OT: Penn State's "front line talking points" reaction to the findings of the Freeh Report was written 6/4/2012

[Zenophile]

Which itself isn't terribly notable until you recall that the Freeh Report was released for the first time on 7/12/2012 and that Freeh's only first-hand investigatory interview was conducted on 7/06 with Graham Spanier.

For those of you scoring along at home, July 12th would not happen for another 38 days from the perspective of June 4th. That is some next level forecasting.

 

[BobPSU92]

I’m sure it’s all just a misunderstanding.

 

[LionJim]

Which itself isn't terribly notable until you recall that the Freeh Report was released for the first time on 7/12/2012 and that Freeh's only first-hand investigatory interview was conducted on 7/06 with Graham Spanier.

For those of you scoring along at home, July 12th would not happen for another 38 days from the perspective of June 4th. That is some next level forecasting.

Is this timeline new information?

 

[Zenophile]

Is this timeline new information?

It was to me. In fairness, it may have been a point in the Alumni Trustee analysis of Freeh that I missed.

 

[BobPSU92]

It was to me. In fairness, it may have been a point in the Alumni Trustee analysis of Freeh that I missed.

I don’t recall hearing this before, but I could have missed it since a lot of information has come to light over many years. It isn’t surprising, regardless.

Where did you find it?

 

[Zenophile]

I don’t recall hearing this before, but I could have missed it since a lot of information has come to light over many years. It isn’t surprising, regardless.

Where did you find it?

In the Lions Den: The Penn State Scandal and a Rush to Judgement, page 197.

 

[BobPSU92]

In the Lions Den: The Penn State Scandal and a Rush to Judgement, page 197.

Thanks. I just received the book on Friday from Amazon but haven’t cracked it open yet.

 

[marshall23]

Honestly, if you follow twitter, you can see how easy it was to create the false narrative and generate outrage. To say the masses are stupid asses is an understatement.

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

We should all pause for a few seconds on this fine Monday morning and reflect… **** Louie Freeh!

 

[Bwifan]

Which itself isn't terribly notable until you recall that the Freeh Report was released for the first time on 7/12/2012 and that Freeh's only first-hand investigatory interview was conducted on 7/06 with Graham Spanier.

For those of you scoring along at home, July 12th would not happen for another 38 days from the perspective of June 4th. That is some next level forecasting.

Believe that was the plan all along. The BOT knew what was coming out and that is when they finally decided to get out in front of it and lay blame elsewhere. Bunch of company executives realizing they were going to be blamed decided to lead the masses to the shiny carrot over here, away from them. They knew over time that timelines would be forgotten and people would move on and not care anymore. The press/media would have their pound of flesh and move on never worrying about getting it right or let alone going back and apologizing to those whose lives they attempted to ruin and blame. Look at it now, the media puts nothing in follow ups, barely a blip even when Jerry S. has a court date. Most people outside of PSU environment have told me directly "yeah Joe got railroaded, but no one cares anymore we have moved on..." Why I think it's time to make it Joe Paterno Field. Put the plaques of players back up outside the stadium. Create a place maybe in the library to celebrate Joe and Sue. I don't think people will care outside of PSU much, and PSU fans can finally celebrate Joe and his career.

 

[Zenophile]

Another couple of noteworthy gems:

"Don't worry. When the Freeh Report comes out, the board will be vindicated." - John Surma, November 2011.

"The Freeh Report will paint a destructive picture pointed right at Joe Paterno." Lanny Davis, March 2012

 

[Connorpozlee]

Another couple of noteworthy gems:

"Don't worry. When the Freeh Report comes out, the board will be vindicated." - John Surma, November 2011.

"The Freeh Report will paint a destructive picture pointed right at Joe Paterno." Lanny Davis, March 2012

I don’t think any of this information is new (though I could be wrong), I think it just drifts out of the consciousness after awhile. Still infuriating to read though.

 

[Zenophile]

I don’t think any of this information is new (though I could be wrong), I think it just drifts out of the consciousness after awhile. Still infuriating to read though.

What I think is new is that we now have the context for these quotations. The Surma quote is from a meeting with the student Trustee, and Davis was kind enough to document his in an email to a trustee candidate.

