Thoughts on another stellar night of Kentucky football

[morgousky]

Again, I stopped supporting Joker midway through his last year. I was a wait and see, not a pile on the guy. With stoops, I see things that has never been done here that you need to be successful. So I am willing to see this through and not.continue to start over every 4 years.

Talking about seeing this in its totality is really contradictive of you. The total.picture proves that we have been losing for 60 years. I find it hard to believe that we have hires 60 years of bad coaches. All I heard before Joker was fired his that we need a big named guy, or someone with head coach experience, they need SEC experience,l. Yada yada yada. We have done ALL of those in the last 60 years and here we are, still blaming coaches. So the big picture goes beyond the coach.

The big picture takes longer than 4 years to get done here. The big picture is taking steps toward being a relevant football team and those steps don't happen over night. The big picture is reversing 60 years of being awful and that doesn't happen over night. The big picture is Stoops is trying to reverse a roster that was one of the worst in FBS and while it is better, that doesn't happen in 3 years. The big picture takes time, commitment and support from EVERYONE involved, talent, experience, depth, chemistry, luck, and so much more. And all these have rough patches in the road that you must get through. If it were easy, then everyone would be doing it. For those that can only throw out "it's year four" so we should be where we want to be, in my opinion has no clout about telling others to see the big picture.

Merrimanm I'll tell ya this. Once you come out and say it's time for Stoops to go, Mitch will literally have no choice.

You're a fan of Stoops, I'm a fan of UK. Hopefully you come around soon and we get this football team on the track to competing for east titles.

 

[merrimanm]

Merrimanm I'll tell ya this. Once you come out and say it's time for Stoops to go, Mitch will literally have no choice.

You're a fan of Stoops, I'm a fan of UK. Hopefully you come around soon and we get this football team on the track to competing for east titles.

No, I am a fan of UK.

Answer this question. What has firing coaches left and right over the last 60 years done?

 

[morgousky]

No, I am a fan of UK.

Answer this question. What has firing coaches left and right over the last 60 years done?

I don't play that game. UK has never been in a situation where conference affiliation and mega millions of revenue inTV / ESPN deals have been at these levels. Actually, not even close. We've had AD's that would have done far more with that kind of revenue.

People that play the "we've never been able to do it before" are misinformed of our current place. We've got so many damn recourses to win now it's insane.

Also it's a myth that in the modern era you need 5,6,7 years to turn around a bad program. Great coaches can do it in 2 or 3. Decent / average coaches can do it in 4. The reason is financial. You can produce your product with a quickness.

 

[gojvc]

No, I am a fan of UK.

Answer this question. What has firing coaches left and right over the last 60 years done?

In 1981 we could have hired Howard Schnellenberger. In 1997 we could have hired Houston Nutt. In 2012 we could have hired Mike Leach. In 2013 we could have hired Bobby Petrino. I'm sure there are more. We keep having to fire coaches because we keep passing on superior options. Regardless, the fact that we've sucked for 60 years is no reason to retain an incompetent head coach today.

 

[merrimanm]

I don't play that game. UK has never been in a situation where conference affiliation and mega millions of revenue inTV / ESPN deals have been at these levels. Actually, not even close. We've had AD's that would have done far more with that kind of revenue.

People that play the "we've never been able to do it before" are misinformed of our current place. We've got so many damn recourses to win now it's insane.

Also it's a myth that in the modern era you need 5,6,7 years to turn around a bad program. Great coaches can do it in 2 or 3. Decent / average coaches can do it in 4. The reason is financial. You can produce your product with a quickness.

You're right. All you have to do.is throw money out. That will make you automatically win games.

You don't play that game because you know it.doesn't support your argument. There has been plenty of money to go get coaches and upgrade facilities in the past.

 

[merrimanm]

In 1981 we could have hired Howard Schnellenberger. In 1997 we could have hired Houston Nutt. In 2012 we could have hired Mike Leach. In 2013 we could have hired Bobby Petrino. I'm sure there are more. We keep having to fire coaches because we keep passing on superior options. Regardless, the fact that we've sucked for 60 years is no reason to ret9ain an incompetent head coach today.

You mean the same Houston Nutt that couldn't win at Ole Miss or Arkansas and got fired? You mean the same Mike leach that is 10 games under .500 at Washington State and currently sitting at 2-2 with losses to eastern Washington and Boise state in his FIFTH year? Gotcha.

Oh, and let's not act like Jerry Claiborne wasn't a proven commodity before coming here. And he also had some pretty good years here compared to most.

