What happens to Eliott?
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Last I heard, $575,000 to sit in a booth, that was a while ago so maybe more by now.
I'd say that he will find another DC gig at a smaller school. Stoops won't fire him but he won't demote him either and you can't pay a DC in name only that kind of salary. Stoops needs to keep calling the D. Bo Pilini would be a great addition. How much does he make as HC at YSU?
That is a tough question. I'd argue we play this season out before we can answer it. If the D gets hammered vs. UGA, UT and UL...and bowl game....(and outside of UGA...those things could easily happen) then we may want a new direction.
My slant at this time is he'll stay (which I'm not sure I agree with).
My slant at this time is he'll stay (which I'm not sure I agree with).
I dunno, but apparently that's a better gig than an SEC coordinator position... So I've been told. So he'd never leave that glorious spot.
Stays in current role / responsibilities until the end of his contract.
The only sensible thing to do--from Stoops point of view--is let him ride out his contract as DC "in name only" and then allow him to walk away at the end (hopefully to another DC position) with his pride intact. You or I might fire his ***, but human relationships are complicated, illogical things. He stays.
- You can't demote him; moving him to DL coach is a step back and would ruin his career. Stoops won't do that to him.
- Nor will Stoops fire him. They have history and friendship and Stoops have proven himself to be loyal to a fault.
- Nor will Stoops let him take over play-calling again. Don't monkey with the good thing we have.
The only sensible thing to do--from Stoops point of view--is let him ride out his contract as DC "in name only" and then allow him to walk away at the end (hopefully to another DC position) with his pride intact. You or I might fire his ***, but human relationships are complicated, illogical things. He stays.
Thank you. Seems like we could offer him a little more money to be a Co-DC or something to get him on staff. He's coached LBs before in the NFL. So he could just slide in Eliot's position group. Either way I think that Eliot leaves after this season "on his own" to save his rep. That way Stoops doesn't have to fire or demote him.
There are HCs all over college football who are their own OC/DC both in name and in reality. Eliot is also OLB coach(read Allen/Ware) and those guys are playing pretty well. He stays.
Keep him on same role he is in now. These guys know each other and the system very well we are trying to run. Why would you want him to leave and bring in someone new in that spot who isn't as familiar with what we are trying to do.
Gameplanning is a huge part of what we are doing. Elliott knows stoops system as well as coach stoops does. I'm sure he has a big role in that aspect. Also seeing what he sees and relaying that to coach helps ESP knowing the system as well as he does. Keep him right where we are now.
Gameplanning is a huge part of what we are doing. Elliott knows stoops system as well as coach stoops does. I'm sure he has a big role in that aspect. Also seeing what he sees and relaying that to coach helps ESP knowing the system as well as he does. Keep him right where we are now.
Could offer him alot more, in the 800k range at least. On paper, he would be worth it, great defensive guy and plugs a need in the coaching staff. It would just depend how he gels with Stoops.
This.
DO Not F with What Isn't Broken. Best our defense has looked, maybe ever, and folks want to change ****. Unreal.
I listened to the Stoops call in show. Stoops loves the current situation and I bet he will not change anything. Stoops said he loves calling the defensive plays. If he continues to leave Gran and Henshaw alone, it will work out just fine.
One thing I learned from Crash Davis:
Never (blank) with a winning streak.
Stoops retains the set up he currently has. It's working.
Never (blank) with a winning streak.
Stoops retains the set up he currently has. It's working.
Most small business have this issues at some point. Seems like Stoops is starting to get around the corner on direction, leadership and overall head coaching. He has gotten completely around it; but I'm hopeful
Earlier this season I felt like a change at DC was necessary. However at this point, I'm confident that Stoops will find the right combination of coaches and coaching duty assignments to be successful now that he has seen what works and what doesn't work. So if he wants to keep Eliot in his current role of coaching the defense day to day and in the box on Saturday, with Stoops running the show on game day, I'm fine with that.
I don't care who wears what hat, I'm just looking at the result, and right now I think the results are excellent.
I don't care who wears what hat, I'm just looking at the result, and right now I think the results are excellent.
Two things: Bo is a huge personality and can easily ruffle feathers. Would be a bad move bringing him on board.
Second, why mess up what's currently working, which is Stoops doing the game planning and play calling with Eliot in the booth? Our defense has completely turned around as a result of this new set up - there is no need to mess with it.
If it ain't broke why fix it? Things seem to be trending upwards with Eliot in the booth and Stoops calling plays, etc, so why switch things up at this point and mess with whatever chemistry we've created? Seems silly to switch things up at this point
Yeah it is working now but that was my guess for after the season. Coaches have big egos and he may still want to try to call ball plays. So that factored into my guess about him getting another DC gig at a smaller school. He may decide it's not for him and stay with it but you can't keep giving him coordinator money when he is more of a Co-DC now.
Why not. We have had a passing game cordnator, head coach of the offense, etc. the system we are running both of these guys are familiar with it. Who cares what the title is, why change. Stoops is running what he wants (he is the head coach btw). Why bring in someone else that wants to run "their" stuff. Look at mizzu!
Why change for next season, what worked for this season? I don't have any inside info but I'd be highly surprised if anything happens to Eliot.
You don't let go of coaches when things are going well.
Like I said Eliot may want to call plays. He may go on his own. I think he is a good position coach, and the situation is working now but going forward after the season who knows. He may want to stay and likes it the way it is. He needs to pick it up recruiting wise. Just a guess on my part and if he did leave Pelini would be a solid hire. Not really advocating just answering he original question with a WAG.
I don't see any way it changes next year. Why would it? Nobody says petrino needs to find someone else to call plays. I think Stoops trusts that Elliot will do the leg work prep and organization during the week in the way it needs to be done to keep a lot of the load off him but he can call the D which he has a lot of experience and skill in doing. Gran and Hinshaw get raises but Eliot doesn't. Other than that I don't see anything changing. House may get one too.
That's possible (him leaving on his own) - but he'd most likely take a pay cut to do that. My guess is that as long as he has Stoops' support, he will be here. They are good friends and that plays into loyalty, etc.
I don't see Elliot with a big ego at all. In fact that may be his down fall according to some that he's not real assertive
and does bring that high level of energy that some thinks he should have. Concerning recruiting I hope Stoops, in the off season, can explain who does what on the staff with recruiting.
So, If they were spending twice that on a new DC for the same results, you'd be okay with it?
Bottom line is, if they spend what they spend and are producing, why does it matter who makes what?
Really? You think that's all he does? Yeah, he probably doesn't even have to go to practice. Just shows up on game days.
It's really not all that different now. He's in the booth on game days instead of on the field. You do realize that a lot of Defensive Coordinators are upstairs in the box on game days, right? He still game plans, still has massive input in practice and in teaching, etc. Some of you are so caught up on Stoops calling the plays that you don't see that this arrangement they have is working.