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[LeonThe Camel]

Let's let him get his licks in at some other P5 bottom feeder or a little bit higher up mid major before we make a decision on him.

Purdue, SMU, Boston College, Fresno State, Oregon State, Kansas, etc...

I wish NB all the best and would love for him to succeed and proceed, but I think it would work out for all if he went and got some legit experience in the big boy leagues before he came here.

So let him go to one of those schools and then see if he is interested in a lateral move to us. Not sure of the point in doing it.

 

[buster3.0]

So you want him to be successful at some other bottom feeder P5 school and them come to UK? Why would he, or any other successful P5 coach, want to come to UK?

Exactly. Too many fans are living in a dream world as to the attractiveness of the UK job. The UK AD has never been one to offer big bucks for coaches, especially to the assistants the head guy wants to bring in, and that is key.

Cal certainly gets all of his wants. Highest paid assistant coaching staff in the country. Top notch practice facilities. Largest recruiting budget in the country. The dude has private jets available to him to go and recruit. Cal gets whatever he asks for. However, Cal has earned that. The UK basketball program based on its historical record has earned that. I am not convinced UK will ever make available the kind of resources to a football coaching staff that the power programs in the SEC provide.

 

[BARRYBLUE1]

Who cares ?

 

[Los Gatos]

Yes, and for the same reason all other coaches leave jobs for other jobs. Money.

If some hot up and coming coach does well at a Illinoise, BC, IU, Maryland, Texas Tech, Kansas State, Uconn, etc...offer him a million more dollars a year, tell him about the new state of the art football center, beat the SEC drums...

If a coach is successful at any of those programs there will be plenty of mid-level P5 programs who will offer him the same million a year or even more.

Why would he come to another bottom feeder?

 

[truebluewildcat_rivals34254]

I think folks catch the fever every year for the new hot name, especially if he is an offensive guy.

That type of candidate may cut the mustard at UT, Florida, Arkansas, etc...programs that are more established and have a football first spare no expense philosophy.

UK requires somebody with a bit more experience. We can't be somebody's proving ground. We have to aggressively go after the guys who have already proven themselves in comparable situations.

Guys like Ken Niumatalolo and Troy Calhoun who have built competitive programs at Navy and Air force with less talent, limited resources and time available for football.

June Jones who won and got to bowl games at Hawaii and SMU.

Or guys like Houston Nutt, Ed Orgeron, Randy Shannon, Lane Kiffin, etc. Guys who have legit P5 and HC experience, who have taken their lumps, who have a better understanding of what it takes.

Rich Brooks had a losing overall record, was retired, etc. Not necessarily the most glamorous candidate, but he had legit experience at foundation laying and program building.

Chris Petersen, should have been pursued. 7 years of program building and winning at Boise St. Look what he's doing at Washington. That's the type of mid major guy you go after, he had nearly a 100 wins, and more of a body of work to look at and evaluate than a lot of hot new mid major names people are throwing around.

The brand spanking new guys just don't work out here.

 

[megablue]

SoMiss also won in record-breaking fashion, albeit over a winless Rice team:

Senior quarterback Nick Mullens threw for a school-record 591 yards and four touchdowns, while junior receiverAllenzae Staggers caught six passes for a single-game record 292 yards and three scores as Southern Miss overwhelmed the Owls 44-28.

"It makes us a balanced football team because we can throw it and we can run it," Southern Miss coach Jay Hopson said. "That's always a good thing when we can be dangerous at both, and that's what we're striving to be."

http://www.southernmiss.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/100116aaa.html

 

[CatsPaws270]

I think folks catch the fever every year for the new hot name, especially if he is an offensive guy.

That type of candidate may cut the mustard at UT, Florida, Arkansas, etc...programs that are more established and have a football first spare no expense philosophy.

UK requires somebody with a bit more experience. We can't be somebody's proving ground. We have to aggressively go after the guys who have already proven themselves in comparable situations.

Guys like Ken Niumatalolo and Troy Calhoun who have built competitive programs at Navy and Air force with less talent, limited resources and time available for football.

June Jones who won and got to bowl games at Hawaii and SMU.

Or guys like Houston Nutt, Ed Orgeron, Randy Shannon, Lane Kiffin, etc. Guys who have legit P5 and HC experience, who have taken their lumps, who have a better understanding of what it takes.

Rich Brooks had a losing overall record, was retired, etc. Not necessarily the most glamorous candidate, but he had legit experience at foundation laying and program building.

Chris Petersen, should have been pursued. 7 years of program building and winning at Boise St. Look what he's doing at Washington. That's the type of mid major guy you go after, he had nearly a 100 wins, and more of a body of work to look at and evaluate than a lot of hot new mid major names people are throwing around.

The brand spanking new guys just don't work out here.

Rich Brooks was a coach that built Oregon into a powerhouse school and reached BCS/NY6 type bowl games and then went on to coach in the NFL. Brooks was not glamorous by any means at the time considering the fan base wanted Spurrier and Parcells...but he was not a bad choice at all and you are really underselling his resume. Some of those coaches you named failed at other schools, Brooks was never a failure.

