CFP committee finally got it wrong

[18IsTheMan]

Well, after 9 years, they finally got one wrong. TCU obviously did not deserve to be in the CFP. Last night's performance makes that abundantly clear. The matchup was just laughable, and it was clear less than halfway through the first quarter that this was a mismatch for the ages. Up to now, I think they had pretty much nailed it each year, with each championship game featuring the 2 best teams in college football. This year, though, they bowed to pressure and blew it by letting TCU in, even though they were clearly not one of the 4 best teams in college football. A fantastic story? Sure. Fun to watch? Absolutely. But that does not add up to one of the 4 best teams. In previous years, they were willing to weather the storm by letting in teams with lesser records who, nevertheless, were deemed better than teams who had superior records. And they've been proved right each time. Even though their sensibilities surely told them that TCU was not one of the 4 best teams in the sport, they went with public opinion. The refs bailed them out in the semis, helping TCU past Michigan, but nothing could hide the atrocity of the mistake in the final.

 

[Gradstudent]

Or they should at least have seeded TCU, 4th so the Ga vs TCU Semi could of been the mis match and we would of had Ohio State vs Michigan rematch in the other and then Ohio State vs Georgia in the Championship which obviously was a better matchup.

If you need me, please ask for Captain Hindsight

 

[Lurker123]

I can't agree. Winning the semis makes them "belong" imho. At the very least more than the team they beat.

 

[athenscock3]

For me you can add the Heisman voters to that list of getting it wrong. I think they should wait til the finl championship game to decide the winner. Bennett deserved more votes than he got due to the structure of the early vote. After his performance in the playoffs, I think he could/would have won or at least placed higher.

 

[atl-cock]

When we get a real 16-team FBS playoff, a team like this season's the Horned Frogs might make it to the semis.

 

[Statelinecock]

They weren't even the conference champs of a bad conference. That should've been the death blow to them making the playoffs.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I can't agree. Winning the semis makes them "belong" imho. At the very least more than the team they beat.

When you lose by 58 points...literally the worst performance of all time...you don't belong.

 

[18IsTheMan]

They weren't even the conference champs of a bad conference. That should've been the death blow to them making the playoffs.

Yep. If they had won the conference championship, the decision would have been out of the committee's hands. But losing that game, should have knocked them out. Sorry. You have to consider the conference. When you come from a weak conference, you have little margin for error. 3 or 4 teams from the SEC would have beaten them.

 

[18IsTheMan]

For me you can add the Heisman voters to that list of getting it wrong. I think they should wait til the finl championship game to decide the winner. Bennett deserved more votes than he got due to the structure of the early vote. After his performance in the playoffs, I think he could/would have won or at least placed higher.

And he can't even ever be elected to the college football HOF because he was never named an All-American.

 

[Cocky Jeff]

When you lose by 58 points...literally the worst performance of all time...you don't belong.

Big 12 sure will lose a lot of consideration in the future. Even with two losses BAMA was the fourth. Tennessee was fifth.

 

[Lurker123]

When you lose by 58 points...literally the worst performance of all time...you don't belong.

I understand the reasoning. I just think of it from this angle. If they didn't belong, Michigan should have washed them out, unless Michigan didn't belong as well.

And if we eliminate Michigan and tcu, who should have been sent in their place?

 

[18IsTheMan]

Big 12 sure will lose a lot of consideration in the future. Even with two losses BAMA was the fourth. Tennessee was fifth.

I don't know that anyone would have beaten UGA. I think they are clearly the best team right now, and it doesn't appear to be close. But I have to think Bama would have at least put up a respectable performance.

 

[will110]

This is just a lazy take. TCU belonged. They went 13-1 and deserved to make the playoff. Sure, last night was really ugly, but that's irrelevant to making the playoff. It's about what you did during the season that matters, not subjective arguments about how a team might or might not matchup with other teams in the playoff.

Furthermore, TCU beat Michigan. Does that mean Michigan didn't belong?

 

[18IsTheMan]

I understand the reasoning. I just think of it from this angle. If they didn't belong, Michigan should have washed them out, unless Michigan didn't belong as well.

And if we eliminate Michigan and tcu, who should have been sent in their place?

Well, it does get tricky. Whether or not Michigan belonged, they took the decision out of the CFP's hand by going undefeated, winning their conference title. There's no decision for the CFP to make there. If TCU had won their conference title game, they also would have taken the decision out of the CFP's hands. But they didn't, and that's where it gets tricky. That's where the CFP earns their money (so to speak). It's up to them to decide who they believe is actually the better team.

