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Cacadetoro

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Absolutely pathetic!! There is no problem having a gun or guns for protection. The problem is when guns become your identity and you pass that along to your young kids. When all of your pictures and clothing represent guns....there is a problem!
Would you consider this is the majority of Americans who own guns or a minority. We have somewhere between 15-20 million hunters in this country. Are you talking about ranchers who use guns to kill wild hogs and other predators ravaging the land and livestock? How about the ranchers and farmers near the border who have to worry about illegals crossing into their land and trashing their property and stealing from them? I am not sure where you are going with this.
 

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Would you consider this is the majority of Americans who own guns or a minority. We have somewhere between 15-20 million hunters in this country. Are you talking about ranchers who use guns to kill wild hogs and other predators ravaging the land and livestock? How about the ranchers and farmers near the border who have to worry about illegals crossing into their land and trashing their property and stealing from them? I am not sure where you are going with this.
I was responding to the linked photo of the entire family flashing their weapons on their Christmas card. It had nothing to do anything you just mentioned.
 
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No. Make the change individually.

Affect change in the community you live and work in.

When enough individuals believe and act in the same way, change for the better will occur.

Until then, relying on government to make effective change, has shown EVERYTHING government touches, it screws it up. (From the Post Office, IRS, FBI, Boarder Partol, and even the military)

It’s NOT in the benefit of government, to EVER fix the problems of society. It this occurred, our politicians would strive to be in “public service” for their entire adult life.

It’s ALL about being in POWER (over the rest of its citizens) which is the problem.



Convince me I’m wrong, change my mind.
I was being sarcastic. Czars of any type are ridiculous.

I also find it mind-boggling that someone even considers "gun culture", clothing and artwork and it's worth. WTH.
 

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Multi chambered high capacity guns and rifles need to go away. Hunters do not need more than a single shot bolt action. The idea that guns should stay and security measures should be beefed up at schools is P H U G U I N G insane. I did not grow up needing to be protected from being shot in 3rd grade, nor should any 3rd graders today. ANY THIRD GRADERS. Yes, responsible gun owners will have their rights infringed, but it is what it is. “Police should respond quicker” “ All schools should have single access entry doors with armed guards” blah, blah, blah is bat **** crazy. Anybody suggesting that is a lunatic.
 
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Honest question. Is the gun culture in this country a sense of pride for you? Does it enhance the country and make it a better place. Sincere question!?
No. Not only that, but my parents were against guns in the home. How do you figure that I have an identity that’s rooted in guns? How do you think that the country does? Because some care to exercise their rights to own and use them?

I’m still hung up on the whole school massacre phenomenon and why if our kids are so well educated in the best system in the world that suicides and massacres are so much more prevalent? Guns have been around a much longer time than school shootings.
 

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Multi chambered high capacity guns and rifles need to go away. Hunters do not need more than a single shot bolt action. The idea that guns should stay and security measures should be beefed up at schools is P H U G U I N G insane. I did not grow up needing to be protected from being shot in 3rd grade, nor should any 3rd graders today. ANY THIRD GRADERS. Yes, responsible gun owners will have their rights infringed, but it is what it is. “Police should respond quicker” “ All schools should have single access entry doors with armed guards” blah, blah, blah is bat **** crazy. Anybody suggesting that is a lunatic.
Why were you safe? Guns existed then too.
 
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A better question is why it’s pretty much exclusive to this country ?
How about this for a starting point .... more younger people are on antidepressants

When to Call Your Doctor​

Some side effects are serious. If you have any of these symptoms, tell your doctor right away:

  • Thoughts about or attempts at suicide
  • More feelings of depression and anxiety
  • Feeling very agitated or restless
  • Panic attacks
  • Trouble sleeping
  • New or worsening irritability
  • Aggression or violence
  • Hallucinations
  • Acting out dangerous impulses
  • Feeling hyperactive
  • Other unusual changes in behavior or mood
 

aimeedee

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Guns have been here for a very long time. And while there were mass shootings in the past, they seemed to be more rare back then. So why the rise in mass shootings?

Why isn’t anyone talking about the decline of moral and family values, and the decreasing value put on life in society? And what about the breakdown and attacks on the nuclear family, which looks to be the most prominent causative factor in this shooting?