You basically just said that UK needs a retread power 5 coach that gets average results and have failed at bigger schools. Peterson had been offered by way bigger programs than UK and he said no. I agree with Kiffin...but those retreads are just coaches who cannot win at UK.

 

[truebluewildcat_rivals34254]

Rich Brooks was a coach that built Oregon into a powerhouse school and reached BCS/NY6 type bowl games and then went on to coach in the NFL. Brooks was not glamorous by any means at the time considering the fan base wanted Spurrier and Parcells...but he was not a bad choice at all and you are really underselling his resume. Some of those coaches you named failed at other schools, Brooks was never a failure.

You basically just said that UK needs a retread power 5 coach that gets average results and have failed at bigger schools. Peterson had been offered by way bigger programs than UK and he said no. I agree with Kiffin...but those retreads are just coaches who cannot win at UK.

CRB had six .500 or better season out of 18 at Oregon. 1 Bowl win out of 4.

I'm not underselling him, I'm saying what he was. He was a coach with great many years experience, who had built up a bottom feeder. Not really a glamorous hire or home run, but a solid double who could maybe steel 3rd.

I don't think June Jones is a retread. He has 30 years experience and winning record, some time in the pros, essentially built two programs and put them on the map, and is a widely considered an offensive guru.

Those other guys have good P5 experience, not necessarily glamorous, but good records. Nutt has extensive HC experience from Murray State, to arkansas, to 2 good years at ole miss. He has a winning record and 4 bowl wins.

Big ed...not a great first time around as HC, but he's long been considered one of the better coordinator/assistants in the game, as well as a top recruiter. Won 6 games as interim at USC, we'll see how he does finishing out this year.

Randy Shannon....500 HC, not really Miami grade, but his defenses as DC were some of the best, and it's no coincidence florida has one of the best Ds right now, also a really good recruiter that knows the southern trails.

None of the guys I listed are top tier Texas, USC, Notre Dame grade, but that is why i listed them. They are solid candidates for what UK is.


They don't need to be the only names on the list, but they need to be on the list.

 

[CatsPaws270]

CRB had six .500 or better season out of 18 at Oregon. 1 Bowl win out of 4.

I'm not underselling him, I'm saying what he was. He was a coach with great many years experience, who had built up a bottom feeder. Not really a glamorous hire or home run, but a solid double who could maybe steel 3rd.

I don't think June Jones is a retread. He has 30 years experience and winning record, some time in the pros, essentially built two programs and put them on the map, and is a widely considered an offensive guru.

Those other guys have good P5 experience, not necessarily glamorous, but good records. Nutt has extensive HC experience from Murray State, to arkansas, to 2 good years at ole miss. He has a winning record and 4 bowl wins.

Big ed...not a great first time around as HC, but he's long been considered one of the better coordinator/assistants in the game, as well as a top recruiter. Won 6 games as interim at USC, we'll see how he does finishing out this year.

Randy Shannon....500 HC, not really Miami grade, but his defenses as DC were some of the best, and it's no coincidence florida has one of the best Ds right now, also a really good recruiter that knows the southern trails.

None of the guys I listed are top tier Texas, USC, Notre Dame grade, but that is why i listed them. They are solid candidates for what UK is.


They don't need to be the only names on the list, but they need to be on the list.

Brooks was not fired at Oregon, he left for a better job in the NFL. A losing record yes, but he was not fired...he moved up to the professionals. Brooks is similar to a Greg Schiano. Brooks was so good that they named the stadium after him when he left Oregon.

Randy Shannon was FIRED at Miami with top level talent what makes you think he could win at UK w/o the luxury of Florida athletes, Ed Orgeron was FIRED at Ole Miss and was a disaster there, Nutt went 2-10 his last year at Ole Miss and were so bad they lost to Joker and UK and was FIRED, June Jones had a losing record at SMU and resigned and was being called disinterested and a terrible coach before resigning because of the pressure and is now an OC at a high school. These guys were run out of town and haven't proven they can build a program at a high level.

I'm all for 2nd chances on guys that have turned their careers around at another school first(Maybe Ed O could), but those guys above were run out of town at their last jobs and there is a reason they are not coaching anywhere now.

You talk about how we need experienced guys who know how to build a program like Brooks, but you bring up guys who have not accomplished anything and have been embarrassed at their last job, and compare that to Brooks who built a program from nothing and ended his career at Oregon in the Rose Bowl and left for an NFL job. If those guys couldn't even be above average at better programs, how do they have the knowledge to win big at a traditional SEC loser that struggles to compete talent wise in recruiting.

 

[zannmann]

Brown already struggled here. His offense at UK was horrendous.

 

[truebluewildcat_rivals34254]

Brooks was not fired at Oregon, he left for a better job in the NFL. A losing record yes, but he was not fired...he moved up to the professionals. Brooks is similar to a Greg Schiano. Brooks was so good that they named the stadium after him when he left Oregon.

