Random talk with BOT candidate about "Success with Honor" and Joe's statue.

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A couple of weeks ago I bumped into Barry Fenchak in downtown State College and we chatted for a few moments about the election and the impending ESPN hatchet job that was about to take place. I asked Barry what he would do about Joe's legacy, including the statue and success with honor? Barry had a lot of ideas that we discussed and he said that many others had been asking similar questions and he'd post his position. Well, I was just out on his Facebook account and below is his response. I'd like the other candidates to give positions on this subject as well.

Of particular timeliness, I think, in light of the upcoming ESPN stories:
I have been asked: "What about the statue?", and I think that is a good question, that merits a meaningful response.
If we are talking about the physical statue specifically, I have the same questions. Barb Doran, Bill Oldsey, and Ted Brown - who are currently asking to be re-elected - should, I think, know the answers. They have been on the Board since 2013, and have had every opportunity to get those answers.
I have deferred, and will continue to defer, to the Paterno family on this issue. Sue Paterno settled a lawsuit with the University a few years ago. Whether the issue of the statue was a part of that, I do not know.
If the alumni elect me to a seat on the Board I will offer to meet with the Paterno family (Jay is, of course, on the Board) to offer my assistance - in whatever way they deem to be appropriate. I think that is the right thing to do. But it has to be their call.
Now, I actually think that this issue goes much broader than the physical statue itself - if we are talking about honoring and respecting the legacy of the idea we refer to as "Success with Honor".
The entire legacy of PSU Athletics - Success with Honor, The Grand Experiment, whatever terms you want to use - wherein PSU Football changed the paradigm of what college athletics could be all about. That was, of course, led by Joe Paterno - but also involved the efforts of hundreds of student-athletes, coaches, fans, administrators, alums, etc etc.
In many ways, the Board of Trustees (and, to a lesser extent, the Administration) has tried to erase that legacy That is wrong - to all of the people involved. And to many of the alumni, fans, boosters, and others who take pride in that legacy, it remains - rightfully - an open wound.
That needs to be addressed... and should have been addressed years and years ago. Why it hasn't been? I don't know. But as that issue has festered, unresolved, for years and years, it is incumbent upon the Board (and me individually as a member of the Board) to rectify that situation.
I believe I have ideas - in conjunction with what has been done by some of the Trustees in the past - that will help to achieve these goals. Again, it is the right thing to do.

 

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A couple of weeks ago I bumped into Barry Fenchak in downtown State College and we chatted for a few moments about the election and the impending ESPN hatchet job that was about to take place. I asked Barry what he would do about Joe's legacy, including the statue and success with honor? Barry had a lot of ideas that we discussed and he said that many others had been asking similar questions and he'd post his position. Well, I was just out on his Facebook account and below is his response. I'd like the other candidates to give positions on this subject as well.

Of particular timeliness, I think, in light of the upcoming ESPN stories:
I have been asked: "What about the statue?", and I think that is a good question, that merits a meaningful response.
If we are talking about the physical statue specifically, I have the same questions. Barb Doran, Bill Oldsey, and Ted Brown - who are currently asking to be re-elected - should, I think, know the answers. They have been on the Board since 2013, and have had every opportunity to get those answers.
I have deferred, and will continue to defer, to the Paterno family on this issue. Sue Paterno settled a lawsuit with the University a few years ago. Whether the issue of the statue was a part of that, I do not know.
If the alumni elect me to a seat on the Board I will offer to meet with the Paterno family (Jay is, of course, on the Board) to offer my assistance - in whatever way they deem to be appropriate. I think that is the right thing to do. But it has to be their call.
Now, I actually think that this issue goes much broader than the physical statue itself - if we are talking about honoring and respecting the legacy of the idea we refer to as "Success with Honor".
The entire legacy of PSU Athletics - Success with Honor, The Grand Experiment, whatever terms you want to use - wherein PSU Football changed the paradigm of what college athletics could be all about. That was, of course, led by Joe Paterno - but also involved the efforts of hundreds of student-athletes, coaches, fans, administrators, alums, etc etc.
In many ways, the Board of Trustees (and, to a lesser extent, the Administration) has tried to erase that legacy That is wrong - to all of the people involved. And to many of the alumni, fans, boosters, and others who take pride in that legacy, it remains - rightfully - an open wound.
That needs to be addressed... and should have been addressed years and years ago. Why it hasn't been? I don't know. But as that issue has festered, unresolved, for years and years, it is incumbent upon the Board (and me individually as a member of the Board) to rectify that situation.
I believe I have ideas - in conjunction with what has been done by some of the Trustees in the past - that will help to achieve these goals. Again, it is the right thing to do.


People who think he's a bomb thrower really do have it all wrong.
 

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That statue is never coming back in an unsecured location and with ESPN creating anger again amongst all the ignorant sheep out there, any timeline to have it or Paterno honored probably has been pushed out another 10 years or so. I’m sure ESPN already has it on their calendar to do another piece on Penn State in about 9-10 yrs.

And Barry will find he has no say regarding anything related to Paterno. If the actual power folks on BOT wanted to honor him, it would have already done so.
 

