2 years.

My point is stop worrying about extremes and take a day to revel. Dream the dream. We can get real later. It was a big moment for the program today. Just let it be as good as folk want without qualifiers.
 

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Yep. Right on point. Hope Coach doesn't hold a grudge after the way some treated him. Seems like he is coaching with a chip on his shoulder. Some of that garbage was way wrong and those rude idiots calling in to his show. Wouldn't blame him if he gave the fan base the middle finger after this season and moved on. Even Purdue might look good to him after some of the crap he heard. He's a Big 10 guy. UK fans love you when you win and also stick by you when you don't lose.
Yeah, why can't we be like other fan bases? They never get down on their Coach. If the coach is losing they just say, good try. Bo Pelini can tell you how fan bases are, or Les Miles. Don't act like it is unique at UK for Coaches that are losing to be critisized. Stoops even said it was warranted at the time.
 

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I have some bad news for some of you.

If we end up becoming a solid program year in and year out people will still complain.

And that's not always bad.

It is not horrible to complain about a DB getting burnt when you win by a couple of TDs..

Bama fans complain, UK basketball fans complain.

Some people just do not want to hear it, but this is a forum for discussion.

In the end all of us want the same thing, people just see the process diffferently.
 

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My point is stop worrying about extremes and take a day to revel. Dream the dream. We can get real later. It was a big moment for the program today. Just let it be as good as folk want without qualifiers.

Big difference between enjoying a great win and having false expectations based on raw emotions. I reveled in the win. I was late going on date night with my wife because I was watching the game ... even though I knew we won. (I was watching it from DVR because I couldn't catch the start time.) She complained because I was reading stats on my phone during movie previews. Trust me ... no one enjoyed the win more than me.

You're a logical poster and we'll have to agree to disagree on celebration and reality. But, we both know that many fans are talking about running the table on the rest of the schedule when a few weeks ago, the only thing they wanted to run, was run Stoops out of town. It's that kind of emotional swing that's simply not logical.
 

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I have some bad news for some of you.

If we end up becoming a solid program year in and year out people will still complain.

And that's not always bad.

It is not horrible to complain about a DB getting burnt when you win by a couple of TDs..

Bama fans complain, UK basketball fans complain.

Some people just do not want to hear it, but this is a forum for discussion.

In the end all of us want the same thing, people just see the process diffferently.

Sure. But can we not take one day to enjoy the ups of a program with so many historic downs without people proving how smart they are by being "real" in the face of celebration?
 

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I have some bad news for some of you.

If we end up becoming a solid program year in and year out people will still complain.

And that's not always bad.

It is not horrible to complain about a DB getting burnt when you win by a couple of TDs..

Bama fans complain, UK basketball fans complain.

Some people just do not want to hear it, but this is a forum for discussion.

In the end all of us want the same thing, people just see the process diffferently.

I agree. Fanbases that care will complain. You called out some of the fans today in another post that I'm referring to. (BTW - good job with your research.) The "fire Stoops" crowd from a few weeks ago to the "he's Bear Bryant reincarnate" are people that need to realize the program is somewhere between those two extremes.
 
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Who gives a rip if it's logical? It's sports. Go nuts. Let's run the table and compete for the SEC championship tonight.

LOL - It's hard to talk logic with a guy who says, "who gives a rip if it's logical."

We're both passionate fans that are happy with the win. That's enough common ground for me.

Hope we're on here same time next week talking about another victory.

Peace out.
 
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Sure. But can we not take one day to enjoy the ups of a program with so many historic downs without people proving how smart they are by being "real" in the face of celebration?


Why are you trying to control how people react?

99% here are very happy.

People start talking about running the table then conversation will ensue.

This is not a pep rally facebook page.

Long, long, long time posters here. Seen it all.

We actually heard the exact same stuff you are saying now the last 2 years and then pissed the bed going 1-10 to end those seasons.

So let's not jump everyone's butt too bad.
 

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Sorry I have no desire to read your thesis.
However what is your stance on winning 3 straight and 5 of 6?
Let me guess...not good?
Fin Debbie Downers!
I hope you self righteous goobers realize the last time UK won 4 straight in the SEC...and with a win in Ky against a piss poor UGA...we will do just that!
 

