This is why offensive HC is a must at KY

[Jared1985]

I understand it's Bama, but not being able to score any meaningful points with all the talent we have on the field is a reflection of having a defensive minded HC.

"Small schools" that manage to put together winning seasons do it with OFFENSE. (TTU, TCU, Ole Miss ect ect).

TCU is a great example of a defensive minded smaller program. They were a defensive powerhouse in the MWC.

They went to the big 12 and had to switch to an offensive minded approach to remain competitive.

Stoops will never get it done here and neither would any other defensive minded coach.

 

[Mojocat_rivals48469]

Inclined to agree. It's always seemed to me you can scheme around a talent disadvantage on offense - but not on D. If the other guys are bigger, stronger, faster, and there are more of them, hard to do much with that. Just really hard to lineup and play a conventional pro-style offense or whatever and compete in this league.

 

[TBCat]

Agreed. No more defense guys. It just never ends well.

 

[Jared1985]

Inclined to agree. It's always seemed to me you can scheme around a talent disadvantage on offense - but not on D. If the other guys are bigger, stronger, faster, and there are more of them, hard to do much with that. Just really hard to lineup and play a conventional pro-style offense or whatever and compete in this league.

100%.

There are a FEW examples of defensive teams doing well will little talent (Vandy comes to mind last couple of seasons) but they rarely generate actual wins.

There have been PLENTY of teams that have fielded great offenses because of scheme rather than talent which is EXACTLY what we have to do.

 

[Blueaz]

I understand it's Bama, but not being able to score any meaningful points with all the talent we have on the field is a reflection of having a defensive minded HC.

"Small schools" that manage to put together winning seasons do it with OFFENSE. (TTU, TCU, Ole Miss ect ect).

TCU is a great example of a defensive minded smaller program. They were a defensive powerhouse in the MWC.

They went to the big 12 and had to switch to an offensive minded approach to remain competitive.

Stoops will never get it done here and neither would any other defensive minded coach.

Yea, not sure how the defensive minded Saban did it at LSU and then Bama

 

[3kidsandme]

Yea thats the answer to beat #1 on the road. We need to keep recruiting and developing. We are improving and the youngest team in country. The core of this team is talented just need to mature

 

[Fresh Start]

Yes, if we had an offensive minded head coach we would have scored a bunch tonight. We need a coach with a list of plays that work when you are out manned at every position.

 

[Burly]

Not many teams score on Bama... We got killed upfront

 

[Jared1985]

Yea, not sure how the defensive minded Saban did it at LSU and then Bama

Are you attempting to compare the amount of talent and recruiting power that Bama has to Kentucky?

Please. Did you wonder into the wrong forum?

Kentucky will never win any significant games playing "Bama ball" it takes a great deal of talent to be able to do what they do. A level of talent that Kentucky will likely never attain.

I'm sorry You missed the entire point of this thread, now please go back to the basketball forum.

 

[Beatle Bum]

We need an offensive HC. Stoops needs to cuss more, belittle old ladies, kick kittens and grab his crotch. Maybe wear a neck brace.

 

[willievic]

Yea, not sure how the defensive minded Saban did it at LSU and then Bama

He hired good OC's and changed with the game. Stoops has refused to do that, as evidenced by the previous two OC's who are no longer with UK . I knew we couldn't stop Alabama, but I thought we could score. We are plain vanilla on offense.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

 

[stuway]

Look at ul and clemson. Wait till the CF playoff this year. You have to be able to score and win shoot outs. Welcome to college football in 2016. When michigan plays a good team outside the big 10, we will see how far a good defense only gets you

 

[Da Cats Rock]

Wasn't Joker an offensive HC. BUT I'LL Say his problem was getting rid of coach Brooks coaches and trying to bring in his coaches.

 

[Poetax]

I understand it's Bama, but not being able to score any meaningful points with all the talent we have on the field is a reflection of having a defensive minded HC.

"Small schools" that manage to put together winning seasons do it with OFFENSE. (TTU, TCU, Ole Miss ect ect).

TCU is a great example of a defensive minded smaller program. They were a defensive powerhouse in the MWC.

They went to the big 12 and had to switch to an offensive minded approach to remain competitive.

Stoops will never get it done here and neither would any other defensive minded coach.

Honestly every olineman that played tonight got put on their back 2 or more times in that game. Our talent is in the RBs and Receivers but there's another problem. With the line on the ground so was our QB so our best talent didn't get to show it. We have to get better trench players on both sides of the ball.

