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- Thread starter Been Jammin
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I don't know, to have that many trapped in one place - could they have not gotten some tractors, attacked some sort of bad *** combination of large lawn mower blades and chain saws and just driven through that crowd? (In Juan of the Dead, one of the guys hooked up a spinning contraption on top of his car that kept 20 ft chains flailing at a high speed which ended up decapitating zombies as he drove through a crowd of them.)
In reality, I was thinking set up some chutes where those two trailers were backed together and direct the zombie crowd so that only one or two at a time were released - kill them, drag the bodies out of the way and release a few more at a time. (literally, just like the chutes they use at a slaughter house where you can manage the entire thing.) Rinse and repeat. At 4 kills per minute, you could reduce their number by 120 per hour and at the end of an 8 hr shift - you would have tallied some 1,900+ walkers. Some spears to do the killing, so that no one comes within biting range and in a day or two the place would have been completely free of infestation. Certainly no more work than all the effort that went into building that fence to direct them to the West.
In reality, I was thinking set up some chutes where those two trailers were backed together and direct the zombie crowd so that only one or two at a time were released - kill them, drag the bodies out of the way and release a few more at a time. (literally, just like the chutes they use at a slaughter house where you can manage the entire thing.) Rinse and repeat. At 4 kills per minute, you could reduce their number by 120 per hour and at the end of an 8 hr shift - you would have tallied some 1,900+ walkers. Some spears to do the killing, so that no one comes within biting range and in a day or two the place would have been completely free of infestation. Certainly no more work than all the effort that went into building that fence to direct them to the West.
I assume you mean Ron, the son of the guy Rick killed. I would say that the two most likely candidates are The Wolves or Ron. I will give you a third possibility. What about Carl's girlfriend? Maybe she is one of The Wolves and was sent to infiltrate the community. Maybe that is why she is frequently sneaking out (to make contact with the rest of the Wolves).
They talked about that option and said that it would just delay the inevitable. Sooner or later they would get out of the quarry.
Zombies would just walk into the wall and each other, eventually building a stinking corpse ramp and would walk over it and end up standing on Ricks porch.
They are really doing all they can do at this point besides maybe getting the old fire truck, filling with gas instead of water and spraying that all over the zombies with the intent to light a match.
I think the horn honker is Ron. The wolves were my second guess, but they had lookouts posted so I felt that Ron was more plausible. Who knows...
Very, very good episode. They stepped up the game after trudging through last season. Things ramped down after the governor deal, so this is refreshing to see this.
Walking Dead is looking like it could go on for a long time as a show. If they can keep it up, it will definitely be interesting outside of enjoying the show itself to see how long it can go.
They are really doing all they can do at this point besides maybe getting the old fire truck, filling with gas instead of water and spraying that all over the zombies with the intent to light a match.
I think the horn honker is Ron. The wolves were my second guess, but they had lookouts posted so I felt that Ron was more plausible. Who knows...
Very, very good episode. They stepped up the game after trudging through last season. Things ramped down after the governor deal, so this is refreshing to see this.
Walking Dead is looking like it could go on for a long time as a show. If they can keep it up, it will definitely be interesting outside of enjoying the show itself to see how long it can go.
Never have understood why they don't use fire more often. That quarry would have been a great place to hurl fire below and burn the bodies.
Use the fencing, built a long tunnel leading to one of these and your problems are solved. A few chain saws, swords, etc. and your problem could be made to go away permanently. May take a long days work, but two dozen people should be able to operate it and keep the walkers at bay, until they pop their heads out the chute end to be decapitated.
Also, I'm not claiming to be an engineer, but even I know that adding some long 2" x 4" on those iron angled frames to which they attached the tin siding, would have added much more strength and rigidity to them. Just nail the tin to the wood 2" x 4"s and you have a much more sound platform, with the wood tying the angled frames together.
Also, I'm not claiming to be an engineer, but even I know that adding some long 2" x 4" on those iron angled frames to which they attached the tin siding, would have added much more strength and rigidity to them. Just nail the tin to the wood 2" x 4"s and you have a much more sound platform, with the wood tying the angled frames together.
Fire seems like a bad idea. Only thing worse than being chased by a zombie is being chased by a flaming zombie. You wouldn't be able to get close enough to stab it in the head, or be able to push it away and keep it from grabbing you.
I saw a review that was mentioning the horn blower as being father Gabriel and linked it to biblical history with Gabriel blowing the horn. But as to why, maybe a warning that the wolfs were attacking Alexandria?
