Thoughts on another stellar night of Kentucky football

[FieldstoneWarrior]

Dude, You must not watch much Saban. This is textbook.

Are you seriously wanting me to give a team credit for getting blown the hell out with little effort from their opponent? Really?

You are the worst kind of UK football fan. You look for anything positive even in defeat, and being thrashed. You are the reason UK doesn't advance, and people like you are the reason barnhart skates by with millions and millions in revenue while pretending he's doing the best he can.

You're just attacking now, as the stoops troops BS is blowing up in your face. I would be willing to bet money you backed Joker as long as you could too, until the end.

Please root for some high school somewhere so it doesn't help to contribute to UK's football demise.

This post is the perfect representation of the misery loving aspect of our fan base.

Perspective is an important thing and those in this category of our fan base struggle with it.

Southern Miss, Florida, and New Mexico State all scored more and ran up more yardage on us than Alabama.

This game came down to a large talent differential and our inability to make plays on offense. Despite that, our guys played hard and appeared to be in position to make stops, something lacking in the first three games.

As for the Saban comment, he had no problem gaining 600-700 yards against us in 2013. He also didn't mind taking repeated failed deep shots against us and continued throwing the ball in the fourth quarter with the game in hand.

 

[merrimanm]

So you've only been grown up after 2007 when Saban started coaching UA? That explains a lot about you. Those are nice friends showing sympathy like that. They must really like you to tell you lies just to make you feel better. When UK beats UT like a drum in basketball, I congratulate my Knoxville friends on a game well played, even though I'm laughing hysterically in my head because it was almost like UK was playing alone.

Growing up in Alabama, I have watches Saban many times. LSU and Bama are pretty big rivals, so I knew much about him when he was at LSU as well. So, pretty dumb comment.

Also, my Alabama friends and I talk all the time about UK football, not just when we play them. They always say the same thing. And if I told you what they really said, it would make you mad. But they are correct.

 

[BlueRunner11]

Whatever man. We know you hate the team and coaches. Agree to disagree

Oh don't whatever man man me...so now I hate the football team?! Get real. Please explain what I just stated that was false.

Early down passing plays from the #1 team in the country against against one of the absolute worst rushing defenses in the country says what? Alabama WANTED to pass the ball, they didn't need to pass the ball.

Hurts having 33 passing attempts despite Bama lead back averaging 6.5 yards/carry and the rest of the backs averaging 5-6 should be telling enough. We did not stop the run like you stated. And there was zero reason for Bama to throw the ball that much unless they were trying to get their young QB reps in the passing game in what was essentially a practice game for them.

 

[merrimanm]

You're right, we did stop their attempts and I was proud of our fuys for meeting the challenge and even posted in the game thread I hoped they used that disrespect to light a fire under their collective ***. For a quarter it did. But my point is they didnt try that cutesy stuff against Southern Cal. They ran the ball down their throat for four quarters and humiliated them. They could have done it against us. Instead they used it as a game to test out some differebt things to get Hurts comfortable with stretching thr field. Saban could have beaten us 70-0 and not thrown a single pass yesterday, its a fact not hyperbole. They tested us early and then went vanilla and just let simple attrition do its thing.

So they went vanilla when we were actually in the game??? Makes no sense. The cutesy stuff you are talking about I assume is the east/west plays trying to get the ball to Ridley and the motion guy. If so, you assessment is wrong. They did those same things against Ole miss. I don't think they were holding back against them. That stuff is part of their offense now and we did a good job stopping it.
If it was cutesy, meaning they don't normally run that, then we sure we're well.prepared for something they haven't done. Stoops must be a genius to have them prepared for that without seeing it on film.

And saying they would have scored.that many is a fact is just sad. I love how people try to use their opinion, or what they want to outcome to be, as a fact. Facts are those things that are proven with evidence. The evidence here says they could only score 34.