Gun control is a band aid, and an pretty ineffective one at that. The core issues are much deeper than that, but politics and “feelings” always get in the way of public discourse.
I don't think anyone doubts that the nuclear family is ideal, but I am willing to bet some people on this thread are single parents and/or were raised in broken homes and they didn't raise or become killers. Plus, other countries have non-traditional families and are less church-going, and they don't have this problem. A DOJ-funded study of mass shootings dating back to 1966 finds most mass shootings have 4 things in common:

experience with a childhood trauma
a personal crisis or grievance (which would include a mental breakdown)
a "script" that validates their feelings and/or provides a roadmap
access to a firearm

Now, a childhood trauma could certainly result from a broken home, but it could also be a death in the family, bullying, abuse, attachment disorder etc. We can and should, certainly, encourage moral values and family stability. But, ultimately, we can't control that. As for the personal crisis or grievance, that may not have a thing to do with "morality." In the case of VA Tech shooter. he was raised in a two parent, devout Christian home. There were clearly signs of mental illness when he was young and the parents were proactive about getting him treatment. As a matter of fact, when his parents felt they weren't getting anywhere with school and clinical psychologists, they turned to the church. Sometimes, you can do all the right things and things still go wrong.

We can't control a child's family life (unless he is being abused/neglected) or his crises and illnesses. We can, theortetically, control access to guns.

 
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aimeedee

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Multi chambered high capacity guns and rifles need to go away. Hunters do not need more than a single shot bolt action. The idea that guns should stay and security measures should be beefed up at schools is P H U G U I N G insane. I did not grow up needing to be protected from being shot in 3rd grade, nor should any 3rd graders today. ANY THIRD GRADERS. Yes, responsible gun owners will have their rights infringed, but it is what it is. “Police should respond quicker” “ All schools should have single access entry doors with armed guards” blah, blah, blah is bat **** crazy. Anybody suggesting that is a lunatic.
I'm not opposed to single access entry or armed guards, but that is only a bandaid. Our school has a single access entry, after morning drop-off, and most schools with which I have been involved in the last 15 or so years do. But that doesn't address recess or the fact that a killer could simply break a window to get in a school. Also, sometimes a classroom will get hot and a teacher will leave a door open for air.
 

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I was responding to the linked photo of the entire family flashing their weapons on their Christmas card. It had nothing to do anything you just mentioned.
That is reasonable. Most people I know who own guns or are hunters do not do not exhibit themselves this way. Thanks for the clarification
 

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How about this for a starting point .... more younger people are on antidepressants

When to Call Your Doctor​

Some side effects are serious. If you have any of these symptoms, tell your doctor right away:

  • Thoughts about or attempts at suicide
  • More feelings of depression and anxiety
  • Feeling very agitated or restless
  • Panic attacks
  • Trouble sleeping
  • New or worsening irritability
  • Aggression or violence
  • Hallucinations
  • Acting out dangerous impulses
  • Feeling hyperactive
  • Other unusual changes in behavior or mood
To your point… this was an interesting read. (Copied from another website blog)

If true, what a messed up situation.

These drugs maybe didn’t cause the shooting, however they don’t appear to have helped these males.






Here's the ever increasing List of Killer’s on Psychtropic Drugs

https://www.cchrint.org/school-shooters/

At least 37 school shootings and/or school-related acts of violence have been committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs resulting in 175 wounded and 82 killed (in other school shootings, information about their drug use was never made public—neither confirming or refuting if they were under the influence of prescribed drugs). The most important fact about this list, is that these are only cases where the information about their psychiatric drug use was made public.

Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.

Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft. Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded.

A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)

Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002, (Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.) Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.

Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”

Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.

Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.

Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds….

What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, AZ

What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado

What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas OR
 

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Here's the ever increasing List of Killer’s on Psychtropic Drugs
Biggest scandal in America is the drugging of the youth of America for every damn thing. Had a bad day? Here take some Prozac! It's coming to light but not fast enough. Lots of those shooters were from single family homes with one parent...and it wasn't the father. Time to reexamine the importance of the nuclear family. Mothers and Fathers raising their children together must be emphasized and INCENTIVIZED in every way possible!
 

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Why were you safe? Guns existed then too.
No one had high capacity rifles, and there was apparently less mental illness.