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Wow Edgar get a life. Digging up a post from 2 mths ago after we lost a heartbreaker to Southern Miss at home.
I won't go back and dig up all the garbage you Stoops haters spewed after the Bama loss.
I won't eat crow for a post were I said I will always pull for UK after none of you pusses would stand up and eat crow in my thread.
But I don't come on here post after post and rip Stoops like a lot of you do.
I'm a true fan so suck it.
 

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I have some bad news for some of you.

If we end up becoming a solid program year in and year out people will still complain.

And that's not always bad.


It is not horrible to complain about a DB getting burnt when you win by a couple of TDs..

Bama fans complain, UK basketball fans complain.

Some people just do not want to hear it, but this is a forum for discussion.

In the end all of us want the same thing, people just see the process diffferently.
People that ***** today are bitches.
 

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Wow Edgar get a life. Digging up a post from 2 mths ago after we lost a heartbreaker to Southern Miss at home.
I won't go back and dig up all the garbage you Stoops haters spewed after the Bama loss.
I won't eat crow for a post were I said I will always pull for UK.
But I don't come on here post after post and rip Stoops like a lot of you do.
I'm a true fan so suck it.


Stop slamming other posters acting like you never said anything negative.

Hypocrite.

Pull my posts.

I criticized but never gave up like you did.

I never said to boycott games and Stoops was an idiot worse than Joker like your twin brother @UKWinsAgainYep did.

Yet you two come out here and chastise others?

Stop throwing stones or you may get hit by one of your own.
 
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Dude, you must have a team working for you to research previous posts!

I'm amazed at how much some of these people who hated on Stoops and the program are wanting to call others "Debbie Downers." I'm sure Kwilt43's acct was hacked in those earlier posts you linked. I'm sure he didn't write those things then come on here and write what he did above ;-)

I wouldn't make fun of him if he had more decorum ;-)
 

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Wow Edgar get a life. Digging up a post from 2 mths ago after we lost a heartbreaker to Southern Miss at home.
I won't go back and dig up all the garbage you Stoops haters spewed after the Bama loss.
I won't eat crow for a post were I said I will always pull for UK after none of you pusses would stand up and eat crow in my thread.
But I don't come on here post after post and rip Stoops like a lot of you do.
I'm a true fan so suck it.
You have very little credibility with me. You are like Willie, the Old Stoll Field Guy. You hate our coach when we are losing, but love him when we are winning. Cheering for something other than the team.
 
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Poetax

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Wow Edgar get a life. Digging up a post from 2 mths ago after we lost a heartbreaker to Southern Miss at home.
I won't go back and dig up all the garbage you Stoops haters spewed after the Bama loss.
I won't eat crow for a post were I said I will always pull for UK after none of you pusses would stand up and eat crow in my thread.
But I don't come on here post after post and rip Stoops like a lot of you do.
I'm a true fan so suck it.

I would just back off if I got busted that badly, that's good advice too.
 
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I apologize for calling people out.
I didn't give up on the team...I posted in anger and frustration which is wrong.
No one is perfect. You Stoops haters can hate, I can be who I am...we all want the same thing I hope and that is for UK to be relevant in football.
Well guess what guys? We are relevant!
I apologize for being a dick and acting holier than thou and calling you guys names..truely not my character.
They say act like you have been there before..well, I never really have been where UK has a chance to go this yr so I goofed.
Please accept my apologies all of you if you can. If you can't I can live with that too.
Peace brothers.
 
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I apologize for calling people out.
I didn't give up on the team...I posted in anger and frustration which is wrong.
No one is perfect. You Stoops haters can hate, I can be who I am...we all want the same thing I hope and that is for UK to be relevant in football.
Well guess what guys? We are relevant!
I apologize for being a dick and acting holier than thou and calling you guys names..truely not my character.
They say act like you have been there before..well, I never really have been where UK has a chance to go this yr so I goofed.
Please accept my apologies all of you if you can. If you can't I can live with that too.
Peace brothers.