 

[BtBlueBlood]

Topics like this are why UK football will always suck. We have fans who are actually happy with beating the spread or scoring 2 field goals. Our fans are just happy tailgating, getting drunk and playing corn hole, instead of watching what should be good football. If Mitch isn't throwing everything we have at Les Miles then he should be fired along with Stoops. Now i've seen the "Les Miles couldn't do it with all that talent" argument, but LSU expects National Titles 9 or 10 wins isn't enough for them (they were 8-5 last season, would have been 9-5 if cancelled game didn't happen), most of our fans just expect a bowl most years and 8-10 win seasons would be everything we want. Plus I think Miles could get us to the point of getting those 9-10 win seasons from time to time. Now do I think we should have beat Bama? No, not really but we should be competitive in all our games. We also shouldn't just be hoping for 6-6 each year, we should be expecting 7-9 wins a year. But instead the majority of UK football fans are just happy with a .500 season and a crappy bowl game. I know it takes baby steps to get there but 4 years in all the players are Stoops recruits so sitting at 2-3 is not acceptable for me and shouldn't be for ANY UK football fan that wants our program to get better. I've been watching this garbage for over 30 years and it's gotten beyond old. We've barely had acceptable seasons sprinkled in over the decades but nothing is more apparent that we need a huge AD and coaching change then when we see teams we were beating 8-10 years ago in talks of National titles in recent years and now (Clemson, Miss St., Ole Miss) and even UNC that is traditionally as bad as UK in football almost made the playoffs last year. How many more seasons do we need to sit through like this just hoping for moral victory's or at best a crappy 6-6 bowl game? I'll still root for the Cats but it surely doesn't mean I have to like what the administration has allow this program to be in football.

 

[merrimanm]

Oh don't whatever man man me...so now I hate the football team?! Get real. Please explain what I just stated that was false.

Early down passing plays from the #1 team in the country against against one of the absolute worst rushing defenses in the country says what? Alabama WANTED to pass the ball, they didn't need to pass the ball.

Hurts having 33 passing attempts despite Bama lead back averaging 6.5 yards/carry and the rest of the backs averaging 5-6 should be telling enough. We did not stop the run like you stated. And there was zero reason for Bama to throw the ball that much unless they were trying to get their young QB reps in the passing game in what was essentially a practice game for them.

The majority of those yards rushing came on 2 drives. The other drives, yes, we played the run well.

 

[Mike-D]

Year 4, and we're still in full rebuild mode.

We covered the spread!

Huge improvements across the board!

Our offense was able to kick 2 field goals, and we managed to hold Bama to 500 yards of total offense. Big things are coming.

 

[BtBlueBlood]

For you to have played and coached, you sure don't seem very smart. You don't show your hand to those opponents you have coming up. You ALWAYS have something left in your pocket. Especially when you are playing a team that you aren't supposed to beat and would need a near perfect game and scenario to win.

Wow, so what you are saying is Stoops held back trying as hard as he could to win, because we weren't supposed to win the game anyways so why show off stuff we could use against teams we actually could beat? WOW...just....wow. If that is the case then Stoops should already be fired, it doesn't matter if it is me and 10 other guys playing Alabama you play to win EVERY time, not just to not get beat as bad or to beat the spread so you can say "Well we did better then everyone though right? Wait till next week I got some trick play I've been saving". Geez.

 

[merrimanm]

Wow, so what you are saying is Stoops held back trying as hard as he could to win, because we weren't supposed to win the game anyways so why show off stuff we could use against teams we actually could beat? WOW...just....wow. If that is the case then Stoops should already be fired, it doesn't matter if it is me and 10 other guys playing Alabama you play to win EVERY time, not just to not get beat as bad or to beat the spread so you can say "Well we did better then everyone though right? Wait till next week I got some trick play I've been saving". Geez.