 

[gojvc]

You mean the same Houston Nutt that couldn't win at Ole Miss or Arkansas and got fired? You mean the same Mike leach that is 10 games under .500 at Washington State and currently sitting at 2-2 with losses to eastern Washington and Boise state in his FIFTH year? Gotcha.

The Houston Nutt that couldn't win at Arkansas was 18-8 in his last two seasons there. He wouldn't get fired here for that. And you conviently didn't mention Leach's stellar record at TTU or the fact he won 9 games in his fourth year at WSU. To even attempt to compare Mark Stoops situation with those two coaches shows you are a fundamentally unserious voice in the discussion. What a joke.

 

[Woodrow24]

You mean the same Houston Nutt that couldn't win at Ole Miss or Arkansas and got fired? You mean the same Mike leach that is 10 games under .500 at Washington State and currently sitting at 2-2 with losses to eastern Washington and Boise state in his FIFTH year? Gotcha.

Oh, and let's not act like Jerry Claiborne wasn't a proven commodity before coming here. And he also had some pretty good years here.

Even with the examples you have given, it's fair to say that we have a long history of making terrible football hires.

 

[merrimanm]

The Houston Nutt that couldn't win at Arkansas was 18-8 in his last two seasons there. He wouldn't get fired here for that. And you conviently didn't mention Leach's stellar record at TTU or the fact he won 9 games in his fourth year at WSU. To even attempt to compare Mark Stoops situation with those two coaches shows you are a fundamentally unserious voice in the discussion. What a joke.

I don't care what he did at TTU. Again, that should prove even more that you can't compare time frames of other coaches at other schools. He is 2-2 in his 5th year at this school and has lost to 2 bad teams. For yall to continue to dismiss the past of Kentucky football, yall sure like to use the past of coaches to prove their worth.

And 18-8 with the talent he had at Arkansas is not something to brag about. 18-8 with our talent would be though.

 

[merrimanm]

Even with the examples you have given, it's fair to say that we have a long history of making terrible football hires.

Some were bad. Joker and Mumme to name the 2. But Claiborne, Brooks, Curci and even Curry were considered proven before they came here. So why could all those guys do it elsewhere, but not here? Did they forget how to coach?

 

[gojvc]

I don't care what he did at TTU. Again, that should prove even more that you can't compare time frames of other coaches at other schools. He is 2-2 in his 5th year at this school and has lost to 2 bad teams. For yall to continue to dismiss the past of Kentucky football, yall sure like to use the past of coaches to prove their worth.

And 18-8 with the talent he had at Arkansas is not something to brag about. 18-8 with our talent would be though.

UK past is not the same situation as UK 2016. We have all the facilities and resources we need to win now. The problem is that the head coach sucks. And excusing that just because we sucked at football in 1966 is going to change it.

 

[gojvc]

Some were bad. Joker and Mumme to name the 2. But Claiborne, Brooks, Curci and even Curry were considered proven before they came here. So why could all those guys do it elsewhere, but not here? Did they forget how to coach?

They didn't have what we have now in terms of facilities and resources. You're comparing apples and oranges. A first grader could see that.

 

[merrimanm]

They didn't have what we have now in terms of facilities and resources. You're comparing apples and oranges. A first grader could see that.

Really??? Other than facilities that were finished THIS year, what resources are you talking about?

And as to your other post, the past of UK football is very mucheap alive in 2016. Yes we have better facilities and more tv time. But we also still have a poor talent pool in our state. We still play other teams with far more talent than us. We still have to go.to other states to get the players they don't want. We still have to play teams that have far more.winning traditions and cultures than we do. We still have the perception that all people that are UK fans care about is basketball. Much is the same.

 

[BoNicholas]

It was better for a half than I thought it would be. Let's just be honest though. It just wasn't a TOTAL embarrassment. That shouldn't be the standard in year 4. I'm not saying we should go into Bama' and win. I'm just saying that I feel like this was the best that could have happened, and that's not good enough. Credit to Jordan Jones, Baitey, Benny Snell, Stephen Johnson and a few others who did their part.

 

[Woodrow24]

Some were bad. Joker and Mumme to name the 2. But Claiborne, Brooks, Curci and even Curry were considered proven before they came here. So why could all those guys do it elsewhere, but not here? Did they forget how to coach?

