What I've learned this football season

hulkbuster

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What I've learned this year from watching this MSU foot ball this year is a couple of things. They are in NO particular order mind you so if you don't mind jus "bear" with me. I feel like I have a decent grasp of football as I have stated before I coach highschool football and as our season ended last Friday I saw some things that reminded me of our current football team at MSU.</p>

1.) If Flecther Cox and Jonathan Banks come back our defense will be pretty darned good! I have it on good authority that JB is POSSIBLY looking to leave after this season. I know some of you are probably saying "so what". Well honestly to me JB is as critical or even more critical to keep than Fletch. Yes, I know some of you are ready to tear me up for saying that but before we start lighting our flamethrowers listen to me for a second. JB not only does a good job of shutting down his WR as far as coverage is concerned (even though he pushed the Bama WR and it cost us a TD). He also puts points on the board for us and it takes some pressure off our offense. Regarless of if it's a pick 6 or a punt return TD the guy is a dynamic player. From an X's and O's stand point it lets us cut the field in half (we'll see it Saturday.....hopefully). What that means is MOST of the time when we blitz from the "field side" (long side of the field) he is so dynamic he can cover his area pretty well and as a D coordinator it allows you some liberty's and confidence that THAT side of the field is gonna be covered up. Now when we blitz to the "boundary side" (short side) IF and that's a BIG if our LB's are "scraping" he also help on the blitz as far as sacks or bated passes. I know that in the SEC "stopping the run" is VERY critical! But have you guys seen PJ Jones this year? Preston Smith? I knew PJ was good but watching him on 3rd and goal throw Tebob Hebert (one of LSU's best O lineman) aside and make that stick on LSU's running back was awesome! Guys he a freakin' true freshman! He was playing high school ball last year for Tupelo! And the best part about that stop? Fletcher NOR Josh were standing on the sideline! This is LSU here people! Not Memphis (which he still had a damned good game against). I feel our youger guys on the D line are coming around. Eulls is making plays he straight up destryed Trent Richardson on a cutback play. He's a redshirt fresman! Slay is NO where near as good as Banks or as good as advertised (so far). </p>

2.) We (as State fans) need to REALLY pay attention before we let our mouth's fly. This one'll probably get the ole flamers out but oh wells. I can also add myself to the list of people that need to run my mouth. This list includes "wooly" people (me) but also we can add the Chris Wilson naysayers to this as well. Those that said that Manny was SO great. Wilson's done far MORE with less. In this back and forth I was so caught up in defending Wilson in my predictions for the season I didn't REALLY take a look at what we lost on the other side of the ball. Apparently not only loing Sherrod was pretty big but losing Brignone (even though Dillon has come along as of late) was bad enough. But apparrently Tobias must've been pretty damned good too. But getting back to what I was saying about Wilson, look I have a CRAP ton of respect for the guy. After this year's coaches clinic and being with him 1on1 and having film session breakdowns with him, I think the guy is an awesome coach and an even better recruiter. I told him after our breakdowns how greatful I was and state fans should be to have him here. The guy lost the ENTIRE starting LB core and a pretty good pass/rush DE who plays in Nickel formations for the Ravens. But I was wooly and it has taught me a valuable lesson after this year. </p>

3.) We're gonna be fine with Tyler @ QB. I'm not gonna lie, I watched ALOT of the bowl practices last year. That was the only time we actually got a chance to see Tyler vs Dylan in a scrimmage (pre-spring game). AFter seeing what I saw I was scared. I saw Dylan being FAR too careless with the ball and then I saw the former Meridian QB get rattled that he was being pressured in competition. He held the ball too long and over shot TE's in the flat and under threw post patterns. I was worried. But then something happened. I don't know what but he just grew up somewhere between after the spring game to now. Call it coaching, personal commitment....I don't know. But the guy has looked pretty decent so far this year. Not to mention he has taken a BEATING this year. He's took far worse shots than Relf. As Russell get's hit he's in the middle of his release where he is completely exposed. Where when Relf gets smacked he's lowering his shoulder bracing for impact. Let's not lose sight of the fact that this is a guy who not long ago got his 1st start. I think some of our problem this year offensively is I think we are in a transition/transformation into what we're gonna be next year. Less zone-read and more 3 step/5 step drops. </p>