I didn't say you don't try to win the game. I said you don't show everything you have. Meaning you play your game and your normal offense and see where that gets you. Then, if you remain in the game, you use some things that can get you over the hump, or keep you going, like the flea flicker. If you don't think coaches keep stuff in their back pockets for certain opponents, then you are crazy. EVERY coach does that. People act like the underdog should just go run trick plays every series. It doesn't work that way.

 

[Stenchymouse]

The team is playing harder and looking "a little better".

This guarantees Stoops will be here for another year or two, if not longer...

All you old folks will probably never see a good team in your lifetime.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

Man, I know how you feel, but he's not joking.

Its incredible.

Folks somehow equate losing by 28 as progress. I just don't get it. It's like when fans in basketball say, well we only lost by (X amount) to UK. Bama could have scored as much as they wanted.

 

[CB3UK]

So they went vanilla when we were actually in the game??? Makes no sense. The cutesy stuff you are talking about I assume is the east/west plays trying to get the ball to Ridley and the motion guy. If so, you assessment is wrong. They did those same things against Ole miss. I don't think they were holding back against them. That stuff is part of their offense now and we did a good job stopping it.
If it was cutesy, meaning they don't normally run that, then we sure we're well.prepared for something they haven't done. Stoops must be a genius to have them prepared for that without seeing it on film.

And saying they would have scored.that many is a fact is just sad. I love how people try to use their opinion, or what they want to outcome to be, as a fact. Facts are those things that are proven with evidence. The evidence here says they could only score 34.

First I already outlined the going for it on 4th and 7 as the cutesy plays. I also pointed out they were testing out different plays to stretch out opposing D's to get Hurts more comfortable for down the road. So your entire first paragraph rebuttal isnt very germane to what I was speaking of. You do not go for it on 4th and 7 against anyone, certainly not if you respect the opponent.

They put up 56 on Southern Cal and 48 on Ole Miss but youre going to stand there and tell me they only managed 34 against Kentucky's storied defense through an honest 110% effort? Wake the **** up.

 

[Mr Schwump]

My biggest take from the game is Stephen Johnson is the weakest major college football player I've ever seen. Word's out, he's very easy to strip due to his lack of strength...we're going to see much more of it I'm afraid.

 

[merrimanm]

First I already outlined the going for it on 4th and 7 as the cutesy plays. I also pointed out they were testing out different plays to stretch out opposing D's to get Hurts more comfortable for down the road. So your entire first paragraph rebuttal isnt very germane to what I was speaking of. You do not go for it on 4th and 7 against anyone, certainly not if you respect the opponent.

They put up 56 on Southern Cal and 48 on Ole Miss but youre going to stand there and tell me they only managed 34 against Kentucky's storied defense through an honest 110% effort? Wake the **** up.

I am awake. It is 11:12 in the morning. Been awake a couple of hours now.

USC isn't very good. And Ole Moss has blown multiple big leads. bama didn't score until the second half on them. But regardless, our team played tough and they are getting better.

 

[FieldstoneWarrior]

Folks somehow equate losing by 28 as progress. I just don't get it. It's like when fans in basketball say, well we only lost by (X amount) to UK. Bama could have scored as much as they wanted.

So why didn't they score as much as they wanted? You really think Saban only wanted 10 offensive points in the first half?

They scored 48 on us in 2013 and could've scored 88. Saban clearly stopped the scoring then but to say they could've scored as much as they want last night is ridiculous. They had OJ Howard and other starters playing deep in the fourth quarter and only mustered 27 points.

This team has improved significantly over the course of this season and this staff is earning some respect.

We all love this program and want it to succeed but we aren't ever going to compete for a Super Bowl like some posters seem to expect. These players and staff are working their tails off and deserve our support.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Alabama didn't show much for UK on either side of the ball. Any wrinkles they have they are saving for Ark, A&M, UT, LSU, and even AU. They did throw the ball a lot more than needed in this game to give their young QB confidence and practice.

