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I thought I best ask you a ? before Kate Uption shows-up & wants to get undressed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now that this season has played-out as it has, up to this point, What are Jawguh fans saying about the change from Richt to Smart??????????????????????????????????????????????????
Inquiring minds want to know!!!!!
 

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Got him summoned now for ya. lol


I have wondered as well if they are liking the results of hiring a coordinator who never had been a HC before at a major institution.
I"m sure he will recruit very well but it looks like he is learning on the fly like Stoops is.
 
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Grumpyolddawg

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I thought I best ask you a ? before Kate Uption shows-up & wants to get undressed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now that this season has played-out as it has, up to this point, What are Jawguh fans saying about the change from Richt to Smart??????????????????????????????????????????????????
Inquiring minds want to know!!!!!

Personally I am happy we made a change, Richt is a good coach, but he had gotten complacient at UGA, it was time for a change. I know UK fans think we recruit lights out, and we have recruited well at some positions, RB, LB and a couple more. But at others we are have done extremely poor, we start an FCS grad transfer, 2 OL that weight less than 290, a failed DL and a former All-SEC OG at one T. Its makeshift at best, we don't have any other OT on the roster, a bunch of Gs, and WR, not a single guy who can make a play on a ball to help his qb, or even a sure catch if open, we have 4-6 drops every game. We have 8 sr who are playing meaningful snaps, out of a class of 31 when they signed. Those issues aren't Kirby's doing. Plus we have some kids who had gotten use to "country club" practices and haven't bought into working hard like Kirby is demanding. We have 3 sr starting on O right now, all OL and a couple of Jr, 5 Jr, 2 soph and 2 frosh. Defensively we have 1 sr starter, the grad transfer from Bama, 5 jr 5soph and 1 frosh. We are young, but the sad part is unless we sign 2 OT that can come in and start, next year wont be much better offensively, defensively we are getting better and will be very good next year.

Kirby may or may not be the coach we need, but Richt let the talent level drop drastically the last 3-4 years because he basically too time off from the bowl game till spring practice. I thought 8-4 was our ceiling this year, we won a game I thought we would lose and lost one I thought we would win, but I don't think we reach my ceiling, offense is just too inconsistent.
 

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Think Mark Richt was fine man, very good coach but time to leave. He was getting complacent on recruiting. Check out Clemson QB or not even recruiting Cam Newton, check out recruits on DL at Auburn, check out recruits at Bama and Clemson etc.. I am not sure Smart is a great coach but he is going to attack recruiting and hire a staff that is going to attack recruiting unlike Mark. Mark Richt was from what you read was very lax in recruiting, they were always late on offers.

Mark Richt is Tubby Smith, fine man, time had come to an end. Needed energy in program and recruiting.

I still say Ga is the best place if you can turn it, high end talent, top tier talent is as good as anywhere. Can almost recruit strictly in Ga and be Natl. Contender every year. LSU is great job and La produces great players but not as many as Ga. Ga has everything, rich Natl championship recruiting state and oh by the way you can recruit the Carolina's AJ Green etc and you have Florida and you can recruit nationally. No excuse for Ga to not be in hunt for NC since early 80's. This is the program that has everything, Alabama cannot recruit a NC team from state of Alabama, Tn, Auburn can't, Ole Miss or Ark can't. Texas A& M, Fla, UGA, and LSU can with only having to bring in need specific recruits. They can for all intents recruit NC's just with home state.
IMO
 

Grumpyolddawg

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Got him summoned now for ya. lol


I have wondered as well if they are liking the results of hiring a coordinator who never had been a HC before at a major institution.
I"m sure he will recruit very well but it looks like he is learning on the fly like Stoops is.

We always sign a coordinator, Richt was, Goff was, Dooley, I am not sure he was even a coordinator and the c
Think Mark Richt was fine man, very good coach but time to leave. He was getting complacent on recruiting. Check out Clemson QB or not even recruiting Cam Newton, check out recruits on DL at Auburn, check out recruits at Bama and Clemson etc.. I am not sure Smart is a great coach but he is going to attack recruiting and hire a staff that is going to attack recruiting unlike Mark. Mark Richt was from what you read was very lax in recruiting, they were always late on offers.

Mark Richt is Tubby Smith, fine man, time had come to an end. Needed energy in program and recruiting.

