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This is the kind of win we've always seen from the losing side....

A team running the ball down our throat repeatedly and we can't do anything about it...

The tables have turned.

I'm calling it right now. This is a program-changing win. From here on out, UK goes to a bowl game every season under Stoops.

I felt this game would show if we've finally turned a corner. Could we come out in the 2nd Half and dominate?

Could we not choke a win away when we're on the verge of competing in the SEC East?

We answered those questions today. I feel this is the game where Stoops has turned the corner with the UK football program.

I have no doubt we will at least get 6 wins and go to a bowl now....

And we will even be better next season.

What say you?
 
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We'd always figured to be overtly better next year. Like the depth we should have at QB in particular.
 
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uky8unc5

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Stoops job was on the line today.
Stoops job is secure for next year.
So today was Anti-Coaching changing.
 
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I don't think beating a 2-5 team is a program changing win. A good win to have, yes, because it essentially assures us of a bowl game. We need to keep winning to get attention of recruits and the rest of the SEC. Important win? Yes. Program changing? No.
 
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JasonS. said:
I'd say let's have a win over a good team (maybe in Knoxville in a few weeks ...?) be our program-changing win.

But certainly a fun conversation to have.
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Fact is that even thought USC, Vandy, Miss St and Mizzou are not the same teams they were during their best wins...we still did not beat those teams in the past. We are winning the games that we are not favored in or slight favorites that we never used to.
 
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JBHolmesfan said:
I don't think beating a 2-5 team is a program changing win. A good win to have, yes, because it essentially assures us of a bowl game. We need to keep winning to get attention of recruits and the rest of the SEC. Important win? Yes. Program changing? No.
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See my post replying to Jason above.
 
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I think it probably is a program changing win, not so much for who we beat but for getting to 5 wins. With Austin Peay on the back end of the schedule, we are almost guaranteed to reach 6 wins at a minimum and reach bowl eligibility. That nets us an extra month of practice (which is huge) and clearly places the program on an upward trajectory which will be beneficial to recruiting and player/fan moral. Yes, today's win was a big deal for UK football, absolutely.
 
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No it's not a program changing win and Georgia won't be a program changing win either. In years past Georgia might be considered so but not this season they aren't even in the top 25.

There are still 3 games remaining that can possibly be considered program changing. 2 weeks from now against UT. The last game of the regular season vs UL. Last barring a monumental let down any bowl victory.

The real program changing win would be winning the east. By some miracle pulling out a win against Bama.
 
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uky8unc5 said:
Stoops job was on the line today.
Stoops job is secure for next year.
So today was Anti-Coaching changing.
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Total ********...now way stoops job was on the line today....where do these people come from! Rafters exit stage left.
 
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"Programming changing" is a bit of a stretch even for the games against very average UGA and UT teams.

But this UK team has a chance to do something the Wildcats haven't done in 40 YEARS -- have a winning record in the SEC. Best we have done since 1977 is .500. Hope to see CWS packed for the Georgia game.
 
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Please tell me how beating Mizzou on the road as a td underdog, beating Miss St who was a tD underdog and had beat us 7 straight times, and Vandy and USC where the spread were both pushes.... are beating the teams we are supposed to beat?? especially so to beat all 4 of them..

Program changing win is a relative phrase. Is it a monumental and historical change? No. But we haven't been to a bowl in 6 years and haven't won 4 SEC games for a decade! All this with 19 starters coming back next year, extra bowl practice, and the momentum now secure to bring in some very good additional recruits. Not to mention getting us over what felt like a Rocky mountain sized hump! Hell, getting the monkey off Stoops and the teams back is enormous by itself for the rest of the year and going forward. For those who have played sports, how massively important is it to believe you can win verses finding ways to lose?? this season will provide ALL of that now.

So, YES, it is a program changing win. Not a massive one but a very very significant one
 
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brianpoe

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Pike 96 said:
Please tell me how beating Mizzou on the road as a td underdog, beating Miss St who was a tD underdog and had beat us 7 straight times, and Vandy and USC where the spread were both pushes.... are beating the teams we are supposed to beat?? especially so to beat all 4 of them..

Program changing win is a relative phrase. Is it a monumental and historical change? No. But we haven't been to a bowl in 6 years and haven't won 4 SEC games for a decade! All this with 19 starters coming back next year, extra bowl practice, and the momentum now secure to bring in some very good additional recruits. Not to mention getting us over what felt like a Rocky mountain sized hump! Hell, getting the monkey off Stoops and the teams back is enormous by itself for the rest of the year and going forward. For those who have played sports, how massively important is it to believe you can win verses finding ways to lose?? this season will provide ALL of that now.