I think it's very interesting that they didn't even drop TCU from the 3rd spot after they lost in their conference championship. There's a reason they didn't want them at #4 in the semis matched up with UGA. They obviously viewed Michigan as a more winnable game for TCU.

 

[18IsTheMan]

This is just a lazy take. TCU belonged. They went 13-1 and deserved to make the playoff. Sure, last night was really ugly, but that's irrelevant to making the playoff. It's about what you did during the season that matters, not subjective arguments about how a team might or might not matchup with other teams in the playoff.

Furthermore, TCU beat Michigan. Does that mean Michigan didn't belong?

That's such a lazy take. It requires no thought.

 

[Lurker123]

Well, it does get tricky. Whether or not Michigan belonged, they took the decision out of the CFP's hand by going undefeated, winning their conference title. There's no decision for the CFP to make there. If TCU had won their conference title game, they also would have taken the decision out of the CFP's hands. But they didn't, and that's where it gets tricky. That's where the CFP earns their money (so to speak). It's up to them to decide who they believe is actually the better team.

I think it's very interesting that they didn't even drop TCU from the 3rd spot after they lost in their conference championship. There's a reason they didn't want them at #4 in the semis matched up with UGA. They obviously viewed Michigan as a more winnable game for TCU.

I think that requiring a rematch of osu/Michigan had something to do with that too.

 

[will110]

That's such a lazy take. It requires no thought.

No, it's just a fact. By arguing that TCU didn't deserve to make the playoff because they lost to Georgia, you're canceling their entire season. If going 13-1 in a power 5 conference doesn't mean you're in the top 4, then what's the point?

Alabama didn't deserve to be in the top 4. They couldn't get it done on the field when it mattered. TCU did. The only game they lost was to Kansas State in overtime, a team they had already beaten this year.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I think that requiring a rematch of osu/Michigan had something to do with that too.

That is true. Personally, I don't think you rank a team higher than they should be just because you don't a particular matchup.

Reality is Bama was probably better a option than TCU and Michigan. But, again, there was no choice with Michigan. An undefeated P5 team is getting in. If UT had Hooker they'd have been a better option than either TCU or UM. TCU's loss in their conference championship game is where it gets muddy. I don't think anyone actually believed they were one of the 4 best teams in football.

But it is what it is. Thus far, the CFP has basically been flawless.

 

[DeBoer31]

This is just a lazy take. TCU belonged. They went 13-1 and deserved to make the playoff. Sure, last night was really ugly, but that's irrelevant to making the playoff. It's about what you did during the season that matters, not subjective arguments about how a team might or might not matchup with other teams in the playoff.

Furthermore, TCU beat Michigan. Does that mean Michigan didn't belong?

Yes, it does. 1 B10, B12, ACC or P12 team is enough (and almost too many) amongst the top 4 ANY year.

 

[DeBoer31]

No, it's just a fact. By arguing that TCU didn't deserve to make the playoff because they lost to Georgia, you're canceling their entire season. If going 13-1 in a power 5 conference doesn't mean you're in the top 4, then what's the point?

Alabama didn't deserve to be in the top 4. They couldn't get it done on the field when it mattered. TCU did. The only game they lost was to Kansas State in overtime, a team they had already beaten this year.

yeah but "that field" is a whole different world than the "field" TCU plays on and against. They also barely beat OSU, Texas, TT and Baylor. Hey a win is a win....but let's don't make Mrs. West Virginia Mrs. America just because she has all her teeth.

 

[Tngamecock]

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Well, after 9 years, they finally got one wrong. TCU obviously did not deserve to be in the CFP. Last night's performance makes that abundantly clear. The matchup was just laughable, and it was clear less than halfway through the first quarter that this was a mismatch for the ages. Up to now, I think they had pretty much nailed it each year, with each championship game featuring the 2 best teams in college football. This year, though, they bowed to pressure and blew it by letting TCU in, even though they were clearly not one of the 4 best teams in college football. A fantastic story? Sure. Fun to watch? Absolutely. But that does not add up to one of the 4 best teams. In previous years, they were willing to weather the storm by letting in teams with lesser records who, nevertheless, were deemed better than teams who had superior records. And they've been proved right each time. Even though their sensibilities surely told them that TCU was not one of the 4 best teams in the sport, they went with public opinion. The refs bailed them out in the semis, helping TCU past Michigan, but nothing could hide the atrocity of the mistake in the final.