 

[PrtLng Lion]

Karma is (still) a b-tch. Surma, Peetz, Frazier, Freeh, and the others who orchestrated throwing JVP in front of the bus are going to face the music, this life yet or the next. Old Lazy-Eyed-Louis already got a taste (of tree, that is).

 

[PSU12046]

Another couple of noteworthy gems:

"Don't worry. When the Freeh Report comes out, the board will be vindicated." - John Surma, November 2011.

"The Freeh Report will paint a destructive picture pointed right at Joe Paterno." Lanny Davis, March 2012

These days, when people project their flaws and moral shortcomings onto others, or lack personal responsibility, or blatantly lie, I identify it instantly. It is clear what is going on and that they are trying to hide their undesirable characteristics or inflate their false image. I understand that they are trapped and struggling in their own web of lies and deception. But since they are adults who hurt others, including children, it is really pathetic, obvious, and tragic.

 

[PSU12046]

Karma is (still) a b-tch. Surma, Peetz, Frazier, Freeh, and the others who orchestrated throwing JVP in front of the bus are going to face the music, this life yet or the next. Old Lazy-Eyed-Louis already got a taste (of tree, that is).

I'll add a few Karma names, if I might:
Laura Ditka
Tom Corbett
Sara Ganim
Jack Rackovitz
Katherine Genovese

(btw, I'm sure this thread will attract the BOT spies out of the woodwork like bees to honey)

 

[Bwifan]

I'll add a few Karma names, if I might:
Laura Ditka
Tom Corbett
Sara Ganim
Jack Rackovitz
Katherine Genovese

(btw, I'm sure this thread will attract the BOT spies out of the woodwork like bees to honey)

The thing that I LOL at is Sara Ganim with "journalist" next to her name. She still has no idea how bad she was used in that whole mess.

 

[PSU12046]

The thing that I LOL at is Sara Ganim with "journalist" next to her name. She still has no idea how bad she was used in that whole mess.

I'll pick up the flag for you

 

[Connorpozlee]

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Hey, back off of her for a bit. Snowstorm season is not far away which means she’ll have to get back to work!

 

[PSU12046]

The thing that I LOL at is Sara Ganim with "journalist" next to her name. She still has no idea how bad she was used in that whole mess.

 

[GrimReaper]

Hey, back off of her for a bit. Snowstorm season is not far away which means she’ll have to get back to work!

Ganim no longer works for CNN. Hard to tell if she works at all.

 

[marshall23]

Hey, back off of her for a bit. Snowstorm season is not far away which means she’ll have to get back to work!

She's top dog reporting train wrecks.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Ganim no longer works for CNN. Hard to tell if she works at all.

Hard to tell if she ever really “worked” for CNN at all. Standing in the middle of a blizzard and telling us it’s snowy and windy doesn’t really constitute work.

 

[marshall23]

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Lois Lame

 

[ApexLion]

Another couple of noteworthy gems:

"Don't worry. When the Freeh Report comes out, the board will be vindicated." - John Surma, November 2011.

"The Freeh Report will paint a destructive picture pointed right at Joe Paterno." Lanny Davis, March 2012

The bigger question is why hire a railroader like Lanny Davis unless you are building a railroad? I realize the American public often doesn't understand how messaging is planned and distributed to them via PR firms and media but even the common man should ask themselves why someone like Lanny Davis and a $11m PR campaign was paid for by Penn State to...wait for it...impugn the reputations of PSU employees.

 

[LionJim]

The bigger question is why hire a railroader like Lanny Davis unless you are building a railroad?

Wow, a perfectly framed question. Good job

 

[Frank Jameslin]

I'll add a few Karma names, if I might:
Laura Ditka
Tom Corbett
Sara Ganim
Jack Rackovitz
Katherine Genovese

(btw, I'm sure this thread will attract the BOT spies out of the woodwork like bees to honey)

Add Ron Tomalis, Corbett's henchman.

 

[ps_1294]

Honestly, if you follow twitter, you can see how easy it was to create the false narrative and generate outrage. To say the masses are stupid asses is an understatement.

Yep. Just listen to a political ad!

 

[Lionville]

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Jeebs. Who beat that face with a stick? She looks like a dog’s rear end.

