A SIMPLE LOOK AT THIS MESSAGE BOARD WILL GIVE YOU A LONG LONG LIST..........did typing it all caps make it more clear????
This Gaslighting by administration sycophants is the real problem
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OK, I'll go with that but what's the solution? I ask that as someone who has no clue what UK should do.
You mad, bro?
I'm on this board every day. Those who want MB fired cite the same ole BS, while ignoring the facts I laid out earlier in this thread.
Firing MB isn't going to change the fact that UK football is struggling....and has for the past 40 years +.
Since you and Prime MF know what's best, I ask both of you: 1) Who do you hire as AD; 2) Who do you hire as football coach for Game 3?
Can't blame Barney for hiring Stoops, but the extension now looks like a "fireable offense."
Maybe, maybe not. At the time the contract was agreed upon UK was doing well, and recruiting was going really well. At the time it was a great idea.
Let's say the opposite was true. Stoops took us to bowls the last couple of years, we are doing well now and MB did nothing as far as a contract extension is concerned.....people would be bitching at MB for NOT doing something and would blame him of Stoops left UK for "greener pastures".
Hindsight is 20/20....but at the time, the extension made sense.
Being an AD is a tough job; it's impossible to really know how most hires are going to work out. I don't blame MB at all for hiring Stoops.
However, if you look at his body of work, it's getting to the point that I'm surprised he still is employed at UK and that his contract extension to Stopps should be the last straw.
However, if you look at his body of work, it's getting to the point that I'm surprised he still is employed at UK and that his contract extension to Stopps should be the last straw.
Two big hires have been bad: Joker and BCG. Stoops is turning out to be bad.
Im not hopeful he turns it around, but people weren't hopeful that Brooks would turn it around mid season in 2006, and it happened.
Except Brooks and Cal but yes the others have not worked out. Furthermore, no many thought Stoops was a bad hire at the time.
Can ANYONE imagine Mitch Barnhart going out and raising the money needed to make the CWS renovation, the practice facility improvements AND the money needed to hire a top level head coach, WITHOUT, the $30,000,000 he gets each year just for being an SEC member school? I realize all other SEC AD's are in the same boat, but there is no way Barnie could do it. Fund raising is one of the primary criteria for a successful AD. His inability to properly fund raise AND make successful Head Coaching hiring decisions tells me his is adjunct failure as an SEC AD. Plus, his boss Capilouto thinks he hung the moon. Unbelievable.
Well this was an enlightening thread. What have we learned class? We have learned that the "REAL" problem is the fans. If the fans would just stop going to the games and stop watching the games then they could fire the damn coach and AD! Problem solved!
We have also learned that "gaslighting" which is a term used to describe a form a psychological abuse, can be twisted and used to describe college athletics and their fans.
My personal favorite "sycophant", a term used to describe people who praise powerful people in order to gain an advantage. I don't know about you guys, but I sure as hell don't donate to the K club or anything for UK. I'm just an average guy who loves UK football. I'm flattered that someone would think I had the ability or means to try to persuade someone of importance to gain their favor or an advantage.
Honestly every time I see those two words used on this board I think to myself "holy ****, someone needs some medication", it's almost like the Lairs version of the Kardashians, or some other Californian over dramatic drama queen show. I've met very few people who don't understand that people have opinions, and most of the time they are different from theirs.
I still can't wrap my mind around a fan being happy and gloating about being right about how bad the program is right now. It's almost as if them being right is more important than the product on the field. The win at any cost mentality is also slightly disturbing. I'm all for finding a replacement for Stoops and feel Mitch should be removed from all football related decisions. I honestly haven't seen many "barney apologist" here, if any. What I have seen are people who have a bit of business sense and realize it's not as easy as just fire him or Stoops at this point in time. It's easy for some to be an armchair president because they have zero clue about the details in the contracts other than what is printed for the public.
We have also learned that "gaslighting" which is a term used to describe a form a psychological abuse, can be twisted and used to describe college athletics and their fans.