I thought Gabriel was out with the rest of the group. I know he asked to help and Rick said No, but I thought I saw him there. Maybe it was in one of the scenes where they were building the wall in preparation for the cattle drive, though.
When I first saw the previews, I assumed that there were walkers wandering around inside the Alexandria fence, but then I decided it might be a group of Wolves that Carl, Carol, etc were hiding from. If so, it would make sense that someone is blowing the horn to try to get Rick and company to come help.
When I first saw the previews, I assumed that there were walkers wandering around inside the Alexandria fence, but then I decided it might be a group of Wolves that Carl, Carol, etc were hiding from. If so, it would make sense that someone is blowing the horn to try to get Rick and company to come help.
Thought the same thing. But the biblical Gabriel blew the horn and the walls of Jericho came down. I don't think warning Rick of a wolf attack is the goal if it is indeed Gabriel who they made a point of getting slapped down when he asked to help.
I finally got to watch the show last night. Loved it. I am with Hollywood though and actually thought the same thing about the cattle shoot. I guess FFA would pay off in TWD reality. They already had practice at the jail house with taking them out with spears. Way less risk with that idea also but then again it is a show and they need drama.
I will give you reason why the cattle chute might not work. Let's say they set one up and start the killing. The noise and activity would attract the thousands of other walkers to head in that direction. Pretty soon, they are all pressing on the 2 semis that are penning them in (I assume you are setting up the chute at the junction between the semis). Before long, the semis are moved out of the way, or you have a ramp made out of mashed walkers, and you have a stampede headed right for the walls of your home neighborhood. At the very least, it is a risky idea.
I watched the previews for next week again, and it really looks to me like there are more than just walkers within the walls of their neighborhood.
It looks like 1 guy is up in the lookout tower and is shooting at walkers approaching, then he looks up and realizes that there is a thread standing right next to him.
In another scene, it looks like they carry an injured resident into one of the houses. Hard to tell for sure, but his injuries appear to be more consistent with a gunshot than a bite. Of course it is possible that he was hit by friendly fire from a resident who isn't used to handling guns.
Best episode I've seen in a long time! Carol, absolutely the baddest *** of the entire crew....what did Kevin Smith call it?... her "burka of death"?
I'm sure most caught it, but Morgan is back to reality as he's packing a pistol when he passes Carol at the end of the episode. You can't have any mercy to the wolves as they will you and anyone you care about without concern for anything else. You have to put them down, just as sure as you have to put down walkers.
The one advantage they know they have is that the wolves have no or few firearms, while they're sitting on a small armory.
So who's the traitor? Someone gave them photos of the place and there were markings on various houses/buildings as Carol noted someone had painted an A on the stair railing.
I really liked how Carl could shoot, watch the baby, and stop dinner from being burned all at the same time!
I'm sure most caught it, but Morgan is back to reality as he's packing a pistol when he passes Carol at the end of the episode. You can't have any mercy to the wolves as they will you and anyone you care about without concern for anything else. You have to put them down, just as sure as you have to put down walkers.
The one advantage they know they have is that the wolves have no or few firearms, while they're sitting on a small armory.
So who's the traitor? Someone gave them photos of the place and there were markings on various houses/buildings as Carol noted someone had painted an A on the stair railing.
I really liked how Carl could shoot, watch the baby, and stop dinner from being burned all at the same time!
No traitor. They got the pics from the recruiter guy and Darryl when they were caught in the wolves trap at the food warehouse.
The A is Pete's kid stamping A for Alexandria. Probably just pure coincidence that it was stamped on the post.
The A is Pete's kid stamping A for Alexandria. Probably just pure coincidence that it was stamped on the post.
The recruiter guy is named Aaron. Phil is right. That was his bag that he left behind when the Wolves caught him and Darryl. He had been carrying the pics around to show Rick's group where he was trying to recruit them to. He, obviously, feels very guilty as he now feels partially responsible for drawing the Wolves to Alexandria.
I was trying to figure out a way to tie the A, and Carol to the story "The Scarlet Letter", but I couldn't come up with any kind of correlation.
I was surprised that Gabriel never ended up using the guns that were handed to him. I figured that he would be forced to shoot someone or be in a position to shoot and wimp out.
Fantastic episode. Interested to find out what the Wolves' motivation is for murder. Seems more than just the acquisition of resources. A cult? The one guy claimed they were cleansing the world of people because they weren't supposed to be there.