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That statue is never coming back in an unsecured location and with ESPN creating anger again amongst all the ignorant sheep out there, any timeline to have it or Paterno honored probably has been pushed out another 10 years or so. I’m sure ESPN already has it on their calendar to do another piece on Penn State in about 9-10 yrs.

And Barry will find he has no say regarding anything related to Paterno. If the actual power folks on BOT wanted to honor him, it would have already done so.
Perhaps season tickets holders should organize an event for Joe in conjunction with a game? Screw the enablers!
 
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If “Whoa Neeli” is smart she will address this immediately and the donations will flow like never before. The old guard, the ones with the $$$, can put closure to it. Bottom line, like it or not, Joe was wronged by a politically motivated and corrupt band of thieves and it needs to be righted. Otherwise, she will never raise the kind of money that will be needed to update and improve the facilities.
 
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I lost interest in the statue when the Paternos said they never wanted it in the first place. It was a long time ago, maybe I got that wrong? If they don't want it, and it is their husband and Dad, then I can't get too worked up. But Barry's got it right about the bigger issues. We ended up voting just for Barry because he's the only one who asked for our vote and didn't have their hand out while they were doing it.
 

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I lost interest in the statue when the Paternos said they never wanted it in the first place. It was a long time ago, maybe I got that wrong? If they don't want it, and it is their husband and Dad, then I can't get too worked up. But Barry's got it right about the bigger issues. We ended up voting just for Barry because he's the only one who asked for our vote and didn't have their hand out while they were doing it.

It isn’t the statue itself. It’s what it represents and the farce under which it was removed. Those are the issues. If the Paternos never wanted the statue, that’s fine. Melt it down to the ground. However, Penn State needs to do something, many things, to bring the (real) Paterno legacy back to Penn State. Joe needs to be acknowledged in a meaningful way and a visible part of Penn State.
 

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If there is nothing else that is a memory about Joe - it should be the following .... then the activity that you will plan and commit to.

"Believe deep down in your heart that you are destined to do great things" -- Joe Paterno
 
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I lost interest in the statue when the Paternos said they never wanted it in the first place. It was a long time ago, maybe I got that wrong? If they don't want it, and it is their husband and Dad, then I can't get too worked up. But Barry's got it right about the bigger issues. We ended up voting just for Barry because he's the only one who asked for our vote and didn't have their hand out while they were doing it.


It stopped being about whether the Paterno's wanted the statue when one considers the manner in which it was removed and remains hidden. It was done without dignity and respect. It is also a slight to those who played for Paterno. This is something the University can correct and, for once, show some backbone.
 

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It stopped being about whether the Paterno's wanted the statue when one considers the manner in which it was removed and remains hidden. It was done without dignity and respect. It is also a slight to those who played for Paterno. This is something the University can correct and, for once, show some backbone.
And what about the plaques that celebrated previous players. They had nothing to do related to the statue.
 
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It isn’t the statue itself. It’s what it represents and the farce under which it was removed. Those are the issues. If the Paternos never wanted the statue, that’s fine. Melt it down to the ground. However, Penn State needs to do something, many things, to bring the (real) Paterno legacy back to Penn State. Joe needs to be acknowledged in a meaningful way and a visible part of Penn State.
Just keep clicking your heels together while repeating "honor Joe" there Dorothy. Eventually you'll come to realize (or maybe not) that it isn't going to happen. Joe has been acknowledged all that he is going to be by the university. Your days of water cooler bragging rights are long gone and will not return. You can still pump yourself up among a pro-Joe crowd but you will be laughed at and ridiculed by an average audience.

If all of you are so determined that Joe should be "honored" then quit wasting time bitching about it on message boards, get off your lazy asses and get something organized to do just that. Put up or shut up.

LOL, like that is going to happen.
 
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Just keep clicking your heels together while repeating "honor Joe" there Dorothy. Eventually you'll come to realize (or maybe not) that it isn't going to happen. Joe has been acknowledged all that he is going to be by the university. Your days of water cooler bragging rights are long gone and will not return. You can still pump yourself up among a pro-Joe crowd but you will be laughed at and ridiculed by an average audience.

If all of you are so determined that Joe should be "honored" then quit wasting time bitching about it on message boards, get off your lazy asses and get something organized to do just that. Put up or shut up.

LOL, like that is going to happen.
 

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If “Whoa Neeli” is smart she will address this immediately and the donations will flow like never before. The old guard, the ones with the $$$, can put closure to it. Bottom line, like it or not, Joe was wronged by a politically motivated and corrupt band of thieves and it needs to be righted. Otherwise, she will never raise the kind of money that will be needed to update and improve the facilities.
If she's smart she'll briefly and carefully acknowledge Paterno in a statement when the question comes up, and then the topic will rarely be breeched again. The narrative is cemented, the statue isn't going to come back, and new public displays to honor Paterno are going to be very low-key for the foreseeable future. A new President isn't going to change this. I know many don't want to "move on" but this story has been written for a long time and the refusal to get past that is only going to bring you more personal frustration. I'll be absolutely shocked if the university ever does something that will appease that group of alumni at this point.
 