I do agree as well that UK didn't show everything they had in a game they had -5% chance of winning or keeping close. UK is probably saving some things for Vandy, MSU, Missouri, etc, that they wouldn't show in a game like last night. Why would we? Waste of time

So I agree with both posters having their little argument.

 

[fromthe25ydline]

I admire SJohnson for standing in the pocket and trying to read through his progressions despite the pressure. Should he have better secured the ball and not had it slapped away? Stupid question. But I'm having trouble understanding why the quick passing game that, hate to say it, Mumme employed isn't a part of the offensive repertoire. Isn't Gran's offense a derivative of the spread? UK has several tall receivers whom they have recruited that fit the large, wide target, "can't defend through me without interfering" type of pass catchers. Is it impossible to run slants and quick outs with these physically imposing receivers? Maybe not.
Secondly, I like the idea of tall DB's, but their value has to include speed. If you can run right by them, what difference does their size make?
I hope LYoung learns some things from this game. He got caught on his heels a few times.
Our safeties, who received copious reports of outstanding play during the preseason, play like freshmen in coverage way too often. They allow receivers to run free across their faces. They hesitate in run support, much like a few of our linebackers, and whiff on tackles.
Finally, does Snell simply read the LOS better than anyone else? He gained some nice yardage between the tackles. Is there a reason we don't pull the guards often and pitch the ball to Boom who obviously runs better in space? Our running game looks confused until Snell enters the game.
Overall, this game should have benefited both teams. Kentucky has to take away some positives from this game as a learning experience and a gauge as to where they are developmentally.
There possibly may be better games ahead due to this loss. But, I remain a skeptic.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

So why didn't they score as much as they wanted? You really think Saban only wanted 10 offensive points in the first half?

They scored 48 on us in 2013 and could've scored 88. Saban clearly stopped the scoring then but to say they could've scored as much as they want last night is ridiculous. They had OJ Howard and other starters playing deep in the fourth quarter and only mustered 27 points.

This team has improved significantly over the course of this season and this staff is earning some respect.

We all love this program and want it to succeed but we aren't ever going to compete for a Super Bowl like some posters seem to expect. These players and staff are working their tails off and deserve our support.

You believe what you want. I ain't trying to change your mind. The defense has improved, but it had a LOT of improving to do and I give them credit for that. Bama is starting a true freshman QB and last night was to help him get comfortable and do it in a live setting. If you think Bama fired all their big guns and just couldn't break through against UK, you just want to believe that.
I respect the time and effort everyone puts in. That's got nothing to do with it.

 

[Mack2069]

I think there were good and bad things to take away from last night. I believe as a fan base we are tired of the moral victories but honestly who in there right mind thought we had a chance to win last night. I love seeing the team play their guts out and leaving it on the field. The most positive thing from last night was none of our top players sustained any injury. We still have a lot of winnable games left. It doesn't matter if you like Stoops or not let's get behind this team and go Big Blue

 

[BIGBLUEQ]

There sure are a lot of damn mind readers on here who know what Saban's game plan was last night. If he wasn't trying to score as much as he could he wouldn't have been so damn pissed at his QB when he missed the wide open TE down the sideline. That tells me he was trying, not experimenting

 

[morgousky]

There sure are a lot of damn mind readers on here who know what Saban's game plan was last night. If he wasn't trying to score as much as he could he wouldn't have been so damn pissed at his QB when he missed the wide open TE down the sideline. That tells me he was trying, not experimenting

Pissed at his QB?

Lmao.

Some of you are clueless to nick sanan.

 

[shutzhund]

Dude, they suck. We arent going to a bowl, stOOPS is awful, and we need to cut our losses at the end of the year and move on. You are only making the reality worse. I know you care about UK football, but pumping it during down times isn't helping, its hurting.

You obviously don't watch much Saban. I played college football and coach football. I know the game. Saban never uses his QB like he did tonight. He was practicing. He was using this game as preparation. If he intended to score 60+, he could have with ease.