The past is something that can't be changed. It is what it is. Using it as a crutch and not striving for change are issues that keep our program at the bottom of the barrel. I can honestly say that you defend stoops harder then any poster on here. That's your opinion and the season isn't over. You haven't been proven wrong yet. It's just easier for people to rebuttal you when stoops is on every single hot seat list you can find, media members discuss how they think he isn't the man for the job, lost to a conference USA team this season, etc. I would rather you be right. Would work out a lot better if he gets the program to a bowl and we can build off of that. If this is another 5 win season I think it's time to go another direction and find a new coach.

 

[merrimanm]

The past is something that can't be changed. It is what it is. Using it as a crutch and not striving for change are issues that keep our program at the bottom of the barrel. I can honestly say that you defend stoops harder then any poster on here. That's your opinion and the season isn't over. You haven't been proven wrong yet. It's just easier for people to rebuttal you when stoops is on every single hot seat list you can find, media members discuss how they think he isn't the man for the job, lost to a conference USA team this season, etc. I would rather you be right. Would work out a lot better if he gets the program to a bowl and we can build off of that. If this is another 5 win season I think it's time to go another direction and find a new coach.

You're right. You can't change the past. But the past helps determine how hard the future is going to be. So I am not using it as a crutch. But I am also not in the camp.that you can erase it in such a short amount of time.

I will say again. I don't know.of Stoops is the answer or not. But at this point I don't know that he isn't either. Circumstances determine a lot. But people over look them for their own selist reasons. Everyone on this board, for the most part, wants UK to be relevant in college football so bad. So it clouds their judgement. Yes, including me.
But circumstances changes things. For example, before the year started we had injuries, people getting kicked off the team, young and unproven players in key spots, a new OC, qb coach, WR coach, special teams/ LBers coach. Those things change the circumstances and one cannot look and just scream its year four so things should be changed. There is more to it than just a number of years. And I dont.care what others have done at other schools. It isn't the same as it is here.

 

[merrimanm]

The Houston Nutt that couldn't win at Arkansas was 18-8 in his last two seasons there. He wouldn't get fired here for that. And you conviently didn't mention Leach's stellar record at TTU or the fact he won 9 games in his fourth year at WSU. To even attempt to compare Mark Stoops situation with those two coaches shows you are a fundamentally unserious voice in the discussion. What a joke.

Also, speaking of resources, I think Leach at TTU had a major resource over UK....a recruiting base. It's crazy how his record isn't so stellarat a place with much less resources. Ones that UK still fights.

 

[Woodrow24]

You're right. You can't change the past. But the past helps determine how hard the future is going to be. So I am not using it as a crutch. But I am also not in the camp.that you can erase it in such a short amount of time.

I will say again. I don't know.of Stoops is the answer or not. But at this point I don't know that he isn't either. Circumstances determine a lot. But people over look them for their own selist reasons. Everyone on this board, for the most part, wants UK to be relevant in college football so bad. So it clouds their judgement. Yes, including me.
But circumstances changes things. For example, before the year started we had injuries, people getting kicked off the team, young and unproven players in key spots, a new OC, qb coach, WR coach, special teams/ LBers coach. Those things change the circumstances and one cannot look and just scream its year four so things should be changed. There is more to it than just a number of years. And I dont.care what others have done at other schools. It isn't the same as it is here.

Good examples of factors involving the season. I wasn't saying your using it as a crutch I'm just saying that the past needs to stay in the past as far as changing the culture of this program. We need to be the "new" Kentucky that teams don't schedule for their homecoming games anymore. If we don't make it to a bowl, instead of doing what so many AD's have done in the past make a bold statement. Find a new coach and pay whatever it takes to get a top of the line staff that matches our new top notch facilities.

 

[merrimanm]

Good examples of factors involving the season. I wasn't saying your using it as a crutch I'm just saying that the past needs to stay in the past as far as changing the culture of this program. We need to be the "new" Kentucky that teams don't schedule for their homecoming games anymore. If we don't make it to a bowl, instead of doing what so many AD's have done in the past make a bold statement. Find a new coach and pay whatever it takes to get a top of the line staff that matches our new top notch facilities.

I understand what you are saying, but I don't think you can simply ignore the past and be new. We have to look at the past so that we can help our future. Maybe that is the history teacher in me, but I believe we have to learn from our past. One of the lessons I look at is not firing coaches to soon. We have a history of doing that and it hasn't worked. Think about what Stoops has done so far. Now realize that NEXT year will be the first time he has had his recruits only as upper classman with experience. We will have 19 or so starters back assuming it stays in tact. Add to that that we only have 11 seniors, and that should provide us some depth as well. So I have always been in the camp that 2017 is the real test. Am I saying 10 wins? No, because the schedule still stacks against us. But should we go to a good bowl next year? Yes.

