Too bad there isn’t a list out there that details the top programs who spend the most on facilities.
Joe Pa said in 2004 when it seemed imminent of his demise....
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Let's look at some actual numbers and compare:
Bowl records vs. teams entering bowl with perfect record:
Hayes 0-1
Schembechler 0-1
Devaney 2-1
McKay 0-1
Osborne 1-3
Switzer 2-1
Bowden 2-2
Bryant 3-2
Paterno 2-0
Bowl records when playing for a mnc or perfect record:
Hayes 2-2
Schembechler 0-1
Devaney 1-2
McKay 2-1
Osborne 3-3
Switzer 2-1
Bowden 2-4
Bryant 5-4
Paterno 6-2
Care to provide any facts to support your statements?
I hope you are not trying to compare the off-season/pre-season/start of season anticipation and hype of '97 and '99 to '20 and '21. If you are, you either weren't old enough to experience it, or you would fit some type of derogatory description that might get me a timeout.
He coached 46 years. 2 nat. champs. 19 yrs Big 10 3 Champs (2 shared) Meh. Bowl games are great, but don't tell the whole story. 1995-2011 was at times tough to watch offensively speaking. 4 of those years were actually horrific.
MNCs are, and especially in years past, were awarded, and not necessarily determined on the field.
I provided facts that refuted your claims in the quote I included in my post.
You refuted absolutely nothing. I'm saying in 46 years of coaching, a good number of other coaches could have accumulated what Joe did in wins and championships. It does not take away from what he did. What he did was great. Once again, he stayed around too long and instead of going out in style and retiring at a reasonable age for his craft, he continued to linger. That just left a bad remembrance for many.
Yes. Just not as public in doing so. There are a number of books that cover how much he pushed for upgrading Penn St at the time. The BOT at the time drug their feet until 1982.
So Joe threatened to go elsewhere unless PSU gave him a raise or provided more money for the football program? News to me.
not every year though; with franklin it's like an annual tradition, and that's a big difference. enough is enough. he's gone to the well one too many times for me, and by that i mean openly flirting without a public affirmation that he'd like to be with us for the long haul. that would go a long way with fans, donors, etc.
Joe was a smart guy. I don't give a **** if he coached for 1 year, 8 years or 43 years there was no one that was as good as him and never will be. He valued preparation like no one else ever has or ever will including CJF
You are correct in that Joe pushed to upgrade Penn State, not necessarily Penn State Football. After winning the 1982 National Championship Joe took the opportunity to speak with the BOT and challenged them to followup football's number one ranking to make Penn State the number one academic school in the country. Perhaps you aren't of aware of his speech so I posted it below.
Shortly after Joe addressed the BOT each College within the University formed an Academic Advisory Committee tasked with putting a plan in place to meet the challenge. I was in grad school at the time and was assigned to the College of Engineering Academic Committee. Walter Conti, then Chairman of BOT would often show up at our meetings. Interesting to note that we quickly realized surpassing MIT and Caltech in Engineering wasn't an achievable goal. However we thought it was possible to catch and surpass the likes of Virginia and Michigan and that became our objective and we modeled our plans accordingly.
As such, all Penn State degrees became much more valuable as the Universities academic reputation soared from that point until about 2011. This is what Joe used winning to leverage. What has Franklin used winning to leverage?
(As it turns out a post can only be 1,000 words long so I've pasted the opening two paragraphs and put a link in at the end.
Joe Paterno's Speech to the BOT following his first National Championship
Delivered January 22, 1983 (29 years, to the day, before he passed away)
“I very much appreciate those words. You know this is the first Board meeting I have ever been to in 33 years so if I look a little shocked and scared, bear with me, I really do appreciate this. I would hope maybe on this occasion since I’ve never addressed a Board meeting, to maybe share some thoughts with you as to where we are and what I hope we can get done here at the University. It pleases me, obviously, to happen to be part of the Number One football team. I am pleased also that it happened at this time in Dr. Oswald’s career that he could leave feeling that he finally got it done. Having been a former coach, he knows how tough it is to get on top of the pile and everything else. It pleases me in a lot of ways. But after having said that, and I’m going to be very frank with you, and I may say some things here that maybe I should not, but it does give me an opportunity to tell you how I feel and what I want to do and what kind of contributions I’d like to make to this institution as I stay on. You know, obviously, all of us are disappointed in the newspaper reports that some of our academic departments are not rated very high. That bothers me. It bothers me to see Penn State football be Number One and then to pick up a newspaper several weeks later and we find we don’t have many of our disciplines rated up there with the other institutions in the country. I want to share just a couple of things with you and I hope you’ll understand where I’m coming from.
“I think this is a magic time for Penn State. Dr. Oswald has said this, and I have felt it, and I think he is probably more attuned to it than anybody. There has never been a time when Penn State has been more united or proud. Now maybe it’s unfortunate that it takes a Number One football team to do that. I don’t think we can lose the opportunities that this moment presents to us, and I don’t mean in athletics. I’m not even concerned about the athletic aspects of where we are, I think we can handle that and make sure that we can maintain the kind of teams that you people like to see and you can be proud of and identify with the type of students and the type of football players we get. But I think we have got somehow to start right now. I think Dr. Oswald came to us at a time that we absolutely had to retrench in some areas and he has done a magnificent job for us. I for one want to thank him for what he has done for intercollegiate athletics. We would not be Number One in athletics if it had not been for his cooperation. Every time I ever went to him he never said no to me. I’d like to be on record as having said that. Maybe once in a while there has been somebody in between us that has not presented my case accurately, but anytime I have had an opportunity to sit with him and discuss some things that we needed, he’s never said no to me. I don’t think we’d be where we are if it hadn’t happened that way. But I go back to a fact that we are in a national situation that I have never felt as I have felt now.
Paterno Speech to BOT in 1983
Joe Paterno's Speech to the BOT following his first National Championship Delivered January 22, 1983 (29 years, to the day, before he passed away) “I very much appreciate those words. You know this is the first Board meeting I have ever been to in 33 years so if I look a little shocked and scar...
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