FC: NCAA mulls changes including changes to Signing Day…

[Midnighter]

SEC Commissioner Greg Stanley says too much going on in December and they need to go back to one signing day, likely in February.

Coaches mull rules tweaks on signing day, bowls

A strong consensus of FBS coaches signaled support for several key rules changes in college football as the 2023 American Football Coaches Association conference wrapped Tuesday.

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[BobPSU92]

Is it an ncaa violation if a football program lets a kid keep the pen he signs with? It should be a Level 1.

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

Is it an ncaa violation if a football program let’s a kid keep the pen he signs with? It should be a Level 1.

Jack Klompus: "Keep the pen. Do me a personal favor and keep the pen!"

 

[VaDave4PSU]

ENSD likely moves up, the winter portal window slides back. Analysts are going to be allowed to do more legally.

 

[Bob78]

There's been talk about moving early signing to before the season rather than after, which makes sense. Make it truly early, allow for voiding if head coaches leave for whatever reason, and keep a bit of intrigue for the traditional signing day.

Also, for the sake of common sense, just go to 5 full seasons of eligibility! 4 games and the bowl... not good enough. Most teams need depth help by mid-season.

 

[Bob78]

Is it an ncaa violation if a football program lets a kid keep the pen he signs with? It should be a Level 1.

How about if you leave a gun, and take a cannoli?

NCAA rule violation trivia:

At one time, as recently as in the 80s or 90s iirc, it was not a violation to give a recruit a bagel during a visit. However, giving him or her a bagel with cream cheese was a violation, because that constituted an unauthorized meal.
This is an example of why Joe stated many times that all coaches unknowingly violated rules, because not only were there so many, contained in a huge guidebook that was all but unreadable, but too many of the rules were so petty and nonsensical that no reasonable person would think the act would be a violation.

 

[GrimReaper]

There's been talk about moving early signing to before the season rather than after, which makes sense. Make it truly early, allow for voiding if head coaches leave for whatever reason, and keep a bit of intrigue for the traditional signing day.

Also, for the sake of common sense, just go to 5 full seasons of eligibility! 4 games and the bowl... not good enough. Most teams need depth help by mid-season.

I have a different idea. From May 1 of a prospect's junior year, once he commits, a school can send him an LOI. If he doesn't receive it within three business days, then he knows what his offer is worth. He can take as long as he wants to sign. School can retract it after five business days. Once the LOI is signed, kid has a 30 day "cooling off period" during which he can change his mind. During that period, other schools cannot initiate contact, either directly or indirectly, but the prospect is allowed to contact other schools.

 

[Midnighter]

I have a different idea. From May 1 of a prospect's junior year, once he commits, a school can send him an LOI. If he doesn't receive it within three business days, then he knows what his offer is worth. He can take as long as he wants to sign. School can retract it after five business days. Once the LOI is signed, kid has a 30 day "cooling off period" during which he can change his mind. During that period, other schools cannot initiate contact, either directly or indirectly, but the prospect is allowed to contact other schools.

Always thought a ‘window’ was the way to go with this. Great idea.

 

[LionJim]

How about if you leave a gun, and take a cannoli?

NCAA rule violation trivia:

At one time, as recently as in the 80s or 90s iirc, it was not a violation to give a recruit a bagel during a visit. However, giving him or her a bagel with cream cheese was a violation, because that constituted an unauthorized meal.
This is an example of why Joe stated many times that all coaches unknowingly violated rules, because not only were there so many, contained in a huge guidebook that was all but unreadable, but too many of the rules were so petty and nonsensical that no reasonable person would think the act would be a violation.

I was skeptical enough about this story to do a Google search. You weren’t kidding.

Google Search

www.google.com

 

[GrimReaper]

How about if you leave a gun, and take a cannoli?

NCAA rule violation trivia:

At one time, as recently as in the 80s or 90s iirc, it was not a violation to give a recruit a bagel during a visit. However, giving him or her a bagel with cream cheese was a violation, because that constituted an unauthorized meal.
This is an example of why Joe stated many times that all coaches unknowingly violated rules, because not only were there so many, contained in a huge guidebook that was all but unreadable, but too many of the rules were so petty and nonsensical that no reasonable person would think the act would be a violation.

Similar thing for a player. Remember Eric Crouch's ham sandwich?

SSDD

Crouch eventually got off the hook by paying for the illicit "benefits."

 

[GrimReaper]

Always thought a ‘window’ was the way to go with this. Great idea.

Yeah, enough with whether a kid has a commitable offer or how strong his commitment is. You can change the date and timeframes, but the concept sticks. Either ****, or get off the pot.

 

[BobPSU92]

How about if you leave a gun, and take a cannoli?

NCAA rule violation trivia:

At one time, as recently as in the 80s or 90s iirc, it was not a violation to give a recruit a bagel during a visit. However, giving him or her a bagel with cream cheese was a violation, because that constituted an unauthorized meal.
This is an example of why Joe stated many times that all coaches unknowingly violated rules, because not only were there so many, contained in a huge guidebook that was all but unreadable, but too many of the rules were so petty and nonsensical that no reasonable person would think the act would be a violation.