 

[Bluesnky]

Honestly every olineman that played tonight got put on their back 2 or more times in that game. Our talent is in the RBs and Receivers but there's another problem. With the line on the ground so was our QB so our best talent didn't get to show it. We have to get better trench players on both sides of the ball.

We will know more as the season goes on, but it seems to me that we are a pretty decent run blocking team, but a bad pass blocking team.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Yes, if we had an offensive minded head coach we would have scored a bunch tonight. We need a coach with a list of plays that work when you are out manned at every position.

You realize how many offensive minded coaches would've seen their team struggle tonight? Especially if they had to play their backup qb?

We looked fine, considering the competition. Had our backup qb not fumbled 3 times; this game is much closer.

Our ol opened holes and got some push. Our RBs ran hard. Our wrs and defense competed.

We're so, so close.

 

[Bluesnky]

I'd like to have a coach who has a genius on one side of the ball, and adopts the CEO-mindset when it comes to the other side.

Until recently, Stoops seemed to have adopted the CEO role for everything, which is freaking insane for a first time head coach who was hired because of his defensive prowess and brought in a rookie DC.

 

[Jared1985]

Wasn't Joker an offensive HC. BUT I'LL Say his problem was getting rid of coach Brooks coaches and trying to bring in his coaches.

Yes, Joker was an offensive coach. There were two MAJOR problems that worried me with him.

1. He ran a pro style offense which RARELY works at the college level unless you have elite talent.

2. Woodson changed the plays at the line CONSTANTLY, which means he (more or less) called the plays himself. When he graduated the offensive production went downhill FAST.

Being the OC for a guy like Woodson who calls 90% of his own plays at the line looks good on paper, but once he graduated his playcalling left A LOT to be desired.

We need a system coach, not a pro style coach

That's a big part of the reason Joker failed (that and he couldn't recruit to save his life) a pro style coach who can't recruit the level of athlete he needed to run his system.....

 

[NavyCat88]

I understand it's Bama, but not being able to score any meaningful points with all the talent we have on the field is a reflection of having a defensive minded HC.

"Small schools" that manage to put together winning seasons do it with OFFENSE. (TTU, TCU, Ole Miss ect ect).

TCU is a great example of a defensive minded smaller program. They were a defensive powerhouse in the MWC.

They went to the big 12 and had to switch to an offensive minded approach to remain competitive.

Stoops will never get it done here and neither would any other defensive minded coach.

You could be right, but I don't know if UK's team this year supports your theory. We're good at neither offense nor defense. I suppose we would have to be at least passable at one phase of the game to say the lack of the other is the problem.

 

[BARRYBLUE1]

Old saying "offense puts fans in seats, defense wins championships."

 

[tuck66]

So the D plays a good game against #1 in the country. now you're going to blame Stoops for the Offense! Amazing! There is a reason they're #1.....It's called DEFENSE!

 

[Blueaz]

Are you attempting to compare the amount of talent and recruiting power that Bama has to Kentucky?

Please. Did you wonder into the wrong forum?

Kentucky will never win any significant games playing "Bama ball" it takes a great deal of talent to be able to do what they do. A level of talent that Kentucky will likely never attain.

I'm sorry You missed the entire point of this thread, now please go back to the basketball forum.

Mumme says hello

Hey genius, have you ever seen a good leader surround himself with others that can help his shortcomings.
Sorry, is that better. I will try and dumb it down for you in the future

And it seems that most in this thread have kinda similar views on coaching. Maybe you, should go back to the paddock

 

[Blueaz]

He hired good OC's and changed with the game. Stoops has refused to do that, as evidenced by the previous two OC's who are no longer with UK . I knew we couldn't stop Alabama, but I thought we could score. We are plain vanilla on offense.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

This... It doesn't matter your main strength. If you get the proper coaches is the other positions.

 

[JC CATS]

How do we reconcile that with the fact that 2 weeks ago our defensive mind team gave up 42 points and our O scored 62. I liked some things from the D but their 3rd string running back gained 100 yeards. I don't think we saw Alabama play their A game

 

[CB3UK]

We need an offensive HC. Stoops needs to cuss more, belittle old ladies, kick kittens and grab his crotch. Maybe wear a neck brace.

OK. I laughed.

 

[Mojocat_rivals48469]

I think some of you miss the point he's making.