Get real man. Or try and throw that BS to someone who doesn't understand the game.

You didn't learn much when you "played" if you did which sounds a little like internet bs.

 

[CB3UK]

There sure are a lot of damn mind readers on here who know what Saban's game plan was last night. If he wasn't trying to score as much as he could he wouldn't have been so damn pissed at his QB when he missed the wide open TE down the sideline. That tells me he was trying, not experimenting

Saban was pissed because Hurts didn't even see the guy open in the flat. By getting pissed off now he teaches the kid and he learns from his mistakes which he cant afford to make against a legitimate opponent. Did you not see him ripping Lane Kiffin a new one during the WKU game?Are you kidding me with that logic? Saban is the same guy who thanked the seniors after the championship win for their effort on the field that year, and then proceeded to chew out the juniors on down for how they played in the second half of that winning effort. The guy has an assistant turn his car around in the parking lot just so he doesnt have to waste 15 seconds backing up when he leaves. "Wouldnt have been so pissed..." :lol: you've got to be kidding.

 

[Anon1660081258]

If you really think Bama used every play they have and didn't play conservative then you didn't watch the same game.

I watched. I saw Bama run a variety of plays. The only thing they seemed to avoid was designed QB runs. I suspect Hurts does not protect himself enough to suit their staff.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

I watched. I saw Bama run a variety of plays. The only thing they seemed to avoid was designed QB runs. I suspect Hurts does not protect himself enough to suit their staff.

Possibly, it may be because they just had a QB transfer that actually started their first game and depth may be an issue. Or maybe they are using a RS on a QB they don't want to use up.

 

[UKWinsAgainYep]

I believe UK continues to look better. I actually think this team is on a positive trajectory.

Saying that, Vandy is a must win. We still have a chance to get to 6 wins and I'm happy.

 

[KY1WING]

I subscribe to the theory that it is never as bad as you think and it isn't as good as you think. The defense looked more polished and in better position, but why does it take 5 games into the season to get to that point? The positioning should have been in place game 1. JoJo was in the game because he is far and away the best blocker of the running backs. Boom can't block at all and Snell completely whiffed on two blocks. When you play the best team in the country, you find out who wants to play and who doesn't. I thought Young played well as well as a few others. We actually punted the ball well again and we have the fewest amount of seniors in Division I football. It's a 7 game season, let's see what we got the rest of the way. I believe everyone has some good points, Alabama may have been vanilla and looking ahead, but Kentucky showed some resolve and wasn't completely in shock.

So in 2012 we were the fifth youngest team in CFB nearly all Sophs and Froshs. Four years later we are still young and have no Srs.

What happened and at what point do we get "not young"?

 

[Robcatt24]

 

[Mike-D]

[roll]

 

[stuway]

@merrimanm

We've been going back and forth here and I maintain we are no better than when Joker was here. And you claimed I have an agenda. You're right, I do now...Its to get Stoops fired based on performance. While true we may have better players than when Joker was here, our records seem no better. I didnt look either, if it is better, it aint by much. This makes Stoops even sadder though, he has better players and is doing squat with them.

You have an agenda too obviously, to defend Stoops. I dont know what you see or why you choose to defend him. The progress he has shown is non existent. Hiring Gran looks like a good move. But we still dont have the players or coaching to execute. Hell, the first quarter of the Bama game, we had WRs running wide open. It killed me to see this and we couldn't get them the damn ball. We are not near ready to compete in the SEC with the players and or coaching we have right now. I dont want the players to go, I want them coached up to give the QB time to hit those open WRs. I want the QB to have time to find them and to make the right reads. I want our beloved football team to simply compete. After 4 years of our HC we cant and dont.

So my agenda is admitted and Ive explained why it is such. I want a new head ball coach. Get on the right side of this man. We all want the same outcome. The way we are going about it now has proven it wont work.

#hireLES

 

[tntuk]

We are a program of moral victories. It's how we measure ourselves.