My personal favorite "sycophant", a term used to describe people who praise powerful people in order to gain an advantage. I don't know about you guys, but I sure as hell don't donate to the K club or anything for UK. I'm just an average guy who loves UK football. I'm flattered that someone would think I had the ability or means to try to persuade someone of importance to gain their favor or an advantage.
Honestly every time I see those two words used on this board I think to myself "holy ****, someone needs some medication", it's almost like the Lairs version of the Kardashians, or some other Californian over dramatic drama queen show. I've met very few people who don't understand that people have opinions, and most of the time they are different from theirs.
I still can't wrap my mind around a fan being happy and gloating about being right about how bad the program is right now. It's almost as if them being right is more important than the product on the field. The win at any cost mentality is also slightly disturbing. I'm all for finding a replacement for Stoops and feel Mitch should be removed from all football related decisions. I honestly haven't seen many "barney apologist" here, if any. What I have seen are people who have a bit of business sense and realize it's not as easy as just fire him or Stoops at this point in time. It's easy for some to be an armchair president because they have zero clue about the details in the contracts other than what is printed for the public.
Looks to me like everything Barnhart has done that's good is not of his doing. Yet, everything that turns out bad is all his fault. Correct?
There is good and bad done by Mitch, but the bad just happens to deal with the cash cow sport of the program. Basketball is back on the right track without him in the mix, so he should be removed from football as well. He has done enough for the rest of athletics to stay on and finish his contract. Anything after that would be absurd.
The President of the school made it known when he took over that academics was going to be his focal point, and it's hard to disagree with that stance for a major college president.
Home boy,
Why the hell do you keep bringing up the past 40 years? Is it the past Demon reading from the book of suck stopping us? A magical fairy sprinkling us with loser dust? I've asked 100 times and not one of the four of you have a decent answer?
You are whitewashing the most telling facts. Mitch has more resources to win at UK due recent SEC deals and ESPN revenue than ALL OF HIS FORMER AD's COMBINED! There's has never been an AD with this kind of worth and opportunity to throw around.
He's terrible and needs to go. No matter how many times the four of you pound the same drum over and over.
It is very difficult to support Coach Stoops after some of the screw-ups last year by the coaches, and his micro-managing. I actually thought we would be decent this year, but it's the same old ****, just excuses and he keeps saying, "We have to work harder." Well, we should have been working as hard as we could. Without going to a bowl, Coach Stoops need to be going in the unemployment line. Enough is enough!
OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
why on earth would you ask someone to list them? there's literally hundreds of threads on Lair that do exactly that. you have to have read them and you certainly didn't bring enough ammo to shoot them down because they continue to be posted more rapidly than any other topic. quit trying to pick fights
Actually it's listed all over the place, including IN THIS THREAD. You're just being childish.
12 million dollar buyout.
That should be enough for anybody who's not a relative of MB.
That's a really bad decision and he has made his share but to say the hiring of Brooks was lucky isn't fair. I'm just trying to be level handed
YUP tbis is 3 hires tbat Mitch has whiffed on!! BCG! ,JOKER, CMS, JUST TO REMIND THE MITCH SUNSHINE UP HIS BUTT PUMPERS!!
No I'm not. I'm just sick of your side of the argument as much as you are of "sycophant gaslights".
I think most on here agree that Stoops is not the right guy. I'd love to get rid of him after this season, but I'm also not the one signing a $12 million paycheck in order to do it. I'd like to think I wouldn't agree to that deal in the first place, but that's neither here nor there. However, anytime the anti Mitch threads pop up people need to realize he's not getting fired. It's fine if you don't like him and I like the passion the fans have. Here are the reasons he won't be fired:
UK makes a ton of money as an athletic program.
UK's student athletes get good grades.
UK has many sports that are succeeding.
UK has not had a scandal while MB has been in charge.
You tell me, with those facts why would President Capilouto or the BOT fire him? Because the football team blows? Look around the country and all of the schools getting into trouble. I highly doubt Eli wants to risk that in order to win some football games. From the perspective of the university president and BOT, Mitch is perfect. Fans may hate him, but if you look at it from their point of view, it is easy to see why he has a job. He does what helps the university's bottom line and keeps UK's reputation high while doing so. We can hate him all we want, but he's a good AD for the powers that be.