 

[JPFisher]

Seems like we have had this discussion forever.

Some people like defensive coaches because of their toughness, tenacity, and dedication to discipline.

Some people like offensive coaches because of their energy, scheming, and excitement factor.

I think you just find a good coach and you're set.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Yea, not sure how the defensive minded Saban did it at LSU and then Bama

Alabama avg.47.5 ppt., nice try...OP is totally correct

 

[Blueaz]

Alabama avg.47.5 ppt., nice try...OP is totally correct

Saban is a DEFENSIVE coach; HE has very good OC's...get it?

 

[Mojocat_rivals48469]

Saban is a DEFENSIVE coach; HE has very good OC's...get it?

No. This is utterly beside the point the OP is making (at least as I read it). Any comparison to Bama or Saban or anyone of that ilk is irrelevant. His point is we have a hard ceiling as to what our talent level can ever be (so don't bring into the conversation other teams that have super talent). If you are limited in talent, don't bring in a defensive minded coach, because his forte will be defense, and there's no scheming he can ever do to remedy the talent deficiency. He'll bring in somebody hopefully good as OC. Defensive oriented head coaches tend to be cautious and prefer conventional offenses. So he'll be content to run a fairly conventional style offense - again, you can't overcome the talent deficiency that way. Hire a brilliant offensive minded person, or at least an outside of box unconventional thinker. That guy can hopefully overcome the talent deficiency by scheme and strategy. Then he gets hopefully a good DC who maybe can break even, more good than bad. IOW, we have to do what Texas Tech did, and try to win games 47-42. None of that applies to Bama or Florida or Ohio State or......

 

[Blue Decade]

I understand it's Bama, but not being able to score any meaningful points with all the talent we have on the field is a reflection of having a defensive minded HC.

"Small schools" that manage to put together winning seasons do it with OFFENSE. (TTU, TCU, Ole Miss ect ect).

TCU is a great example of a defensive minded smaller program. They were a defensive powerhouse in the MWC.

They went to the big 12 and had to switch to an offensive minded approach to remain competitive.

Stoops will never get it done here and neither would any other defensive minded coach.

You are stating an unsupportable opinion. Stoops got this job because an offensive minded head coach failed. Defensive minded head coaches win where they get the job done. And sometimes, offensive minded head coaches fail to get it done. Nick Saban is a defensive minded head coach! Rich Brooks was a defensive minded head coach. Bret Bielema is a defensive minded head coach. Mark Richt and Les Miles were offensive minded head coaches, look what happened to them! Gus Malzahn is another offensive minded head coach on the hot seat. Georgia put 31 points on the scoreboard with a freshman quarterback against Tennessee yesterday although Kirby Smart is a defensive minded head coach! It's ridiculous for our fans to expect our current offense to shine with a new quarterback playing in Tuscaloosa against the best college defense in the country. Anyone who expected that isn't credible. To be realistic, give Eddie Gran and Darin Hinshaw a fair chance with 10 offensive starters coming back next year and see what they can do after a full offseason. Most of the better freshman and sophomore players on our current roster are offensive players. Young, Jackson, GAA, Stenberg, Bunchy, Conrad, Richardson, Greenwood, Snell, Rose, Ross, Hoak. The key for Stoops will be maintaining recruiting momentum and getting our DEFENSE to play with more consistency and a better pass rush. I'm not saying he can or can't. We will find out. But this is where our football team is now.

 

[sluggercatfan]

So the D plays a good game against #1 in the country. now you're going to blame Stoops for the Offense! Amazing! There is a reason they're #1.....It's called DEFENSE!

Ala avgs 47.5 ppg..try again ... Ala 48..Miss 43...last years NC game Ala- Clemson was 46-40...like Saban some of you guys need to get in 2016

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

These offensive coaches may not be the best, but they're damn good. We moved the ball consistently against the best team in the nation, with our backup qb (who struggled with ball security).

The play action pass to conrad was a td had it not been batted down at the line. Was a great design and call.

Everyone saying we need a mumme type coach doesn't realize that style of play has come and gone. Teams seen enough of it and adjusted. Otherwise, mumme would be in the show instead of at some division 10 directional a&m state.

Spread passing attacks just don't work anymore without the threat of the qb run.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Old saying "offense puts fans in seats, defense wins championships."