By ncaa rules, a cup of free soup would be O.K. so long as the kid didn’t crumble any crackers in it.

 

[Bob78]

I was skeptical enough about this story to do a Google search. You weren’t kidding.

Google Search

www.google.com

I always count on fellow BWI posters to correct me when I'm wrong, because I almost always respond off the top, and sometimes the memory is less reliable with minute details.
So, I'm glad you double-checked this. (And, I would have sought help if it turned out I had just made it up in my mind!)

 

[Bob78]

I have a different idea. From May 1 of a prospect's junior year, once he commits, a school can send him an LOI. If he doesn't receive it within three business days, then he knows what his offer is worth. He can take as long as he wants to sign. School can retract it after five business days. Once the LOI is signed, kid has a 30 day "cooling off period" during which he can change his mind. During that period, other schools cannot initiate contact, either directly or indirectly, but the prospect is allowed to contact other schools.

Grim, this is a really solid, sensible way to go about it. Creatively outside the stale old box.

The outlawed contact would come during the cooling off period, certainly, as they do now with the portal rules around timing. But, it takes into account so much of what is wrong about the current process, it would be a help to all parties.

Another hiccup might occur after the 30 day period, when the head coach leaves the school the kid signed with. Could there be another X day window after that for a change of mind?

 

[GrimReaper]

Grim, this is a really solid, sensible way to go about it. Creatively outside the stale old box.

The outlawed contact would come during the cooling off period, certainly, as they do now with the portal rules around timing. But, it takes into account so much of what is wrong about the current process, it would be a help to all parties.

Another hiccup might occur after the 30 day period, when the head coach leaves the school the kid signed with. Could there be another X day window after that for a change of mind?

Good thoughts.

After the cooling off period, there is no allowable contact with other programs either way.

What happens if a coach leaves? Kid is still bound but has ten days/two weeks to rescind his commitment. During that timeframe he is allowed to initiate contact with other programs. Not sure what I think of allowing other programs to contact him, but I'm leaning agin' it.

Raises the question of whether coaching changes apply to just the HC or also assistants. Might give CJF reason to pause next time.

 

[Midnighter]

By ncaa rules, a cup of free soup would be O.K. so long as the kid didn’t crumble any crackers in it.

NCAA:

 

[Woodpecker]

Always thought a ‘window’ was the way to go with this. Great idea.

How long does it take an NIL check to clear?

 

[kgilbert78]

I always count on fellow BWI posters to correct me when I'm wrong, because I almost always respond off the top, and sometimes the memory is less reliable with minute details.
So, I'm glad you double-checked this. (And, I would have sought help if it turned out I had just made it up in my mind!)

I almost got in trouble for baking chocolate chip cookies for the men's gymnastics team back in the day.

 

[GrimReaper]

How long does it take an NIL check to clear?

Get paid the way Saquon does; bitcoin.

 

[Moogy]

There's been talk about moving early signing to before the season rather than after, which makes sense. Make it truly early, allow for voiding if head coaches leave for whatever reason, and keep a bit of intrigue for the traditional signing day.

Also, for the sake of common sense, just go to 5 full seasons of eligibility! 4 games and the bowl... not good enough. Most teams need depth help by mid-season.

Wait, so make the early signing day even earlier? Yeah, that's what we need ... old guys making millions creeping on young kids using their used car salesman techniques to sign on the dotted line at an even younger age.

5 seasons? Why not 6? Do I hear 7?! Let's go for an even 10! Better idea. Eliminate redshirting altogether.

 

[Moogy]

Get paid the way Saquon does; bitcoin.

No. Dutch tulips. Retro idiocy is the way to go.

 

[LionJim]

No. Dutch tulips. Retro idiocy is the way to go.

Well, that was a fascinating response in so many ways. Nice.

 

[Nits1989]

Wait, so make the early signing day even earlier? Yeah, that's what we need ... old guys making millions creeping on young kids using their used car salesman techniques to sign on the dotted line at an even younger age.

5 seasons? Why not 6? Do I hear 7?! Let's go for an even 10! Better idea. Eliminate redshirting altogether.

Turd in the punch bowl poster strikes again

 

[OhioLion]

How about if you leave a gun, and take a cannoli?

NCAA rule violation trivia:

At one time, as recently as in the 80s or 90s iirc, it was not a violation to give a recruit a bagel during a visit. However, giving him or her a bagel with cream cheese was a violation, because that constituted an unauthorized meal.
This is an example of why Joe stated many times that all coaches unknowingly violated rules, because not only were there so many, contained in a huge guidebook that was all but unreadable, but too many of the rules were so petty and nonsensical that no reasonable person would think the act would be a violation.

That’s funny you bring up the bagel example. Riding to columbASS Friday for wrestling with a former D2 athlete. He used the same example of dumb rules.
Oh, when I say athlete…. 4 NC in football and one team in wrestling at Grand Valley. Would have had a 5th ring in football, but he was going to dental school and 4 years with unscathed hands as a center, he got while the getting was good.

OL