4.) (Last one) In Mullen I trust....and you should too. Okay let's not beat around the bush here. Mullen gets comapared to the BEST MSU coach we've had...JWS. Now let's REALLY look at this for a second. When JWS coached all the power resided in the East, Fulmer's Vols, Spurrrier's Gators. Both were cream of the crop in the SEC. Now let's look at what Dan's going up against week in and week out. Not only are Bama & LSU at the top but ARkansas has proven to be REALLY good as well now Auburn is proving they'll buy mules to win as well. No way (and yes I'm gonna say this and it's gonna piss some of you off!) would Jackie be more competitive than Mullen as a coach in this current division. The guy has beaten teams he's supposed to beat (LA Tech, Tenn Martin, Houston and should've won the 1st one). And he's only NOT been competitive in maybe 2 games in 3 years (last years LSU game comes to mind). We need to get a grip, we aren't Bama or LSU or even Arkansas for that matter. All 3 of those teams almost every year are BCS teams. Besides Mullen is only in his 3rd year! Petrino at least had talent when he showed up in Arky, Nutt did a decent job recuiting before he was given the boot & it didn't hurt Petrino to have a merc (Mallett) to come in and build behind him. Yes Dan needs to get better at getting at recruiting o linemen. But look at our QB's our RB's and most skill position guys as well. I can almost guarantee you IF (and that's a BIG if) Nick Griffin gets healthy he will make ALL of you forget about Vick Ballard! I trust Mullen, I trust that he'll learn from his mistakes (as we all have or need to) and continue to make us more competitve each year until we get a shot at being in Atlanta.....someday</p>
 

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1. Hehearts Banks.
2. He hearts Wilson.
3. He hearts Russell.
4. He hearts Dan.
 

AzzurriDawg4

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Disclaimer: Still a big Mullen fan, BUT:<div>
</div><div>1. It has become clear that the Mullen/Malzahn line of spread offense is not the great equalizer that the Leach/Holgorsen/Gundy/Sumlin/Morris version is. While it is an effective offense, it can look downright terrible at times. Sadly, it still beats anything we have ever had at State. I think it handicaps us to have two option guys at the helm (Mullen/Koenning). Hud's offense tilts more to the air raid, and it hurt losing his influence. We would be well-served to replace Koenning with someone from the coaching tree above. I have a strong suspicion that if you gave Holgorsen the keys to our offense, he would have Tyler Russell lighting the world on fire. That said, it appears that Mullen is willing to tweak his offense to suit his players, which is much more than we can say for the last few regimes. </div><div>
</div><div>2. Playcalling and Personnel decisions are still problematic. The fade against Bama on first and goal, bringing Relf in when Russell is leading one of the most effective drives against Bama this season, the Auburn end-game sequence, continuing to run Ricco Sanders out there, terrible fake punt decisions, etc, etc. Additionally, we seem to intent on rotating players. We just aren't deep enough to do that yet. Why rotate entire D-lines when your 2nd team is such a clear drop-off? Rotate individual linemen to give them breaks. It should be Ferguson/Boyd/Cox/Eulls, then Stigers/Cox/PJ Jones/Eulls, then McCardell/Boyd/Cherrington or Virges/Ferguson, NOT Stigers/Cherrington/PJ Jones/McCardell for an entire series. Jameon needs to play more. I realize he puts the ball on the ground, but I think we have to take that chance because we aren't moving the ball otherwise. </div><div>
</div><div>3. Back to personnel, play Russell. It is clear he is our best option right now. He is plenty effective as a runner. I believe that rotating QBs does effect timing andrhythm. I don't buy that it is the same as rotating WR or RB. I think that is part of why we saw Russell holding on to the ball a little too long last weekend. It needs to be all Russell, except for clear short down/distance and I am ok with a Tebow package for Relf. Favre needs to stay on the bench. I know he completed some passes last week, but who is to say Russell wouldn't have made the same throws?</div><div>
</div><div>4. Fletcher Cox, Josh Boyd, Cam Lawrence and JB are studs. Lawrence's emergence has really been incredible - B. Wilson has been solid and Skinner is also getting better and better. Hats off to the entire D and to Chris Wilson. </div>
 

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AzzurriDawg4 said:
2. Why rotate entire D-lines when your 2nd team is such a clear drop-off? Rotate individual linemen to give them breaks. It should be Ferguson/Boyd/Cox/Eulls, then Stigers/Cox/PJ Jones/Eulls, then McCardell/Boyd/Cherrington or Virges/Ferguson, NOT Stigers/Cherrington/PJ Jones/McCardell for an entire series.
Must be something in the water in Bryan Building. Stans kills momentum (when we have it) with his freaking first half hockey line substitutions.
 

hulkbuster

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Thanks for not posting something silly Azzuri. Yes rotating your ENTIRE defensive line isn't what we need AT TIMES. But with the uncertainty of Flecther being back we've got to get guys reps in preparation. Otherwise we're gonna have the same problems on our D line that we have CURRENTLY on our O line. Cherrington is a decent NT in on a goaline package and he has girth that Cox & Boyd don't have. As far as Hud, he was our "passing game coordinator" here and the 1 game he didn't coach in was the Gator Bowl. We put up 52 pts in that game. And actually looked GOOD throwing the ball. I'm not following you as far as what he BROUGHT to the table.
 