Mitch has made some bad hires and unfortunately it looks like we have to add Stoops to that list. I'm more than willing to admit he's made some terrible decisions. Stoops' contract being one of them. My problem with the general conversation about Mitch is that his detractors will refuse to give him credit for the good that is going on in UK athletics. If a non-revenue sport succeeds it's almost an insult to Mitch. It's perfectly fine you don't care about the softball team. Personally, I'm not very interested either. However, it's Barnhart's job to care and UK athletics as a whole has done pretty well with him at the helm. He has to get credit for that.
Another thing, the idea that Barnhart was forced to hire Cal isn't supported anywhere other than message boards. At least not that I've seen. If there's other information please share as I'd love to see it, in all honesty. The fact is Mitch was the AD when Cal was hired and should get some credit for that. The absolute refusal to give Mitch credit for anything hurts the Ditch Mitch folks. You can make a solid case against Mitch while still giving him credit for Cal. The refusal to do so makes it hard to think they're thinking rationally and are only operating on the hatred towards Mitch. I don't think Mitch is great by any means, but parties on both sides have to think rationally regarding the issue.
UK makes a ton of money as an athletic program.
UK's student athletes get good grades.
UK has many sports that are succeeding.
UK has not had a scandal while MB has been in charge.
You tell me, with those facts why would President Capilouto or the BOT fire him? Because the football team blows? Look around the country and all of the schools getting into trouble. I highly doubt Eli wants to risk that in order to win some football games. From the perspective of the university president and BOT, Mitch is perfect. Fans may hate him, but if you look at it from their point of view, it is easy to see why he has a job. He does what helps the university's bottom line and keeps UK's reputation high while doing so. We can hate him all we want, but he's a good AD for the powers that be.
Mitch has made some bad hires and unfortunately it looks like we have to add Stoops to that list. I'm more than willing to admit he's made some terrible decisions. Stoops' contract being one of them. My problem with the general conversation about Mitch is that his detractors will refuse to give him credit for the good that is going on in UK athletics. If a non-revenue sport succeeds it's almost an insult to Mitch. It's perfectly fine you don't care about the softball team. Personally, I'm not very interested either. However, it's Barnhart's job to care and UK athletics as a whole has done pretty well with him at the helm. He has to get credit for that.
Another thing, the idea that Barnhart was forced to hire Cal isn't supported anywhere other than message boards. At least not that I've seen. If there's other information please share as I'd love to see it, in all honesty. The fact is Mitch was the AD when Cal was hired and should get some credit for that. The absolute refusal to give Mitch credit for anything hurts the Ditch Mitch folks. You can make a solid case against Mitch while still giving him credit for Cal. The refusal to do so makes it hard to think they're thinking rationally and are only operating on the hatred towards Mitch. I don't think Mitch is great by any means, but parties on both sides have to think rationally regarding the issue.
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A contract extension sure. Give him a few years with a nice bump.to.suow a vote of confidence and approval of his progress to date. A $12 million buyout made no sense whatsoever. It would be considered absurd at even the big boy football schools. Stoops had won a total of 7 games then, only 5 that season. We were not even bowl eligible yet. We pointed it out then and now we have the noose hanging there. Extension yes/buyout no.
The contract extension was announced Oct 31, 2014, roughly 2 weeks after UK beat South Carolina when we were 5-1. UK was 5-3 at the time it was announced.
Again, hindsight is 20/20 and AT THE TIME, it made sense.
MB didn't foresee UK losing its last 6 in a row when the details were being hammered out and agreed upon. In fact, no one did.
Well seeing as how you are the ONLY person I have ever heard use both terms like most people use and, but, then...I mean 9/10 of your post use both terms. I think it's awesome that you look up words in a dictionary and see how many times you can use them in a month. Just let us know what words your gonna pick for next month that way we can all know what the hell you're trying to say.
sycophant, and gaslighting to describe UK football and it's fan base...:joy:
You seriously need to get a grip.