Just curious - what did you expect?

 

[rye48]

Are people really okay with losing by 30? Being content with being blown out is why we are in this position.

If it were the Basketball team losing by 30 what all kinds of hell break lose !

 

[carolinacat]

You're right, we did stop their attempts and I was proud of our fuys for meeting the challenge and even posted in the game thread I hoped they used that disrespect to light a fire under their collective ***. For a quarter it did. But my point is they didnt try that cutesy stuff against Southern Cal. They ran the ball down their throat for four quarters and humiliated them. They could have done it against us. Instead they used it as a game to test out some differebt things to get Hurts comfortable with stretching thr field. Saban could have beaten us 70-0 and not thrown a single pass yesterday, its a fact not hyperbole. They tested us early and then went vanilla and just let simple attrition do its thing.

70-0 without throwing a single pass? As John Mcenroe would say..."you cannot be serious." One of the more absurd comments you'll see, even from U of L trolls. Saban and company weren't happy with the early part of the game when we forced a turnover on downs, and some missed FG/s and the turnover.

 

[UK Cats Rock]

Guys, seriously, respect each other's opinions whether yu agree with it or not. My goodness.....

 

[merrimanm]

@merrimanm

We've been going back and forth here and I maintain we are no better than when Joker was here. And you claimed I have an agenda. You're right, I do now...Its to get Stoops fired based on performance. While true we may have better players than when Joker was here, our records seem no better. I didnt look either, if it is better, it aint by much. This makes Stoops even sadder though, he has better players and is doing squat with them.

You have an agenda too obviously, to defend Stoops. I dont know what you see or why you choose to defend him. The progress he has shown is non existent. Hiring Gran looks like a good move. But we still dont have the players or coaching to execute. Hell, the first quarter of the Bama game, we had WRs running wide open. It killed me to see this and we couldn't get them the damn ball. We are not near ready to compete in the SEC with the players and or coaching we have right now. I dont want the players to go, I want them coached up to give the QB time to hit those open WRs. I want the QB to have time to find them and to make the right reads. I want our beloved football team to simply compete. After 4 years of our HC we cant and dont.

So my agenda is admitted and Ive explained why it is such. I want a new head ball coach. Get on the right side of this man. We all want the same outcome. The way we are going about it now has proven it wont work.

#hireLES

I understand your agenda and knew you wanted Stoops fired. But of all that you proved that you really have no substance. You said it SEEMS that we are no better and didn't know the numbers. All I know is Joker took a team with consecutive bowl appearances and arguably the best player in our program's history, and one of the best in the nation, and won 6 games, followed by 5 wins, followed by 2 and a blowout to Vandy 42-0.

Stoops has bettered the roster by far, went from 2-10 to back to back 5-7 seasons starting from scratch. How people continue to say he is no better than Joker blows my mind.

 

[morgousky]

This post is the perfect representation of the misery loving aspect of our fan base.

Perspective is an important thing and those in this category of our fan base struggle with it.

Southern Miss, Florida, and New Mexico State all scored more and ran up more yardage on us than Alabama.

This game came down to a large talent differential and our inability to make plays on offense. Despite that, our guys played hard and appeared to be in position to make stops, something lacking in the first three games.

As for the Saban comment, he had no problem gaining 600-700 yards against us in 2013. He also didn't mind taking repeated failed deep shots against us and continued throwing the ball in the fourth quarter with the game in hand.

I'm the Misery loving aspect of our fanbase?

LMAO!

You and Merriman go have that steak dinner on covering a spread and getting dismantled.

 

[morgousky]

I understand your agenda and knew you wanted Stoops fired. But of all that you proved that you really have no substance. You said it SEEMS that we are no better and didn't know the numbers. All I know is Joker took a team with consecutive bowl appearances and arguably the best player in our program's history, and one of the best in the nation, and won 6 games, followed by 5 wins, followed by 2 and a blowout to Vandy 42-0.