No problem, there were many that let their emotions run their keyboard.
 

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I apologize for calling people out.
I didn't give up on the team...I posted in anger and frustration which is wrong.
No one is perfect. You Stoops haters can hate, I can be who I am...we all want the same thing I hope and that is for UK to be relevant in football.
Well guess what guys? We are relevant!
I apologize for being a dick and acting holier than thou and calling you guys names..truely not my character.
They say act like you have been there before..well, I never really have been where UK has a chance to go this yr so I goofed.
Please accept my apologies all of you if you can. If you can't I can live with that too.
Peace brothers.
still have no credibility with me.
 
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still have no credibility with me.

And you know what? Having Cred with you makes absolutely zero difference to me.
I said my piece and I feel better.
The man upstairs has my back wether you do or not.
Just don't think your perfect pal or it will be your demise.
 

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And you know what? Having Cred with you makes absolutely zero difference to me.
I said my piece and I feel better.
The man upstairs has my back wether you do or not.
Just don't think your perfect pal or it will be your demise.
peace, whether and you're. It is easy to say whatever you want and just apologize when you are wrong. Watch TV, you will see. Learn to spell.
 

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I apologize for calling people out.
I didn't give up on the team...I posted in anger and frustration which is wrong.
No one is perfect. You Stoops haters can hate, I can be who I am...we all want the same thing I hope and that is for UK to be relevant in football.
Well guess what guys? We are relevant!
I apologize for being a dick and acting holier than thou and calling you guys names..truely not my character.
They say act like you have been there before..well, I never really have been where UK has a chance to go this yr so I goofed.
Please accept my apologies all of you if you can. If you can't I can live with that too.
Peace brothers.

Peace accepted.

Still don't know how I got labeled a "Stoops hater." I publically called out the ESPN announcers last week after I re-watched the last series. I was public about thinking last week's game mgt was very good. I recommended patience with Stoops the last few years.

I enjoyed today's win and savored the moment of being where we are in the SEC. I don't buy the "we've only beaten bad SEC teams." Vandy beat Ga. Ga should have beaten UT. SC did beat UT. These last 4 games were not against the best in the SEC, but all 4 of them are capable of beating anyone outside of Ala. The fact we beat all 4 in a row speaks volumes about how Stoops has made adjustments and rallied the team.

I just hope people trust the process and don't bail out from attending like they have the last few games. We'll have some more bad losses in this process over the next couple years. Things are not as bad as they seem after a bad loss or as good as they seem after good wins. Commitment to the process by the fans (not sticking our heads in the sand) can speed up the process of having and sustaining the program we all want.

Peace out.
 
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peace, whether and you're. It is easy to say whatever you want and just apologize when you are wrong. Watch TV, you will see. Learn to spell.
No its not easy to apologize.
Have you ever done it?
Have you ever been wrong?
In your mind? Because I know you have.
 

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No its not easy to apologize.
Have you ever done it?
Have you ever been wrong?
In your mind? Because I know you have.
This post is nonsense. Don't try to turn it around and act like you are being a "stand up" guy for apologizing. You only did it because you got busted. To answer your questions, I've apologized when I realized I was wrong, and I did that before I got embarrassed on a message board. I've been wrong before, sure, not often though. You really can't be wrong when you are just posting your opinion, unless you change your mind and act like you didn't have an opinion you actually had, just to be a butt head and try to make other people on here look bad. Pull all of my posts if you'd like. Being wrong is one thing. Being an absolute hypocrite is another.
 

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as they seem after a big win. I wrote this a few weeks ago in regards to how the bad loss to Southern Miss. put the fanbase in bad tailspin. It was really just a bad 2 qtrs. Granted, it was an atrocious 2 qtrs. Since I've already written about fanbases swinging too far emotionally after a bad loss, I think tonight is a good time to be reminded of the 2nd part of that same principle.

This isn't an anti Stoops post. I wrote several times last week that I thought his time management at the end of the game was very good. The announcers made a statement and everyone hopped on the bandwagon, but the tape never lies.