I still say Ga is the best place if you can turn it, high end talent, top tier talent is as good as anywhere. Can almost recruit strictly in Ga and be Natl. Contender every year. LSU is great job and La produces great players but not as many as Ga. Ga has everything, rich Natl championship recruiting state and oh by the way you can recruit the Carolina's AJ Green etc and you have Florida and you can recruit nationally. No excuse for Ga to not be in hunt for NC since early 80's. This is the program that has everything, Alabama cannot recruit a NC team from state of Alabama, Tn, Auburn can't, Ole Miss or Ark can't. Texas A& M, Fla, UGA, and LSU can with only having to bring in need specific recruits. They can for all intents recruit NC's just with home state.
IMO

I agree, if we signed 20 of the top 25 in Georgia every year and finished it off with out of state kids we wanted, didn't have to sign to fill the class, it would be in the running for top class every year. But for whatever reason, Richt wanted to recruit OOS harder and ignorned instate kids until it was too late. But recruiting Georgia is not easy, Clemson, AU, UF, FSU are all much closer to some areas of Georgia than UGA is plus the metro Atlanta area, the densest collection of talent is full of kids who grew up in households where the parents are alumni/fans of other schools and moved to Atlanta area for jobs. So it isn't like all these kids are Georgia kids, many have only lived year a year or 2 before they head off to collegel
 

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Real question.. Grump who you got next week?? Does U.K. have a real chance at beating GA in Lexington???

Anyone on our schedule has a chance of beating us so yes UK has better than a chance to beat us. How much depends on which team shows up, the one that play UT and UNC not as much as the one that played Vandy, Ole Miss and Nichols. We just don't have any playmakers at WR, none at all, Eason is a work in progress, how bad Washington state HS football is can't be overstated. I do think you will have to throw the ball, other than the OM game, defense is playing pretty well.
 
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I remember the days when Kentucky's basketball team use to bring in 2 or 3 in-state kids a year. Those days are long gone. The elite programs recruit nationally now. I think it's strongly trending in that direction for the elite football programs as well. Even teams in talent rich states like Florida and tOSU go out of state for at least a third or more of their class.

I think the notion of in-state talent base being the key to a successful program is an idea whose time has passed. Having said that it's always good to be close to where the talent is, but it's no longer required as it once might have been.
 

Grumpyolddawg

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I remember the days when Kentucky's basketball team use to bring in 2 or 3 in-state kids a year. Those days are long gone. The elite programs recruit nationally now. I think it's strongly trending in that direction for the elite football programs as well. Even teams in talent rich states like Florida and tOSU go out of state for at least a third or more of their class.

I think the notion of in-state talent base being the key to a successful program is an idea whose time has passed. Having said that it's always good to be close to where the talent is, but it's no longer required as it once might have been.

Florida is a little different, they have 4-5 FBS schools in state, 3 bigtime programs plus other schools coming in if only 1 or 2 programs, they wouldn't have to leave the state either. Ohio is different, I don't think they produce enough elite defenders, if they didn't recruit nationally they would have a hard time dealing with the southern teams, how long did it take for them to finally beat an SEC team in a bowl game? Offensively it isnt an issue, but those big 300+lb DL and 240+lb who can all run are very rare in Ohio, not tons in the south, but more than in northern state.
 
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What hurt UGA and Richt is Clemson's rise and Dabo raiding the peach state strongholds. Go look at Clemson's roster. Lot's of jawguh boys. Not only that, but Dabs ran wild in SC, NC, where UGA has pulled from at a pretty good clip.

The question i'm curious about is not about Kirby right now, but whether the dawgs will give him 4-5 years.

If Kirby is still not moving at the pace the big dawgs would like at the end of next year or halfway into year 3 and a big name is out there fielding offers, will a big play be made?

Would like to hear what the word is on that bear of a QB ya'll got down there. Still raw, but my goodness he seems to have some real upside if things go right. Big kid, big arm. Will be interested to see how he progress.
 

Grumpyolddawg

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What hurt UGA and Richt is Clemson's rise and Dabo raiding the peach state strongholds. Go look at Clemson's roster. Lot's of jawguh boys. Not only that, but Dabs ran wild in SC, NC, where UGA has pulled from at a pretty good clip.

The question i'm curious about is not about Kirby right now, but whether the dawgs will give him 4-5 years.

If Kirby is still not moving at the pace the big dawgs would like at the end of next year or halfway into year 3 and a big name is out there fielding offers, will a big play be made?

Would like to hear what the word is on that bear of a QB ya'll got down there. Still raw, but my goodness he seems to have some real upside if things go right. Big kid, big arm. Will be interested to see how he progress.

That is particially true, AU gets more, Bama got top kids, but what hurt UGA with instate kids was Richt's refusal to give them early offers. His feeling was if we offered a Ga kid, we would have to honor it or create issues with instate schools, meanwhile the schools surrounding the state offered months, or even years before UGA was offering the kids. Richt/Bobo, didn't offer Deshawn Watson, 40 miles up the road from Athens until 6 months before he entered when everyone else in the country was recruiting him and he was committed to Clemson. Clemson caught lightening in a bottle with Watson, they always recruited great, but never quite got over the hump. They are spending money like its water over there on facilities too. But he loses his coordinators they will really drop off, Dabo has never even been a coordinator, he is a great recruiter and cheerleader on the sideline, but I don't think he has any input into gameplans or calls. But thats part of being a good coach.