AzzurriDawg4

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Well, that was just one game. One could assume that we were still utilizing elements of the passing game that Hud had crafted or contributed to over the course of the season. Things have changed pretty drastically this year, given a full offseason without his input and 10 more games. Even the passes we are completing, with or without ample protection from the line, are very close plays where Clark or Smith are basically fighting for position to get the ball. Clark's two TDs vs. UT Martin were both essentially jump balls that he made great athletic plays to come down with. Now, I am not saying that we would be lighting up the stat sheets with 300yd passing games if he was still here, but I do believe that he had a positive influence on our offense (whether that means coaching the WR or developing more effective route combinations for our personnel). <div>
</div><div>Another interesting question regarding the passing game is why we continue to force the WR screen when two of our best after-the-catch playmakers are Ballard and Perkins. I like the WR screen, and it has been mildly effective, but it seems to be our exclusive "safe" pass play.
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</div><div>Regarding Cherrington, I agree with you. Cherrington and Jones have done a nice job up the middle. So good, in fact, that they seem to have displaced Devin Jones almost completely, and I still think he is a pretty solid player. However, if it was me, I would like to see what Cox or Boyd could do alongside a space eater like Cherrington. If I am running a goal line/short yardage line out there, it would be Cox/Cherrington/Boyd/Eulls.</div><div>
</div><div>I also agree that it helps to get reps for next year, but I still believe that could be done more selectively, instead of a full-on line change. </div><div>
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AzzurriDawg4 said:
Well, that was just one game. One could assume that we were still utilizing elements of the passing game that Hud had crafted or contributed to over the course of the season. Things have changed pretty drastically this year, given a full offseason without his input and 10 more games. Even the passes we are completing, with or without ample protection from the line, are very close plays where Clark or Smith are basically fighting for position to get the ball. Clark's two TDs vs. UT Martin were both essentially jump balls that he made great athletic plays to come down with. Now, I am not saying that we would be lighting up the stat sheets with 300yd passing games if he was still here, but I do believe that he had a positive influence on our offense (<font size="4">whether that means coaching the WR or developing more effective route combinations for our personnel</font>).
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</div><div>Another interesting question regarding the passing game is why we continue to force the WR screen when two of our best after-the-catch playmakers are Ballard and Perkins. I like the WR screen, and it has been mildly effective, but it seems to be our exclusive "safe" pass play.
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</div><div>Regarding Cherrington, I agree with you. Cherrington and Jones have done a nice job up the middle. So good, in fact, that they seem to have displaced Devin Jones almost completely, and I still think he is a pretty solid player. However, if it was me, I would like to see what Cox or Boyd could do alongside a space eater like Cherrington. If I am running a goal line/short yardage line out there, it would be Cox/Cherrington/Boyd/Eulls.</div><div>
</div><div>I also agree that it helps to get reps for next year, but I still believe that could be done more selectively, instead of a full-on line change. </div><div>
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cowbell88

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In JUNE after college world series. No more cool aid for me until we go 4-0 in September. I do believe Dan can get us there though.
 

Goat Grindin

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I think it's more that no offense works when the defense is so damn good. If the offense had the players the SEC defenses have (Cam Newton, Tim Tebow are good examples) then the offense can smoke too, even in the SEC. That's the big difference.<div>
</div><div>Look what Ole Miss' D did to Leach and Gundy alone. Oregon and West Virginia didn't fare too well against LSU either. </div>
 

Goat Grindin

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It's not like he's having a Nick Fairley type season and is on ESPN every night. Highly doubt declaring for the draft would be in his best interest. <div>
</div><div>The team will be much improved next year and he should attract more attention then.</div>
 

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I agree that another year may help his status- and we'll have to wait and see what feedback he gets from pro scouts after the season<div>
</div><div>But him leaving is a possibility</div>
 

hulkbuster

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Yes, he has gotten ALOT of attention from scouts. Plus word is the suspension he suffered at the early part of the season was him in conversations w/ an agent. Still no talk about JB huh? Guess nobody shares my opinion on jow critical he is.