The next hire for UK football will be very telling about how UK football is viewed in the coaching community. We now have adequate if not top notch facilities, we have shown we can spend money, we have show we can recruit at a higher level (not top level). So with all that said, if we strike out with big names, with the newly built in advantages what will that say? It will say that UK football no matter what is done is seen as a career killer and dead end job. I hope it doesn't turn out that way, and we can grab someone proven who just needs to revive their career. Time will tell, I suppose.
I love when people cite Stoops recruiting as something that is great. How good IS his recruiting? Maybe good compared to Joker. Is it good compared to Alabama's? Georgia's? Tennessee's? I like to think the result of good recruiting shows on the field. So how good is it?
I don't think it made sense the time. Things were going well but it was during the easy half of the season. We all saw how the second half played out. At the end of the day you just can't give a coach that kind of contract until he proves something. MB doesn't know football.
No, it didn't and I already addressed this at length in another post. No SEC school worth a lick is going to give a guy a $12 million buyout and extension after winning only 5 games up to that point no matter how much momentum it felt like was building. He still hadn't won 6 or proven anything. Hindsight is only 20/20 for those of you who were too blind to see then. Many of us did not agree with the decision to do it then because it was jumping the gun. We knew our schedule was backloaded and heavy on front end cupcakes. All wins are not created equally.At 5-1, 5-3, whatever, it only made sense to look at doing an extension which is what we said then. Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Auburn, Florida.....not a damn one of them would do something that stupid.
IT WAS MID-SEASON so there was no chance he could be hired away. it was too early. stoopidly too early
Historically speaking for UK his recruiting has been very good. No, it's not Alabama, Georgia or Tennessee level, but it's the best we have ever seen.
The reason for all the anger and the majority wanting Stoops and Mitch fired are because the contract made/makes no sense (Mitch's doing), and the product on the field doesn't match the recruiting (Stoop's fault).
MF is seriously over-thinking and over-analyzing this whole thing. MF, my brother, stop worrying about this stuff so much and, you know, maybe take your woman out for nice time, get laid, or maybe smoke a joint and relax. It's not worth worrying about to the extent that you appear to be.
I think he retired because he was almost 100 years old and wanted to enjoy the rest of his life and money. :bread:
izza::beer::burger::cheers2::cookie::fries:Than MB is an idiot.
You don't extend a coach until he has actually achieved something worthy of a reward. Extending after 5 wins is as idiotic as dumping Gatorade on Guy Morriss before the LSU game ended.
UK football has sucked for far too long and Barnhart has not upgraded the on the field product whatsoever. UK is currently riding a wave of 6 straight losing seasons. A horrendous stretch that has not been done since the late 1960's to the early '70s.
Add in the fact that his only home run hire in a sport that actually makes money came only after shitting the bed 2 years prior and hiring that drunk Texan without even considering Cal because of Mitch's BS morality play. And there is zero doubt that Cal's hire came against his judgment and exhibit A is the fact that UK had to hire basketball specific admin in order to act as a buffer between Cal and Mitch.
What AD do you propose we get? And what coach do you want for Saturday? What's your plan?
Prime,
I've had my differences with you in the past, and I have made some not-so-flattering posts about you and directed to you in the past. For that, I'm sorry. I don't expect this to be the start of some sort of bromance between us, but I will start paying attention to your posts instead of ignoring them.
The scales have fallen off my eyes these past two weeks, and it's clear the FB program is not progressing. As I stated on another thread earlier today, I still support the program and players that care about winning, such as Jordan Jones. At the beginning, I thought Stoops was a solid if not spectacular hire. The recruiting and marketing hype under Stoops was far beyond what Joker could ever hope to accomplish, but that will only take you so far.
For the good of the program I've wanted Stoops to succeed, but the window for him to turn things around is closing fast. The USC game on 9/24 is for all practical purposes a must-win to restore even the slightest semblance of hope that things will get better under Stoops.