I was never in the camp that this years team would win 7 or 8. Just too much unknown. I was more 6 wins. Then add in the suspensions, dismissals, and injuries and that changed a lot. If this team wins 5, I think Stoops should get another year due to the fact that we didn't regress in the win column, and also from what I mentioned above.

But again, if next year the circumstances remain as they should be, then Stoops had better take us to a respectable bowl. I am not so sure we won't make a bowl game this year still.

 

[1Blouman]

I like Erik's take on the game.

 

[Woodrow24]

I understand what you are saying, but I don't think you can simply ignore the past and be new. We have to look at the past so that we can help our future. Maybe that is the history teacher in me, but I believe we have to learn from our past. One of the lessons I look at is not firing coaches to soon. We have a history of doing that and it hasn't worked. Think about what Stoops has done so far. Now realize that NEXT year will be the first time he has had his recruits only as upper classman with experience. We will have 19 or so starters back assuming it stays in tact. Add to that that we only have 11 seniors, and that should provide us some depth as well. So I have always been in the camp that 2017 is the real test. Am I saying 10 wins? No, because the schedule still stacks against us. But should we go to a good bowl next year? Yes.

I was never in the camp that this years team would win 7 or 8. Just too much unknown. I was more 6 wins. Then add in the suspensions, dismissals, and injuries and that changed a lot. If this team wins 5, I think Stoops should get another year due to the fact that we didn't regress in the win column, and also from what I mentioned above.

But again, if next year the circumstances remain as they should be, then Stoops had better take us to a respectable bowl. I am not so sure we won't make a bowl game this year still.

You make good points. Gonna be hard to get people on board with stoops staying if he gets just 5 wins this season. It doesn't help when our rival school has a great team and we are begging for 6 wins. Puts a lot of salt on the wound for people and that's understandable. We all just want to have a good program. Only time will tell if our coaching staff can get it done.

 

[CatsFanatic07]

I understand what you are saying, but I don't think you can simply ignore the past and be new. We have to look at the past so that we can help our future. Maybe that is the history teacher in me, but I believe we have to learn from our past. One of the lessons I look at is not firing coaches to soon. We have a history of doing that and it hasn't worked. Think about what Stoops has done so far. Now realize that NEXT year will be the first time he has had his recruits only as upper classman with experience. We will have 19 or so starters back assuming it stays in tact. Add to that that we only have 11 seniors, and that should provide us some depth as well. So I have always been in the camp that 2017 is the real test. Am I saying 10 wins? No, because the schedule still stacks against us. But should we go to a good bowl next year? Yes.

I was never in the camp that this years team would win 7 or 8. Just too much unknown. I was more 6 wins. Then add in the suspensions, dismissals, and injuries and that changed a lot. If this team wins 5, I think Stoops should get another year due to the fact that we didn't regress in the win column, and also from what I mentioned above.

But again, if next year the circumstances remain as they should be, then Stoops had better take us to a respectable bowl. I am not so sure we won't make a bowl game this year still.

You are a sane UK football fan. Don't waste your sanity on the trolls of this board. Stoops plainly is on a hot seat but the fans running him off now have no idea the ramifications of how an administration change works. We are still seeing the problems associated to losing Brown as OC.

 

[stuway]

@merrimanm So when Stoops wins 2 games this year Joker will have a better record. There is you subtance man. Now sit back and cry as you watch it happen. Then you wont be able to argue that we are better than when Joker was here and we will in fact be worse.

Cause by your calculations Joker won 13...after this year if Stoops wins 2 thats only 12. Again, there is your substance. I will be here after we win 1 or 2 more to watch you eat crow!!

 

[merrimanm]

@merrimanm So when Stoops wins 2 games this year Joker will have a better record. There is you subtance man. Now sit back and cry as you watch it happen. Then you wont be able to argue that we are better than when Joker was here and we will in fact be worse.

Cause by your calculations Joker won 13...after this year if Stoops wins 2 thats only 12. Again, there is your substance. I will be here after we win 1 or 2 more to watch you eat crow!!

You can't just look at wins. That is a small minded approach. Look what each inherited and projection of the program under their tenure. It isn't even remotely the same. IMO, Stoops first year shouldn't even count against him. In my mind this is year 3 for him. The first year he didn't even have time to much of a recruiting class together. So he was coaching players that were some of the worst in FBS, and only a handful of guys he could recruit last second.