So, YES, it is a program changing win. Not a massive one but a very very significant one
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Beating a team that is favored against you isnt program changing.

Look at last year. Missouri ranked 25th when we played them ended up losing 6 of their last 7.

MSU is 2-5 without a P5 win. Combine these two are currently 4-11

We are beating those we should beat because we are the better team regardless of what gambles believe. That is a change, and a good one.

End of the season will tell you the good wins and bad losses.
 
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UPSCat4080 said:
Fact is that even thought USC, Vandy, Miss St and Mizzou are not the same teams they were during their best wins...we still did not beat those teams in the past. We are winning the games that we are not favored in or slight favorites that we never used to.
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Exactly, it's called baby steps. We are officially no longer cellar dwellers. We have to beat these teams before we can think about progressing to the level we need to be to beat the top tier teams. The Georgia game is now huge. Coach Stoops should be preaching going to Atlanta as motivation over getting bowl eligible.
 
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brianpoe said:
Beating a team that is favored against you isnt program changing.

Look at last year. Missouri ranked 25th when we played them ended up losing 6 of their last 7.

MSU is 2-5 without a P5 win. Combine these two are currently 4-11

We are beating those we should beat because we are the better team regardless of what gambles believe. That is a change, and a good one.

End of the season will tell you the good wins and bad losses.
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brianpos,

you're missing the point, like you usually do, and not giving Stoops and company credit.

This is program-changing specifically because we never used to win these games in the past...

We never used to beat 3 SEC teams in a row in the past....

We never ran the ball consistently down other SEC teams' throasts in the past...

We have turned a corner even though fans like you are trying to hold Stoops and company back and always smearing our program.
 
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Program changing from the standpoint that it basically puts us in a bowl game. It's not that UK won it's how they won, complete domination over a conference opponent. When was the last time UK rolled an SEC team like that?
 
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Every win starts changing the mentality of UK football. The players are believing they can win on the road and at home which is change. Any win against any team regardless of the record of those teams help to change the mentality of the past.
 
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UPSCat4080 said:
See my post replying to Jason above.
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I agree that this was an important win for us to allow us to continue to progress. I'm thrilled with the improvement. You can't compare beating Mizzou, USC, and Vandy to some of the teams they used to have even though Vandy has been bad all but a few years. The SEC is down. At 5-3 overall in the SEC is going to get most teams close to being ranked. We may only get 1 or 2 votes. It's worth noting the league is down, which is a reason for our success. That has to be accounted for.

If we're talking program chaining wins, I absolutely disagree. At the beginning of the season most people thought 6 wins was possible. Beating Mizzou was on the list of games we needed to get. I don't think this win changes anything in the sense of what the future of this team looks like. If a 4 star recruit is interested in us now because we beat 2-5 Mizzou then I'm not sure what they're looking at in a program. If we want to discuss program changing wins, if we beat UT and UGA than yes, those 2 wins would likely be program changing wins. We can talk about a program changing season. Just beating Mizzou isn't really that significant though.
 
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I agree that this was an important win for us to allow us to continue to progress. I'm thrilled with the improvement. You can't compare beating Mizzou, USC, and Vandy to some of the teams they used to have even though Vandy has been bad all but a few years. The SEC is down. At 5-3 overall in the SEC is going to get most teams close to being ranked. We may only get 1 or 2 votes. It's worth noting the league is down, which is a reason for our success. That has to be accounted for.

If we're talking program chaining wins, I absolutely disagree. At the beginning of the season most people thought 6 wins was possible. Beating Mizzou was on the list of games we needed to get. I don't think this win changes anything in the sense of what the future of this team looks like. If a 4 star recruit is interested in us now because we beat 2-5 Mizzou then I'm not sure what they're looking at in a program. If we want to discuss program changing wins, if we beat UT and UGA than yes, those 2 wins would likely be program changing wins. We can talk about a program changing season. Just beating Mizzou isn't really that significant though.
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You're not considering what would happen if we had lost....

Then, you're talking about 6 wins possibly not even being attainable....

You're talking about Stoops being back on the hot seat....

You're talking about recruiting going downward if we don't get to 6 wins....

This changes the whole trajectory of the UK program moving forward.
 
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UKWinsAgainYep said:
You're not considering what would happen if we had lost....

Then, you're talking about 6 wins possibly not even being attainable....

You're talking about Stoops being back on the hot seat....

You're talking about recruiting going downward if we don't get to 6 wins....

This changes the whole trajectory of the UK program moving forward.
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So it's staying afloat and keeping the status quo not changing the program in an incredible way on those arguments.
 
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