Also the show seemed to make an interesting statement about gun control to me. Carol specifically saying that if people had guns to protect themselves, this wouldn't have happened. Seemed too obvious to be total coincidence in a show where everything means something.
Also the show seemed to make an interesting statement about gun control to me. Carol specifically saying that if people had guns to protect themselves, this wouldn't have happened. Seemed too obvious to be total coincidence in a show where everything means something.
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Wondering the same thing about The Wolves. Haven't read the comics, so maybe those who have know what the Wolves motivation is.
I do think it is a bit strange that they have no guns. They have obviously been catching people to use in their trap that Aaron/Darryl were caught in. Surely most people who managed to survive for so long would be armed.
I am wondering if the Wolves have a leader that we have not seen yet. I thought the last guy (who Morgan, I think, killed in the house) was their leader. I suspect that they will be back at the end of the season because Rick and company can't stay in Alexandria forever. It seems likely that the Wolves will return, kill off a lot of the fringe characters, and take down the walls around the neighborhood, forcing the group back out on the road. It would make sense for the writers to reveal a Wolves leader and his motivation for preventing Alexandria from remaining a place of relative safety.
Wondering the same thing about The Wolves. Haven't read the comics, so maybe those who have know what the Wolves motivation is.
I do think it is a bit strange that they have no guns. They have obviously been catching people to use in their trap that Aaron/Darryl were caught in. Surely most people who managed to survive for so long would be armed.
I am wondering if the Wolves have a leader that we have not seen yet. I thought the last guy (who Morgan, I think, killed in the house) was their leader. I suspect that they will be back at the end of the season because Rick and company can't stay in Alexandria forever. It seems likely that the Wolves will return, kill off a lot of the fringe characters, and take down the walls around the neighborhood, forcing the group back out on the road. It would make sense for the writers to reveal a Wolves leader and his motivation for preventing Alexandria from remaining a place of relative safety.
They are on a roll. I had begun to lose interest. These two epsidoes have been great. Last night's was the best in a long time.
Spoiler alert.........
They are still in Alexandria in the comic books. There's a HUGE war, but it's not with the Wolves (called the Scavengers in the comic book)
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Yep, I had forgotten about him leaving the backpack behind. (I thought it looked familiar)
Are we certain that Gabriel didn't use his guns? There were sounds of firearms going off in the background, when Carol was on screen, so it couldn't have been her. We know Carl and a few others had firearms and were using them, but I'm not certain that we know the identity of all those who fought back and squeezed off a few rounds.
I was sort of pessimistic that after all the violence was over and the wolves dispatched, that someone was going to make the fatal mistake of approaching the armory, where Carol had left a shaky and scared guard with instructions to "shoot anyone who comes through that door." I thought for certain that some innocent was going to open that door and get blasted.
I have never read the comic books, (excuse me: Graphic Novels), but when Morgan said to the group of Wolves he let go, he said something to them along the lines of "you don't have to choose that sort of life" and the main guy in that group responds with something along the lines of: "who said we have a choice?" (paraphrasing from memory, but the gist is the same) That would seem to indicate to me that something, or someone, is putting at least some of them up to this and they have no or little choice. I notice that he had picked up a revolver with at least a round or two in it and didn't shoot Morgan, that would indicate that he's not completely on-board with things. Others in the group did appear to be completely immersed and "true believers" but we don't know quite yet what they believe.
I didn't read the spoiler, but we do know that several times now the series has varied widely from the comic story-line, so it's possible it means everything and possible it means nothing.
Are we certain that Gabriel didn't use his guns? There were sounds of firearms going off in the background, when Carol was on screen, so it couldn't have been her. We know Carl and a few others had firearms and were using them, but I'm not certain that we know the identity of all those who fought back and squeezed off a few rounds.
I was sort of pessimistic that after all the violence was over and the wolves dispatched, that someone was going to make the fatal mistake of approaching the armory, where Carol had left a shaky and scared guard with instructions to "shoot anyone who comes through that door." I thought for certain that some innocent was going to open that door and get blasted.