They have done a good job overall….but I still think they are always trying to diversify geography and tv markets when possible, which leads to wanting some teams to be better than they are. But since we’re not involved, they can put whoever they want and I don’t lose sleep. I was pulling for TCU so what do I know.

 

[Roosterbell]

Just a quick reminder, but Georgia was extremely fortunate to even be there last night. They honestly got outplayed in their semifinal. You'd have had a lot of talking heads this week saying the SEC was down this year had Ohio State lined up a straight FG.

 

[will110]

yeah but "that field" is a whole different world than the "field" TCU plays on and against. They also barely beat OSU, Texas, TT and Baylor. Hey a win is a win....but let's don't make Mrs. West Virginia Mrs. America just because she has all her teeth.

I agree...but it's the college football playoff, not the SEC Invitational. TCU did beat Michigan, who a lot of people wanted to anoint as the #1 team after their win over Ohio State.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Just a quick reminder, but Georgia was extremely fortunate to even be there last night. They honestly got outplayed in their semifinal. You'd have a lot of talking heads saying the SEC was down this year had Ohio State lined up a straight FG.

Well, as was TCU. The refs straight up robbed Michigan of their go-ahead score.

 

[BattleshipTexas]

Well, after 9 years, they finally got one wrong. TCU obviously did not deserve to be in the CFP. Last night's performance makes that abundantly clear. The matchup was just laughable, and it was clear less than halfway through the first quarter that this was a mismatch for the ages. Up to now, I think they had pretty much nailed it each year, with each championship game featuring the 2 best teams in college football. This year, though, they bowed to pressure and blew it by letting TCU in, even though they were clearly not one of the 4 best teams in college football. A fantastic story? Sure. Fun to watch? Absolutely. But that does not add up to one of the 4 best teams. In previous years, they were willing to weather the storm by letting in teams with lesser records who, nevertheless, were deemed better than teams who had superior records. And they've been proved right each time. Even though their sensibilities surely told them that TCU was not one of the 4 best teams in the sport, they went with public opinion. The refs bailed them out in the semis, helping TCU past Michigan, but nothing could hide the atrocity of the mistake in the final.

So Michigan didn't deserve it either? TCU easily beat Michigan. TCU milked the clock is the only reason it was close.

 

[BigJC]

Putting Cincinnati in last year was wrong too. That was nothing more than the committee caving in to the whining of the G5 reams about never getting in the playoff. Putting Notre Dame in in 2020 was a mistake, so was putting Ohio State in in 2020 after they only played 6 games that season.

Most years, there are really only two or three teams with a legitimate claim to being the "best". Expanding the playoff is a terrible idea.

 

[BigJC]

Just a quick reminder, but Georgia was extremely fortunate to even be there last night. They honestly got outplayed in their semifinal. You'd have had a lot of talking heads this week saying the SEC was down this year had Ohio State lined up a straight FG.

Georgia had more rushing yards and passing yards than Ohio State in that game. I'm not sure they were "outplayed".

 

[18IsTheMan]

Putting Cincinnati in last year was wrong too. That was nothing more than the committee caving in to the whining of the G5 reams about never getting in the playoff. Putting Notre Dame in in 2020 was a mistake, so was putting Ohio State in in 2020 after they only played 6 games that season.

Most years, there are really only two or three teams with a legitimate claim to being the "best". Expanding the playoff is a terrible idea.

Definitely agree with the latter. Reality is, most games have not been competitive, even among the top 4. Average margin of victory in the semis is 19 points. In the championship game its 20 points (15.25 if you take out the flogging last night). Of the nine championship games, 3 have been single digits. The other six have been 22, 28, 17, 28, 15 and 58 points for margin of victory.

Those numbers definitely do not support expansion.

 

[18IsTheMan]

What's hilarious is that TCU finished #2 in the AP.

If UGA and TCU had played in the regular season ranked #1 and #2 and TCU lost by 58 points, they for sure wouldn't stay at #2.

 

[cousin ed]

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[Blues man]

Or they should at least have seeded TCU, 4th so the Ga vs TCU Semi could of been the mis match and we would of had Ohio State vs Michigan rematch in the other and then Ohio State vs Georgia in the Championship which obviously was a better matchup.

If you need me, please ask for Captain Hindsight

You know somehow, and magically so, the committee gets the seeding they want for the predetermined matchups they want every-single-time.

 

[Roosterbell]

Georgia had more rushing yards and passing yards than Ohio State in that game. I'm not sure they were "outplayed".