Stoops has bettered the roster by far, went from 2-10 to back to back 5-7 seasons starting from scratch. How people continue to say he is no better than Joker blows my mind.

I honestly don't care which one is better. Both are not suited for the job at UK. You make really bizarre points. Stoops is going to end the season 15 or 16-31? Something like that? Year four?

If you had your way, joker would still be here. You pumped him the same you pump this loser coach. You keep saying "you have an agenda, you want stoops fired". Well no sh*t fans that want to see uk make necessary steps to win want him fired. He's proving he's not going to be able to compete in this conference. That's the agenda, success. Your agenda is to blindly pump any coach that barnfart hires, against all evidence they can't handle this job. The only guy with a real agenda is you and the other 3 mindless pumpers. Most of us just want uk to use these modern resources that we've never had and put them to real use. Hire a proven winner. Invest in his staff. Go the extra mile. You're an SEC football program, act like it.

At what point would you give up the fantasy and call for stoops to be fired? Losing records in year 5? 6? 7? A bowl game every decade?

I think you are more concerned with fighting this losing battle than accepting where we are in its totality.

 

[Rush2112 UK]

Also, I didn't support Joker until the end. I supported him up until the midway point of his last year and then was done.

That's like being on the Titanic and thinking it had a chance until it broke in two.

BTW, you're a real piece of work. I sincerely hope you represent only a small portion of our fanbase.

 

[merrimanm]

I honestly don't care which one is better. Both are not suited for the job at UK. You make really bizarre points. Stoops is going to end the season 15 or 16-31? Something like that? Year four?

If you had your way, joker would still be here. You pumped him the same you pump this loser coach. You keep saying "you have an agenda, you want stoops fired". Well no sh*t fans that want to see uk make necessary steps to win want him fired. He's proving he's not going to be able to compete in this conference. That's the agenda, success. Your agenda is to blindly pump any coach that barnfart hires, against all evidence they can't handle this job. The only guy with a real agenda is you and the other 3 mindless pumpers. Most of us just want uk to use these modern resources that we've never had and put them to real use. Hire a proven winner. Invest in his staff. Go the extra mile. Your an SEC football program, act like it.

At what point would you give up the fantasy and call for stoops to be fired? Losing records in year 5? 6? 7? A bowl game every decade?

I think you are more concerned with fighting this losing battle than accepting where we are in its totality.

Again, I stopped supporting Joker midway through his last year. I was a wait and see, not a pile on the guy. With stoops, I see things that has never been done here that you need to be successful. So I am willing to see this through and not.continue to start over every 4 years.

Talking about seeing this in its totality is really contradictive of you. The total.picture proves that we have been losing for 60 years. I find it hard to believe that we have hires 60 years of bad coaches. All I heard before Joker was fired his that we need a big named guy, or someone with head coach experience, they need SEC experience,l. Yada yada yada. We have done ALL of those in the last 60 years and here we are, still blaming coaches. So the big picture goes beyond the coach.

The big picture takes longer than 4 years to get done here. The big picture is taking steps toward being a relevant football team and those steps don't happen over night. The big picture is reversing 60 years of being awful and that doesn't happen over night. The big picture is Stoops is trying to reverse a roster that was one of the worst in FBS and while it is better, that doesn't happen in 3 years. The big picture takes time, commitment and support from EVERYONE involved, talent, experience, depth, chemistry, luck, and so much more. And all these have rough patches in the road that you must get through. If it were easy, then everyone would be doing it. For those that can only throw out "it's year four" so we should be where we want to be, in my opinion has no clout about telling others to see the big picture.

 

[merrimanm]

That's like being on the Titanic and thinking it had a chance until it broke in two.

BTW, you're a real piece of work. I sincerely hope you represent only a small portion of our fanbase.

A real piece of work because I support my team?

You know nothing about me.

By the way...dumb analogy.