The argument being is Bidenesque in convoluted nonsense. Rube Goldbergian “We printed more dollars, so creating more regulations is the solution to inflation,” not the only true answer “ Printing Less Dollars.” “The solution to out of control gun violence is more guns and guards.” 2 sides of an insane coin.



There is no real way to root out evil and mental illness beforehand with any accuracy. The M14 wasnt replaced by the M16 till ‘68, so no, so very few had a civilian type AR when I was in 3rd grade. Oswald used a bolt action rifle. (And when I was in 3rd grade, blacks couldn’t go to public universities in the South, so life back then had it’s faults.)

If you can guarantee no more mental illness, I will guarantee that guns can come back.

You first.
 
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No one had high capacity rifles, and there was apparently less mental illness.

The argument being is Bidenesque in convoluted nonsense. Rube Goldbergian “We printed more dollars, so creating more regulations is the solution to inflation,” not the only true answer “ Printing Less Dollars.” “The solution to out of control gun violence is more guns and guards.” 2 sides of an insane coin.



There is no real way to root out evil and mental illness beforehand with any accuracy. The M14 wasnt replaced by the M16 till ‘68, so no, so very few had a civilian type AR when I was in 3rd grade. Oswald used a bolt action rifle. (And when I was in 3rd grade, blacks couldn’t go to public universities in the South, so life back then had it’s faults.)

If you can guarantee no more mental illness, I will guarantee that guns can come back.

You first.
But think, please. Why didn’t they just take in two or three pistols?
They’re easier to handle and just as deadly, but I digress.
 

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"For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also"


LOL, treasure? It’s for self-defense and a shooting/collecting/investment hobby. What, my “heart” is into shooting people?

I also have a watch collecting hobby….no, I don’t go around telling people the time all day. I enjoy lots of hobbies and sports….no obsession here, but thanks for the concern 😇

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LOL, treasure? It’s for self-defense and a shooting/collecting/investment hobby. What, my “heart” is into shooting people?

I also have a watch collecting hobby….no, I don’t go around telling people the time all day. I enjoy lots of hobbies and sports….no obsession here, but thanks for the concern 😇

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Killing time?🤣
 

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LOL, treasure? It’s for self-defense and a shooting/collecting/investment hobby. What, my “heart” is into shooting people?

I also have a watch collecting hobby….no, I don’t go around telling people the time all day. I enjoy lots of hobbies and sports….no obsession here, but thanks for the concern 😇

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"Little angels my heart goes out to ur families…Never thought I would live in A society a “Christian Society” where they would let little children die over and over again and still not change any laws…if the people in this country are leaders and so-called Christians…if they are going to heaven…I’LL PASS!!!!!" #thedevilisbusy

Jamie Foxx
Never thought so many actors like you would simply look the other way from all the abuse children and others are subjected to in the disgusting entertainment industry. I’ll continue to pass on supporting your industry.
 
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Was the Uvalde shooter a member of the NRA? How about the shooter in Buffalo? How about those Columbine guys?
Can you even name a mass shooter who was a member of the NRA?
They are all liberal freaks raised (and not well) by liberal freak parents.

As I have said many times, take away guns from all democrats and liberals and gun violence would be reduced by 99%.
 

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"Little angels my heart goes out to ur families…Never thought I would live in A society a “Christian Society” where they would let little children die over and over again and still not change any laws…if the people in this country are leaders and so-called Christians…if they are going to heaven…I’LL PASS!!!!!" #thedevilisbusy

Jamie Foxx
The same Jamie Foxx that called Barack Obama “Our Lord and Savior”?
 

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They are all liberal freaks raised (and not well) by liberal freak parents.

As I have said many times, take away guns from all democrats and liberals and gun violence would be reduced by 99%.
The NRA has played the Republican Party like a drum and made billions in profits.
 

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ANYONE EVER TELL YOU THAT YOU TALK OUT OF YOUR *** WITH NO THOUGHT WHATSOEVER WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? BE A GOOD SOY AND MAKE SANDWICHES.

Well, hello Bruce. Haven't seen you here in a while. Did you sneak in through the back door? Or just promise to behave better now? It still does not seem like you've adapted to the new rules of the board. But anything's possible, eh?
 
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