 

[LowCountryCat]

And we stoppedal them. So they didn't do what they wanted to.

Also, I didn't support Joker until the end. I supported him up until the midway point of his last year and then was done.

Ah, so when we were 2-4.

 

[LowCountryCat]

You can't just look at wins. That is a small minded approach.

You're so right, only stupid fake fans look at wins.

 

[LowCountryCat]

You're right. All you have to do.is throw money out. That will make you automatically win games.

You don't play that game because you know it.doesn't support your argument. There has been plenty of money to go get coaches and upgrade facilities in the past.

Uh, isn't that EXACTLY what Mitch did in Stoops' second year, with that unheard of extension?

I swear, you open the door into your own face every time.

 

[LowCountryCat]

I understand what you are saying, but I don't think you can simply ignore the past and be new. We have to look at the past so that we can help our future. Maybe that is the history teacher in me, but I believe we have to learn from our past. One of the lessons I look at is not firing coaches to soon. We have a history of doing that and it hasn't worked. Think about what Stoops has done so far. Now realize that NEXT year will be the first time he has had his recruits only as upper classman with experience. We will have 19 or so starters back assuming it stays in tact. Add to that that we only have 11 seniors, and that should provide us some depth as well. So I have always been in the camp that 2017 is the real test. Am I saying 10 wins? No, because the schedule still stacks against us. But should we go to a good bowl next year? Yes.

I was never in the camp that this years team would win 7 or 8. Just too much unknown. I was more 6 wins. Then add in the suspensions, dismissals, and injuries and that changed a lot. If this team wins 5, I think Stoops should get another year due to the fact that we didn't regress in the win column, and also from what I mentioned above.

But again, if next year the circumstances remain as they should be, then Stoops had better take us to a respectable bowl. I am not so sure we won't make a bowl game this year still.

We have a HISTORY of firing coaches too soon? Who did we pull the trigger on? Joker? Mumme? Curry? Morriss?

Give me a break.

 

[merrimanm]

Uh, isn't that EXACTLY what Mitch did in Stoops' second year, with that unheard of extension?

I swear, you open the door into your own face every time.

What an idiot response. Did I ever say that I supported and extension or buyout??? No I did not.

 

[merrimanm]

You're so right, only stupid fake fans look at wins.

At this point in time, yes!! You have to crawl before you can walk.

 

[law1127]

Until UK finds a young Calipari type football coach, we'll struggle . This means the coach has to be a great motivator,salesman, willing to adjust his schemes,strategies, to his players that he currently has. Until all these boxes on the coaching resume can be checked off, than UK struggles! A conservative,bland ,middle of the road coach will not be successful here. Just back from the Alabama game and can accurately compare facilities and environment , UK 's are nicer just not as big a stadium . Other than that,UK has what's necessary for the right coach ,to have at least a middle of the road SEC football program! And no all the previously mentioned coaches ,did not check all the boxes needed to be successful at UK. Schnllenberger ,if hired could have built the program, just like he did at louisville ,when they beat Alabama in that bowl game!

 

[CB3UK]

I understand what you are saying, but I don't think you can simply ignore the past and be new. We have to look at the past so that we can help our future. Maybe that is the history teacher in me, but I believe we have to learn from our past. One of the lessons I look at is not firing coaches to soon. We have a history of doing that and it hasn't worked. Think about what Stoops has done so far. Now realize that NEXT year will be the first time he has had his recruits only as upper classman with experience. We will have 19 or so starters back assuming it stays in tact. Add to that that we only have 11 seniors, and that should provide us some depth as well. So I have always been in the camp that 2017 is the real test. Am I saying 10 wins? No, because the schedule still stacks against us. But should we go to a good bowl next year? Yes.

I was never in the camp that this years team would win 7 or 8. Just too much unknown. I was more 6 wins. Then add in the suspensions, dismissals, and injuries and that changed a lot. If this team wins 5, I think Stoops should get another year due to the fact that we didn't regress in the win column, and also from what I mentioned above.

But again, if next year the circumstances remain as they should be, then Stoops had better take us to a respectable bowl. I am not so sure we won't make a bowl game this year still.