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Another vote for BARRY. o_O and only BARRY. o_O . I didn’t appreciate his way of addressing people on rivals.com, but he has toned it down here. Hopefully he has learned to focus on the (real) issues while maintaining decorum. In any case, he’s finally on the ballot (let’s hear it for perseverance), and he’s the only one to get my vote.
 

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I lost interest in the statue when the Paternos said they never wanted it in the first place. It was a long time ago, maybe I got that wrong? If they don't want it, and it is their husband and Dad, then I can't get too worked up. But Barry's got it right about the bigger issues. We ended up voting just for Barry because he's the only one who asked for our vote and didn't have their hand out while they were doing it.
The statue was always stupid and a bad likeness. It only mattered to me when it mattered enough to the BOT to take it down. In that sense, it wasn’t really about the statue but about the school’s attempt to erase Joe’s place in the school’s history.
 

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I didn’t vote for Barry. He only dwells on the negative as far as I’ve ever seen and aside from complaining about fiscal issues has never shown me any ability understand how to improve the quality of the education at Penn State. He is a one trick pony who cherry picks “data” to prove his preconceived notions, and believes he’s the smartest guy in the room. And when challenged, he becomes insulting and childish rather than constructively discussing the point at hand. He would be an embarrassment to the university if elected.
 
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I didn’t vote for Barry. He only dwells on the negative as far as I’ve ever seen and aside from complaining about fiscal issues has never shown me any ability understand how to improve the quality of the education at Penn State. He is a one trick pony who cherry picks “data” to prove his preconceived notions, and believes he’s the smartest guy in the room. And when challenged, he becomes insulting and childish rather than constructively discussing the point at hand. He would be an embarrassment to the university if elected.

And our bot has never embarrassed the university.
 

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The statue was always stupid and a bad likeness. It only mattered to me when it mattered enough to the BOT to take it down. In that sense, it wasn’t really about the statue but about the school’s attempt to erase Joe’s place in the school’s history.
Agreed. It was awful. That's reason enough not to bring it back. I mean did Joe EVER do the "#1" finger thing? I don't think so. Even if he did, was his pointer finger like 10 inches long? I also thought the face was kind of goofy.
 

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It isn’t the statue itself. It’s what it represents and the farce under which it was removed. Those are the issues. If the Paternos never wanted the statue, that’s fine. Melt it down to the ground. However, Penn State needs to do something, many things, to bring the (real) Paterno legacy back to Penn State. Joe needs to be acknowledged in a meaningful way and a visible part of Penn State.
Abso- freaking- lutely!!
 

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Just keep clicking your heels together while repeating "honor Joe" there Dorothy. Eventually you'll come to realize (or maybe not) that it isn't going to happen. Joe has been acknowledged all that he is going to be by the university. Your days of water cooler bragging rights are long gone and will not return. You can still pump yourself up among a pro-Joe crowd but you will be laughed at and ridiculed by an average audience.

If all of you are so determined that Joe should be "honored" then quit wasting time bitching about it on message boards, get off your lazy asses and get something organized to do just that. Put up or shut up.

LOL, like that is going to happen.
Time will tell.
 
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I didn’t vote for Barry. He only dwells on the negative as far as I’ve ever seen and aside from complaining about fiscal issues has never shown me any ability understand how to improve the quality of the education at Penn State. He is a one trick pony who cherry picks “data” to prove his preconceived notions, and believes he’s the smartest guy in the room. And when challenged, he becomes insulting and childish rather than constructively discussing the point at hand. He would be an embarrassment to the university if elected.
All fair points. First of all, the fact that he was able to calmly articulate an opinion to an individual on the street is no indication that he'll be able to do so once he doesn't get his way in a heated discussion about some issue before the board. In concert with the "believes he's the smartest guy in the room" issue is his over-confidence. Although he doesn't believe he could possibly be marginalized by the rest of the board, he could be without much trouble. What happens when he's stymied? Bomb throwing. Will it be productive? Doubtful. It will, however, have an emotional appeal for some PSU alums. Understood. There is a lot of frustration that's built up over the last ten years or so.
 
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The vote tally over on the BOT webpage as of yesterday says 13,099. Someone on FB said there were only 14k votes cast in 2019 the last time Barb, Ted, and Bill ran. Someone is getting voter attention.
 
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The vote tally over on the BOT webpage as of yesterday says 13,099. Someone on FB said there were only 14k votes cast in 2019 the last time Barb, Ted, and Bill ran. Someone is getting voter attention.
Barry made the ballot for the first time. He's one. I wouldn't be surprised if the "Penn State Forward" group makes some noise. They're well-organized.

 
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The vote tally over on the BOT webpage as of yesterday says 13,099. Someone on FB said there were only 14k votes cast in 2019 the last time Barb, Ted, and Bill ran. Someone is getting voter attention.
23k actually in 2021...Interesting to me is top 3 grad years were 73,74, and 75, and top county is Centre... Males also 2 to 1 more likely to vote
 

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