I have never read the comic books, (excuse me: Graphic Novels), but when Morgan said to the group of Wolves he let go, he said something to them along the lines of "you don't have to choose that sort of life" and the main guy in that group responds with something along the lines of: "who said we have a choice?" (paraphrasing from memory, but the gist is the same) That would seem to indicate to me that something, or someone, is putting at least some of them up to this and they have no or little choice. I notice that he had picked up a revolver with at least a round or two in it and didn't shoot Morgan, that would indicate that he's not completely on-board with things. Others in the group did appear to be completely immersed and "true believers" but we don't know quite yet what they believe.
I didn't read the spoiler, but we do know that several times now the series has varied widely from the comic story-line, so it's possible it means everything and possible it means nothing.
Oh ok I thought that but by the end of the show I had convinced myself she was someone new. Thanks!
I have to say so far this is my favorite season. I also really liked the season at the jail or prison. I hope they stick it out in Alexandria for a while I really like the flow of the show right now.
I have to say so far this is my favorite season. I also really liked the season at the jail or prison. I hope they stick it out in Alexandria for a while I really like the flow of the show right now.
1). I got the impression that Carol was running around passing out guns to whoever would take them. Maybe we didn't see it (I don't remember), but I figured the other gunshots was to tell us that she was arming others. Also, Carl, Maggie, Rosita and Tasha (I think that is her name) all were armed. I think if Gabriel were firing his weapons, we would have seen it. Especially with the early scene of him asking Carl to teach him how to fight. Maybe the fact that he has a gun/guns will show up in the next episode or two.
2). I thought the same thing about the girl guarding the armory. I thought she was going to shoot Morgan when he went into the house, but he ended up fighting with the last member of the Wolves who was still in the town. I would say that the armory chick could still come into play in the next episode.
3). I wasn't totally sure that the guy who ran off, after being confronted by Morgan, picked up a gun on the way out. Maybe he picked up a machete or something? At first, I thought he was going to try to shoot Morgan and the gun would be empty or someone else would shoot him first.
4). You brought up a good point about him saying "We don't get to choose". Maybe the Wolves all have kids who are being held captive, or something along those lines. It will be interesting to find out.
5). There is no spoiler up above. Nothing different than this thread. Just me speculating as to what we will see in the upcoming episode.
I'm not sure that was a gun. I noticed it too, but you could only see the handle, which seemed to be curved in an odd way, not like any modern gun. It looked like it could have been a handle to small saw - like a wooden handle pruning saw. Just not real sure.
I wasn't calling your speculation a spoiler. I was warning you and others that what you see when you hit that box might be a potential spoiler regarding some of your speculation.
I watched most of the episode again (skipped over stuff I wasn't interested in) and picked up a few things that I missed.
-Morgan had a gun on his hip throughout the episode. I thought it showed up after all the Wolves were gone/dead, but he was wearing it when he arrived in Alexandria
-It does appear that the Wolve/Wolf, who Morgan convinced to run away, picked up a gun on his way out. It is hard to tell for sure, but I think it was a gun.
-When Enid and Carl are sitting back to back in the house, she says the following to him (paraphrased). "This place is too difficult to defend. There are too many blind spots. That is how we.....(Carl cuts her off)". Is that last sentence a clue that she actually one of the Wolves? It seems like "we" would be more likely to include the Wolves than the people who live in Alexandria based on the context.
-Morgan had a gun on his hip throughout the episode. I thought it showed up after all the Wolves were gone/dead, but he was wearing it when he arrived in Alexandria
-It does appear that the Wolve/Wolf, who Morgan convinced to run away, picked up a gun on his way out. It is hard to tell for sure, but I think it was a gun.
-When Enid and Carl are sitting back to back in the house, she says the following to him (paraphrased). "This place is too difficult to defend. There are too many blind spots. That is how we.....(Carl cuts her off)". Is that last sentence a clue that she actually one of the Wolves? It seems like "we" would be more likely to include the Wolves than the people who live in Alexandria based on the context.
That doesn't make sense about Enid being a wolf. That would mean they knew about Alexandria prior to Rick's arrival. But they didn't find out about it until finding Aaron's backpack.
Good point. They would have to come up with some type of convoluted writing to make it work.
I believe Enid's reference about the "we" and "too many blind spots" was actually about how she and Carl had snuck in and out of the place without being detected. I guess she figured if she could do it, so could others.
Perhaps it's time to set up some perimeters within the fence itself, ring it with razor wire or place some claymores (land mines) or something that just makes a hell of a lot of noise penetrating.
Perhaps it's time to set up some perimeters within the fence itself, ring it with razor wire or place some claymores (land mines) or something that just makes a hell of a lot of noise penetrating.