Randy Shannon was FIRED at Miami with top level talent what makes you think he could win at UK w/o the luxury of Florida athletes, Ed Orgeron was FIRED at Ole Miss and was a disaster there, Nutt went 2-10 his last year at Ole Miss and were so bad they lost to Joker and UK and was FIRED, June Jones had a losing record at SMU and resigned and was being called disinterested and a terrible coach before resigning because of the pressure and is now an OC at a high school. These guys were run out of town and haven't proven they can build a program at a high level.

I'm all for 2nd chances on guys that have turned their careers around at another school first(Maybe Ed O could), but those guys above were run out of town at their last jobs and there is a reason they are not coaching anywhere now.

You talk about how we need experienced guys who know how to build a program like Brooks, but you bring up guys who have not accomplished anything and have been embarrassed at their last job, and compare that to Brooks who built a program from nothing and ended his career at Oregon in the Rose Bowl and left for an NFL job. If those guys couldn't even be above average at better programs, how do they have the knowledge to win big at a traditional SEC loser that struggles to compete talent wise in recruiting.

Nutt may have ended rough, but you are ignoring what he did at Murray St and Arkansas. He has 135 wins as a head coach.

Would hardly call June Jones putting Hawaii on the map nothing. For the love of God, it's hawaii. Maybe he lost interest at SMU, doesn't change the fact that he took that program from the deep dark abyss to competitive relevancy. If he's no longer interested in coaching more than high school football, so be it, that's all he has to say if someone gives him a call.

Randy Shannon, really small sample size at Miami. Also consider the scandalous mess he inherited. Would like to see what he does at another stop that isn't caught up in turmoil. Maybe he's better off as a DC. With his florida D performing like they are, i would say that he will get another gig at some point. Maybe Vandy.

Big Ed is a reach, but he seems to be trending in the right direction. Like shannon, maybe he is just a top coordinator/assistant.

Again, not saying these guys are the top of the list home runs that we have to go all in for.

I think there is a fundamental detachment from reality with all UK fans who throw out all the popular names every time a coaching change seems inevitable, and then snub their noses at any candidate that isn't the next Saban, Meyer, or Chip Kelly.

All these cats on the rise with no baggage or bumps in the road on their resume and who will have a number of suitors, are not going to be realistic for UK.

If we wan't the home run guy then we need the home run money and commitment to football and that will never happen.

Realistically we are not looking for someone who is going to win 9 games in short order. We are looking for someone who can come in and in a couple years time be winning 6-7 games and not getting embarrassed by big boys.

Once we can accomplish some sort of respectable stability over a period of time, then you look for somebody who can come in and take the next step.

 

[CatsPaws270]

Nutt may have ended rough, but you are ignoring what he did at Murray St and Arkansas. He has 135 wins as a head coach.

Would hardly call June Jones putting Hawaii on the map nothing. For the love of God, it's hawaii. Maybe he lost interest at SMU, doesn't change the fact that he took that program from the deep dark abyss to competitive relevancy. If he's no longer interested in coaching more than high school football, so be it, that's all he has to say if someone gives him a call.

Randy Shannon, really small sample size at Miami. Also consider the scandalous mess he inherited. Would like to see what he does at another stop that isn't caught up in turmoil. Maybe he's better off as a DC. With his florida D performing like they are, i would say that he will get another gig at some point. Maybe Vandy.

Big Ed is a reach, but he seems to be trending in the right direction. Like shannon, maybe he is just a top coordinator/assistant.

Again, not saying these guys are the top of the list home runs that we have to go all in for.

I think there is a fundamental detachment from reality with all UK fans who throw out all the popular names every time a coaching change seems inevitable, and then snub their noses at any candidate that isn't the next Saban, Meyer, or Chip Kelly.

All these cats on the rise with no baggage or bumps in the road on their resume and who will have a number of suitors, are not going to be realistic for UK.

If we wan't the home run guy then we need the home run money and commitment to football and that will never happen.

Realistically we are not looking for someone who is going to win 9 games in short order. We are looking for someone who can come in and in a couple years time be winning 6-7 games and not getting embarrassed by big boys.

Once we can accomplish some sort of respectable stability over a period of time, then you look for somebody who can come in and take the next step.

But you are bringing up guys who could not even take the next step with elite talent and/or dominate in smaller conferences. I'm just saying that none of those guys are comparable to Rich Brooks. If those coaches couldn't cut the mustard at better schools and weaker conferences, its probably a given they could not win at UK.

There are a reason that none of those coaches have jobs. I never said we could get a Saban...but we should not be relegated to get coaches that no one else wants who couldn't do well at other jobs. Our best bet is to get an up and comer that we can snatch up before anyone else gets them or at least get a proven coach that has a track record of not getting fired and run out of town. I'd rather take a risk and bring in the energy of someone who has potential than a coach we all know would be average at best and could not bring enthusiasm to the fans, players, and recruits.