 

[PSU12046]

Jeebs. Who beat that face with a stick? She looks like a dog’s rear end.

They taught her to walk backwards

 

[Zenophile]

Just in case there was any doubt about the kind of guy that Jim Delaney is, Spanier writes about a call from him, “Four years (after the B1G sanctions), he would call me to apologize personally for how the Big Ten had treated me, although he still expressed a grudge about Joe Paterno.”

 

[PSU12046]

Just in case there was any doubt about the kind of guy that Jim Delaney is, Spanier writes about a call from him, “Four years (after the B1G sanctions), he would call me to apologize personally for how the Big Ten had treated me, although he still expressed a grudge about Joe Paterno.”

That's just disgusting on many levels

 

[Psumatt85]

Just in case there was any doubt about the kind of guy that Jim Delaney is, Spanier writes about a call from him, “Four years (after the B1G sanctions), he would call me to apologize personally for how the Big Ten had treated me, although he still expressed a grudge about Joe Paterno.”

Makes me feel less bad about booing him in 2016 in Indy………
Wait, I didn’t feel bad before!

 

[Zenophile]

Makes me feel less bad about booing him in 2016 in Indy………
Wait, I didn’t feel bad before!

 

[Connorpozlee]

Just in case there was any doubt about the kind of guy that Jim Delaney is, Spanier writes about a call from him, “Four years (after the B1G sanctions), he would call me to apologize personally for how the Big Ten had treated me, although he still expressed a grudge about Joe Paterno.”

Does he say what Delaney’s grudge was?

 

[Bob78]

Which itself isn't terribly notable until you recall that the Freeh Report was released for the first time on 7/12/2012 and that Freeh's only first-hand investigatory interview was conducted on 7/06 with Graham Spanier.

For those of you scoring along at home, July 12th would not happen for another 38 days from the perspective of June 4th. That is some next level forecasting.

If memory serves, I think this interesting tidbit was included in the Alumni BOT report.

I may be wrong, but I seem to recall this pre-dating of the talking points ahead of the press conference goes with the fact that there was a Freeh group internal memo in April or May saying that they had not uncovered anything that would point to a cover-up at all, let alone a football-based cover-up, and speculated that maybe if there was a cover-up, it was to protect the institution, not the football program. Saying it was perhaps an institutional thing could then easily get pointed back to the OGBOT for having heard about it and doing nothing. The close ties that many on the OGBOT had to The Second Mile would then be exposed, as that aspect had been effectively buried since Nov. 2011.

And that is why it is supposed that the OGBOT insisted on no further investigation or claims vs. TSM in the settlements. They knew the real problem was with TSM, not PSU, and while they could distance themselves from the football program (Joe ran everything, we are just innocent pawns ala Blazing Saddles' Mongo), they could not really yammer their way out of both the PSU and TSM ties. Curley going to Raykovitz of TSM (mandated CSA reporter) and being told there was nothing to see here would have carried the weight it always should have. People would have realized that the incident was reported, and that it was not on PSU for fumbling the protocol ball. PSU did what they thought was right given the information McQ gave them.

As Curley said later, I wish we had asked more questions. In his defense, I believe they did not know what they did not know, and certainly not after twice being told by experts that there was nothing to the incidents reported.

 

[PSU12046]

If memory serves, I think this interesting tidbit was included in the Alumni BOT report.

I may be wrong, but I seem to recall this pre-dating of the talking points ahead of the press conference goes with the fact that there was a Freeh group internal memo in April or May saying that they had not uncovered anything that would point to a cover-up at all, let alone a football-based cover-up, and speculated that maybe if there was a cover-up, it was to protect the institution, not the football program. Saying it was perhaps an institutional thing could then easily get pointed back to the OGBOT for having heard about it and doing nothing. The close ties that many on the OGBOT had to The Second Mile would then be exposed, as that aspect had been effectively buried since Nov. 2011.