But lots of Georgia kids go to Clemson, kids wanting engineering degrees who can't get into GT. AU is the option for kids falling below that. GT has a 25% acceptance rate, many of those are foreign students. Clemson is at 52% and AU is at 77%; Georgia is full of kids who cant get accepted as frosh students and head to one of the border schools which makes them fans of that border school, plus all the ones from those schools moving to Atlanta for the job market. The acceptance office would fall out of their chairs laughing if I sent my test scores and GPA in today, but I was a welcome addition 45 years ago.
 

Grumpyolddawg

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What hurt UGA and Richt is Clemson's rise and Dabo raiding the peach state strongholds. Go look at Clemson's roster. Lot's of jawguh boys. Not only that, but Dabs ran wild in SC, NC, where UGA has pulled from at a pretty good clip.

The question i'm curious about is not about Kirby right now, but whether the dawgs will give him 4-5 years.

If Kirby is still not moving at the pace the big dawgs would like at the end of next year or halfway into year 3 and a big name is out there fielding offers, will a big play be made?

Would like to hear what the word is on that bear of a QB ya'll got down there. Still raw, but my goodness he seems to have some real upside if things go right. Big kid, big arm. Will be interested to see how he progress.


My honest opinion of Eason is this, for a kid who had a private qb coach since he was about 11, he has some awful footwork and its obvious that HS football in Washington state didn't get him near ready to play P5 football. Of course part of that could be our OL, Either he doesn't see the field very well or we are predetermined where the ball is going because he doesn';t throw to guys who are pretty open.

Richt alway had a finesse team, Kirby wants a physical team, we don't have the kids to play that game right now and it's causing some issues. We just are big and strong enough to play that game, 1 G is 280 C might be that big, other G is at 300, both OT are 320 or so, but one wears concrete cleats. But it is what it is, when you ignore OL recruiting the way Richt did for multiple years it catches up with you, lucky for him he was gone and someone else has to deal with it.
 

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That is particially true, AU gets more, Bama got top kids, but what hurt UGA with instate kids was Richt's refusal to give them early offers. His feeling was if we offered a Ga kid, we would have to honor it or create issues with instate schools, meanwhile the schools surrounding the state offered months, or even years before UGA was offering the kids. Richt/Bobo, didn't offer Deshawn Watson, 40 miles up the road from Athens until 6 months before he entered when everyone else in the country was recruiting him and he was committed to Clemson. Clemson caught lightening in a bottle with Watson, they always recruited great, but never quite got over the hump. They are spending money like its water over there on facilities too. But he loses his coordinators they will really drop off, Dabo has never even been a coordinator, he is a great recruiter and cheerleader on the sideline, but I don't think he has any input into gameplans or calls. But thats part of being a good coach.

But lots of Georgia kids go to Clemson, kids wanting engineering degrees who can't get into GT. AU is the option for kids falling below that. GT has a 25% acceptance rate, many of those are foreign students. Clemson is at 52% and AU is at 77%; Georgia is full of kids who cant get accepted as frosh students and head to one of the border schools which makes them fans of that border school, plus all the ones from those schools moving to Atlanta for the job market. The acceptance office would fall out of their chairs laughing if I sent my test scores and GPA in today, but I was a welcome addition 45 years ago.
Grump, we must be pretty close in age. I graduated from UK in 1977. Would be happy to have you at our tailgate next Saturday. You coming up for the game?
 

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Grump, we must be pretty close in age. I graduated from UK in 1977. Would be happy to have you at our tailgate next Saturday. You coming up for the game?

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I was hoping you would post a recap of the 76 reunion, kind of break down the events and what went on as far as how the weekend went down. I noticed there were a few not in attendance and just curious what the one's who didn't show are doing. It was great to see you, a little disappointed that they introduced you all at Halftime. Think they should have done this before game so more people would be there to give you the deserving standing O. Many were mad in corridors saying damn trying to get back and watch the highlight and give you all proper thank you.
Curious where Kovach, Winkel, Jaffe. Loved seeing Jerry Blanton who may be the most underrated Cat of all time. Great player
Great to see everyone, pretty sad to see Dallas Owens and see Siganos sister.

I think everyone and a lot I have spoken to would be curious and find it interesting on if you could post a recap and tell us what went on and how the guys feel about the faculty upgrades.
 

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I was hoping you would post a recap of the 76 reunion, kind of break down the events and what went on as far as how the weekend went down. I noticed there were a few not in attendance and just curious what the one's who didn't show are doing. It was great to see you, a little disappointed that they introduced you all at Halftime. Think they should have done this before game so more people would be there to give you the deserving standing O. Many were mad in corridors saying damn trying to get back and watch the highlight and give you all proper thank you.
Curious where Kovach, Winkel, Jaffe. Loved seeing Jerry Blanton who may be the most underrated Cat of all time. Great player
Great to see everyone, pretty sad to see Dallas Owens and see Siganos sister.

I think everyone and a lot I have spoken to would be curious and find it interesting on if you could post a recap and tell us what went on and how the guys feel about the faculty upgrades.

I would be interested in knowing if any of them spoke formally to our current players and if so what they told them to inspire them?