It was certainly a well played game by both teams and UGA was on the ropes at the end. Their fate was squarely on the foot of that kicker. Maybe that would be a better way to describe it.

 

[KingWard]

Well, after 9 years, they finally got one wrong. TCU obviously did not deserve to be in the CFP. Last night's performance makes that abundantly clear. The matchup was just laughable, and it was clear less than halfway through the first quarter that this was a mismatch for the ages. Up to now, I think they had pretty much nailed it each year, with each championship game featuring the 2 best teams in college football. This year, though, they bowed to pressure and blew it by letting TCU in, even though they were clearly not one of the 4 best teams in college football. A fantastic story? Sure. Fun to watch? Absolutely. But that does not add up to one of the 4 best teams. In previous years, they were willing to weather the storm by letting in teams with lesser records who, nevertheless, were deemed better than teams who had superior records. And they've been proved right each time. Even though their sensibilities surely told them that TCU was not one of the 4 best teams in the sport, they went with public opinion. The refs bailed them out in the semis, helping TCU past Michigan, but nothing could hide the atrocity of the mistake in the final.

Well. TCU certainly would have been in a 12-team playoff which totally debunks that as an improvement. Even so, they did manage to beat an undefeated Big Ten champion, so I don't think the committee has egg on their faces. Bama might have been better but their defense played them out of it. The best team emerged, and the team that came closest to matching up with them was also in the field and lost to them by two. The rightful champion was both extended and ultimately crowned. I don't think you could ask for more than that.

 

[BigJC]

You know somehow, and magically so, the committee gets the seeding they want for the predetermined matchups they want every-single-time.

The "playoff" should more accurately be called "The ESPN Invitational Post Season Football Tournament". ESPN decides which teams will draw the most eyes and those teams get in. This is why Notre Dame will always get in if they are even close to being a top 4/12/whatever team.

 

[Blues man]

The "playoff" should more accurately be called "The ESPN Invitational Post Season Football Tournament". ESPN decides which teams will draw the most eyes and those teams get in. This is why Notre Dame will always get in if they are even close to being a top 4/12/whatever team.

I was disapointed in their decision to go to a 12 team playoff rather than an 8 or 16. They just dont seem to want to give up the subjectivity they demand. Sure enough, they go and screw up byes when they could have went to playoff without them. There's always gonna be some subjectivity, but man we need to eliminate as much as we can. Too bad they dont see it that way.

 

[RMOIII]

Or they should at least have seeded TCU, 4th so the Ga vs TCU Semi could of been the mis match and we would of had Ohio State vs Michigan rematch in the other and then Ohio State vs Georgia in the Championship which obviously was a better matchup.

If you need me, please ask for Captain Hindsight

wait…so OH St., who just lost to MI, is going to turn around & beat them?…lol…sez who????…RMO III

 

[Hoganman1]

My father-in- law was a college president. He had a sign on his desk that said "God so loved the world that he didn't send a committee". I know we all hated the BCS and the CFP was better, but the twelve team playoff will be much better. There will be arguments over who's 12 and who's 13. However we won't have to rely so heavily on the subjectivity of "the committee". Frankly, I went to Netflix after the first half last night.

 

[Viennacock]

I can't agree. Winning the semis makes them "belong" imho. At the very least more than the team they beat.

Agreed. Maybe Michigan didn't belong since they lost to TCU. Wait, they Michigan just beat OSU who's should have beat UGA.

I think they got it right. UGA wasn't losing last night to anyone. Bad matchup for TCU.

 

[WingchunCock]

Well, it does get tricky. Whether or not Michigan belonged, they took the decision out of the CFP's hand by going undefeated, winning their conference title. There's no decision for the CFP to make there. If TCU had won their conference title game, they also would have taken the decision out of the CFP's hands. But they didn't, and that's where it gets tricky. That's where the CFP earns their money (so to speak). It's up to them to decide who they believe is actually the better team.

I think it's very interesting that they didn't even drop TCU from the 3rd spot after they lost in their conference championship. There's a reason they didn't want them at #4 in the semis matched up with UGA. They obviously viewed Michigan as a more winnable game for TCU.

They were trying to game the system and hope for two B1G teams in the finals. TCU should have been #4 seed.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I recall all the angst: they can't let a 2-loss Bama in over a 1-loss TCU, can they? I mean, 2 losses is more than 1 loss!

Now we know: a 2-loss SEC team is far, far better than a 1-loss Big 12 team.