And that is why it is supposed that the OGBOT insisted on no further investigation or claims vs. TSM in the settlements. They knew the real problem was with TSM, not PSU, and while they could distance themselves from the football program (Joe ran everything, we are just innocent pawns ala Blazing Saddles' Mongo), they could not really yammer their way out of both the PSU and TSM ties. Curley going to Raykovitz of TSM (mandated CSA reporter) and being told there was nothing to see here would have carried the weight it always should have. People would have realized that the incident was reported, and that it was not on PSU for fumbling the protocol ball. PSU did what they thought was right given the information McQ gave them.

As Curley said later, I wish we had asked more questions. In his defense, I believe they did not know what they did not know, and certainly not after twice being told by experts that there was nothing to the incidents reported.

^^^ This whole post is so spot on!

I'll just add TC going to JR at TSM and JR giving the keys to JS for Bruce Heim's motel swimming pool and telling JS to just wear swim trunks.

 

[Zenophile]

Does he say what Delaney’s grudge was?

He does not. Though earlier in the book he describes the initial call to Delany to discuss instant replay to which it is implied that Delany's reaction was less than enthusiastic.

"Because college football was not supposed to be so high stakes (as professional), … an errant call here and there wasn't supposed to be such a big deal."

We all know how that turned out.

Disclaimer: That there may be any correlation between this and the "Paterno grudge" is purely my speculation.

 

[psuro]

If memory serves, I think this interesting tidbit was included in the Alumni BOT report.

I may be wrong, but I seem to recall this pre-dating of the talking points ahead of the press conference goes with the fact that there was a Freeh group internal memo in April or May saying that they had not uncovered anything that would point to a cover-up at all, let alone a football-based cover-up, and speculated that maybe if there was a cover-up, it was to protect the institution, not the football program. Saying it was perhaps an institutional thing could then easily get pointed back to the OGBOT for having heard about it and doing nothing. The close ties that many on the OGBOT had to The Second Mile would then be exposed, as that aspect had been effectively buried since Nov. 2011.

And that is why it is supposed that the OGBOT insisted on no further investigation or claims vs. TSM in the settlements. They knew the real problem was with TSM, not PSU, and while they could distance themselves from the football program (Joe ran everything, we are just innocent pawns ala Blazing Saddles' Mongo), they could not really yammer their way out of both the PSU and TSM ties. Curley going to Raykovitz of TSM (mandated CSA reporter) and being told there was nothing to see here would have carried the weight it always should have. People would have realized that the incident was reported, and that it was not on PSU for fumbling the protocol ball. PSU did what they thought was right given the information McQ gave them.

As Curley said later, I wish we had asked more questions. In his defense, I believe they did not know what they did not know, and certainly not after twice being told by experts that there was nothing to the incidents reported.

Perfectly stated.

 

[Bvillebaron]

If memory serves, I think this interesting tidbit was included in the Alumni BOT report.

I may be wrong, but I seem to recall this pre-dating of the talking points ahead of the press conference goes with the fact that there was a Freeh group internal memo in April or May saying that they had not uncovered anything that would point to a cover-up at all, let alone a football-based cover-up, and speculated that maybe if there was a cover-up, it was to protect the institution, not the football program. Saying it was perhaps an institutional thing could then easily get pointed back to the OGBOT for having heard about it and doing nothing. The close ties that many on the OGBOT had to The Second Mile would then be exposed, as that aspect had been effectively buried since Nov. 2011.

And that is why it is supposed that the OGBOT insisted on no further investigation or claims vs. TSM in the settlements. They knew the real problem was with TSM, not PSU, and while they could distance themselves from the football program (Joe ran everything, we are just innocent pawns ala Blazing Saddles' Mongo), they could not really yammer their way out of both the PSU and TSM ties. Curley going to Raykovitz of TSM (mandated CSA reporter) and being told there was nothing to see here would have carried the weight it always should have. People would have realized that the incident was reported, and that it was not on PSU for fumbling the protocol ball. PSU did what they thought was right given the information McQ gave them.

As Curley said later, I wish we had asked more questions. In his defense, I believe they did not know what they did not know, and certainly not after twice being told by experts that there was nothing to the incidents reported.

Correct and several months after hitting PSU football with draconian sanctions which Emmert admitted when he announced them were beyond the NCAA's authority to impose, it issued a policy which obligated coaches at schools to do precisely what Paterno did-report suspected abuse to the proper authorities and thereafter don't get involved or interfere.