Where did you get the notion we have a history of firing coaches too quickly? Here's the list from the Bear on, I'll wait for a rational explanation but I have a feeling we'll have already kicked off against Vandy this weekend before I hear one that makes a lick of sense:

Bear Bryant - 8 seasons
Blanton Collier - 8
Charlie Bradshaw - 7
John Ray - 4 (worst coach in UK history)
Fran Curci - 9
Jerry Claiborne - 8
Bill Curry - 7
Hal Mumme - 4 (cheating)
Guy Morris - 2 (Baylor)
Rich Brooks - 7
Joker Phillips - 3 (2nd worst tenure)
Mark Stoops - 4 and counting

 

[morgousky]

You didn't learn much when you "played" if you did which sounds a little like internet bs.

Not even close.

Saban was totally out of character against UK. He was using the game to open up his QB.

Hate to break it to you, but if Saban stuck to his conventional style, and pretended that was Auburn on that field, Uk would have been hilariously dismantled. Believe what you want. I watch Saban, and what we saw wasnt it.

 

[morgousky]

Where did you get the notion we have a history of firing coaches too quickly? Here's the list from the Bear on, I'll wait for a rational explanation but I have a feeling we'll have already kicked off against Vandy this weekend before I hear one that makes a lick of sense:

Bear Bryant - 8 seasons
Blanton Collier - 8
Charlie Bradshaw - 7
John Ray - 4 (worst coach in UK history)
Fran Curci - 9
Jerry Claiborne - 8
Bill Curry - 7
Hal Mumme - 4 (cheating)
Guy Morris - 2 (Baylor)
Rich Brooks - 7
Joker Phillips - 3 (2nd worst tenure)
Mark Stoops - 4 and counting

Because the 4 pumpers have to maintain the talking points whether true or not.

1. UK fires coahes too quickly. - not true
2. UK lacks fan support - not true
3. UK can't win at the level we expect because of in state talent - not true (see louisville)
4. UK doesn't have the recourses of other programs - not true
5. UK can't afford to pay 12 million and hire a new coach - not true
6. NO other AD has been able to do it either - not true, and completely void in thought of the current sec / NIKE / ESPN MEGA million dollar deals that no other AD has had the privilege of bargaining from.

But I've decided to let them rattle on. It will make it that much sweeter in the end.

 

[morgousky]

You're right. All you have to do.is throw money out. That will make you automatically win games.

You don't play that game because you know it.doesn't support your argument. There has been plenty of money to go get coaches and upgrade facilities in the past.

LMAO dude, seriously, college football has NEVER brought in this kind of revenue. I don't play that game because I know better. The ESPN / NIKE / SEC deals are insane now. No,, no other AD in school history has had that kind of revenue to deal with. Not even close.

You can have your opinion but not your facts sir.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

I don't care what he did at TTU. Again, that should prove even more that you can't compare time frames of other coaches at other schools. He is 2-2 in his 5th year at this school and has lost to 2 bad teams. For yall to continue to dismiss the past of Kentucky football, yall sure like to use the past of coaches to prove their worth.

And 18-8 with the talent he had at Arkansas is not something to brag about. 18-8 with our talent would be though.

Note: Boise State is not bad. I'd hate to see what they'd do to us.

 

[Comebakatz3]

True to a point. Good teams make you beat them by making you beat their best player. Boom needed more touches. However Jojo did get most of his carries from the wildcat which he is actually good at running.

I personally hate the wildcat. If you want to run it then run it in a fashion that gives you at least some semblance of a threat to pass the ball. If you have a running back in the backfield who has ran the wildcat for 3 years and during that time he has thrown 1 pass for an interception then why would you ever be concerned as a defense that he might burn you? I get the idea of getting an extra blocker and not just having a QB that hands off and then doesn't block, but if you can't pass the ball out of the wildcat then it makes it much easier to stop and you're just telegraphing your punch.

 

[ukalum1988]

You can't just look at wins. That is a small minded approach. Look what each inherited and projection of the program under their tenure. It isn't even remotely the same. IMO, Stoops first year shouldn't even count against him. In my mind this is year 3 for him. The first year he didn't even have time to much of a recruiting class together. So he was coaching players that were some of the worst in FBS, and only a handful of guys he could recruit last second.

 

[merrimanm]

LMAO dude, seriously, college football has NEVER brought in this kind of revenue. I don't play that game because I know better. The ESPN / NIKE / SEC deals are insane now. No,, no other AD in school history has had that kind of revenue to deal with. Not even close.

You can have your opinion but not your facts sir.

Yeah, and that same money is going to ALL programs. Therefore, there is no advantage. You act like we are the only ones that get that money.

 

[merrimanm]

Typical response of those that have no argument. Immediately start calling names.