Today was a huge win for Stoops and a huge win for UK. But, UK will continue having bad losses and big wins for the next few years. That's part of building a program in the SEC from shambles.

I like (and have liked for the last 2 years) the direction the program is going. For the naysayers who say the SEC wins are against Vandy, MSU, Mo & SC ... UK was an underdog in at least 2 of these games. (I don't remember the Vegas lines for Vandy & SC.) 2 of these games were on the road. Vandy has beat Ga. and SC is tough at home. Things only change in the SEC (or any league) when some teams are down and other teams take advantage of it. My guess is that the same people who say our wins are against bad SEC teams are people who did not expect UK to win those games. Some fans even seem upset that we won.

Hiring Gran was a great move by Stoops. Stoops has confidence in Gran which allows Stoops to focus in his specialty. Stoops and Elliott have good chemistry and nothing should change there. (This is assuming Elliott is okay with staying in this role.) I'm sure Stoops will continue to let DJ keep the coordinator title. I think Barker is the better quarterback and opens up more options for the offense and I don't think the first half against Southern Miss was a fluke. However, Johnson is a winner and forcing the offense to run more than they originally planned made the offensive line more physical. Most coaches will tell you that you can teach a run oriented lineman to pass protect, but getting a pass oriented lineman to run block takes time. Being forced to the run game has been a blessing in disguise. Our offensive line (once considered a weakness) is now aggressive and bulldozing SEC defenses. Seeing the coaching adjustments and player development from game 1 to today is very encouraging.

It will be interesting to see how UK plays with the bowl pressure off. (I'm assuming a win against AP.) It will be interesting to see how Stoops and staff coach with the bowl pressure off. Here's my guess. UK will be super aggressive the rest of the way. I expect more blitzing, on-side kicks, trick plays, fake field goals, energy, etc... He's playing with house money & momentum is a tremendous weapon when it's working in your favor. He may not venture too far from the script, but I expect some of the above as the season wraps up.

We weren't as bad as many were writing during the first 4 weeks. We're not as good as some think and are writing tonight. But, we're right where a program should be when you're trying to build something that's never happened before. I'm not forgetting some of our good years. I think Stoops and UK are trying to get beyond a few good years and build a program that can consistently win 8+ games. That doesn't happen overnight. I don't expect for it to happen next year. I do think getting bowl eligible becomes normal and getting to 7-9 wins on a consistent basis happens in the next 2-3 years.
Dam fine post. Good positive summary of where things stand.
 
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And you know what? Having Cred with you makes absolutely zero difference to me.
I said my piece and I feel better.
The man upstairs has my back wether you do or not.
Just don't think your perfect pal or it will be your demise.
I think I get that you were a bit upset when you posted what some here want to rag on you about. You admit you overreacted. Fine. Don't know what else people expect. Maybe if you commit hara kiri they'd think you meant it. If you do, post it on YouTube afterwards.
 
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This post is nonsense. Don't try to turn it around and act like you are being a "stand up" guy for apologizing. You only did it because you got busted. To answer your questions, I've apologized when I realized I was wrong, and I did that before I got embarrassed on a message board. I've been wrong before, sure, not often though. You really can't be wrong when you are just posting your opinion, unless you change your mind and act like you didn't have an opinion you actually had, just to be a butt head and try to make other people on here look bad. Pull all of my posts if you'd like. Being wrong is one thing. Being an absolute hypocrite is another.
Blazer, thanks for helping me see the light.
I agree that I said some things in my post that did give up on the team and Stoops and then for me to come back and say the things I said about others who did virtually the same thing was hypocritical.
Thanks to you and Brian Poe for calling me out...I obviously needed it.
Go Cats.
 
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When you're a 4-5 win team, your coach is an idiot because he can't win 6-7.
When you win 6-7, you need a coach that can get to the next level and win 8-9.
When you win 8-9, how come you didn't win the East division?
So you won the East, why didn't you win the SEC Championship?
He won the SEC, but he can't win the big one because he lost in the playoffs.
He's gone to the NFL, but that's ok because he wasn't any good anyway.

Fans have expectations which are rarely met. It's not their job to be reasonable.