It's 2016...no longer holds water

 

[Blueaz]

No. This is utterly beside the point the OP is making (at least as I read it). Any comparison to Bama or Saban or anyone of that ilk is irrelevant. His point is we have a hard ceiling as to what our talent level can ever be (so don't bring into the conversation other teams that have super talent). If you are limited in talent, don't bring in a defensive minded coach, because his forte will be defense, and there's no scheming he can ever do to remedy the talent deficiency. He'll bring in somebody hopefully good as OC. Defensive oriented head coaches tend to be cautious and prefer conventional offenses. So he'll be content to run a fairly conventional style offense - again, you can't overcome the talent deficiency that way. Hire a brilliant offensive minded person, or at least an outside of box unconventional thinker. That guy can hopefully overcome the talent deficiency by scheme and strategy. Then he gets hopefully a good DC who maybe can break even, more good than bad. IOW, we have to do what Texas Tech did, and try to win games 47-42. None of that applies to Bama or Florida or Ohio State or......

signed
Hal Mummie
Bill Curry

 

[Blue Decade]

It's 2016...no longer holds water

LOL! It holds plenty of water in Tuscaloosa.

 

[buckkiller]

Yea, not sure how the defensive minded Saban did it at LSU and then Bama

AAAHHHHHHH LOL ITS CALLED TOP 5 RECRUITING CLASSES EVERY YEAR. Something we will never see here inless Belichik wants to be UK'S Headcoach

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I understand it's Bama, but not being able to score any meaningful points with all the talent we have on the field is a reflection of having a defensive minded HC.

"Small schools" that manage to put together winning seasons do it with OFFENSE. (TTU, TCU, Ole Miss ect ect).

TCU is a great example of a defensive minded smaller program. They were a defensive powerhouse in the MWC.

They went to the big 12 and had to switch to an offensive minded approach to remain competitive.

Stoops will never get it done here and neither would any other defensive minded coach.

Bama isn't really a fair comparison, If you are going by recruiting stars for determining talent they put more 5* on the field than most teams put 4*. It would be hard to say Bama isn't the top program in the country over the last 10 years. You claiming OM was didn't put a bigtime D on the field is just incorrect, their defense was one of the best in the country last year. The thing that gives Bama more problems over the years than anything else is a great mobile qb, Manziel, Nick Marshall, Chad Kelly, the tOSU qb, Watson and Cam. But those guys gave everyone problems. Running a HUNU offense with a dropback passer doesn't do it, you have to recruit the great athletic QB who is a great runner and a decent passer. Their talent, depth and speed just overwhelms about everything else.

 

[Jared1985]

You are stating an unsupportable opinion. Stoops got this job because an offensive minded head coach failed. Defensive minded head coaches win where they get the job done. And sometimes, offensive minded head coaches fail to get it done. Nick Saban is a defensive minded head coach! Rich Brooks was a defensive minded head coach. Bret Bielema is a defensive minded head coach. Mark Richt and Les Miles were offensive minded head coaches, look what happened to them! Gus Malzahn is another offensive minded head coach on the hot seat. Georgia put 31 points on the scoreboard with a freshman quarterback against Tennessee yesterday although Kirby Smart is a defensive minded head coach! It's ridiculous for our fans to expect our current offense to shine with a new quarterback playing in Tuscaloosa against the best college defense in the country. Anyone who expected that isn't credible. To be realistic, give Eddie Gran and Darin Hinshaw a fair chance with 10 offensive starters coming back next year and see what they can do after a full offseason. Most of the better freshman and sophomore players on our current roster are offensive players. Young, Jackson, GAA, Stenberg, Bunchy, Conrad, Richardson, Greenwood, Snell, Rose, Ross, Hoak. The key for Stoops will be maintaining recruiting momentum and getting our DEFENSE to play with more consistency and a better pass rush. I'm not saying he can or can't. We will find out. But this is where our football team is now.

Our "offensive minded coach that failed" (ie Joker) is a pro style coach. That's why he failed at Kentucky. Pro style offenses rarely work unless your at a big program with elite talent. We have to have a system offensive coach to win here.

Yes Brooks as a defensive guy. We played **** defense then too. Guess what we won with......I'll give you a hint. It starts with an O.

Also calling Les Miles an offensive coach is laughable. Mark Richt was at GEORGIA a team with a ton of recruiting power and prestige.

You do realize we are talking about Kentucky right?

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Yes Brooks as a defensive guy. We played **** defense then too. Guess what we won with......I'll give you a hint. It starts with an O

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