SIAP "Snap Infraction"???

[BostonNit]

So, if a QB is in the shotgun and the center snaps it over his head, it's a live ball. But if the snap dribbles along the ground it's a "snap infraction" and a dead ball?

Is this legit or did the B1G refs make something up?

I can understand not allowing the center to intentionally set the ball down, ala fumblerooski, but that was just a bad snap last night.

What gives?

 

[Classof09]

So, if a QB is in the shotgun and the center snaps it over his head, it's a live ball. But if the snap dribbles along the ground it's a "snap infraction" and a dead ball?

Is this legit or did the B1G refs make something up?

I can understand not allowing the center to intentionally set the ball down, ala fumblerooski, but that was just a bad snap last night.

What gives?

I played center in high school. Once you move that ball after getting it set, it is live. Fumble. Interesting that Kirk, Fowler and the ESPN crew didn’t question it more or go to the rules expert. Either way, I don’t think it was a reviewable play since they called it a snap infraction/false start. Big miss by the officials.

 

[Big_O]

The refs misinterpretated the rule. I looked the rule up during the game. The snap infraction is meant to prevent the center from moving the ball a few inches keeping it in his hand before snapping it (simulating a snap) to try and draw the defense offsides. The center clearly snapped the ball poorly which dribbled backwards along the ground toward the QB. I believe they huddled after Penn State recovered to come up with this gem. I have seen this called a few times in NFL games and the infraction appeared nowhere near how it looked in the game last night (the center never let go of the ball).

 

[rem524]

The tOSU center was called for a second "snap infraction" later in the game and it was called correctly. He started to bring the ball back, stopped and moved it back forward. The refs actually knew the rule in that case.

Their center had a rough stretch during the game. Along with the fumble, he was not on the right snap count at least a few times.

 

[MacNit]

The refs misinterpretated the rule. I looked the rule up during the game. The snap infraction is meant to prevent the center from moving the ball a few inches keeping it in his hand before snapping it (simulating a snap) to try and draw the defense offsides. The center clearly snapped the ball poorly which dribbled backwards along the ground toward the QB. I believe they huddled after Penn State recovered to come up with this gem. I have seen this called a few times in NFL games and the infraction appeared nowhere near how it looked in the game last night (the center never let go of the ball).

Absolutely that is what they did…those “Penn State huddles” only to emerge with a new gem to screw us has been quite common over our Big10 tenure.

 

[JakkL]

In the refs defense he threw the flag immediately and ran in blowingthe whistle. He was wrong, but it was not a conspiracy.

 

[rudedude]

In the refs defense he threw the flag immediately and ran in blowingthe whistle. He was wrong, but it was not a conspiracy.

IMO, there needs to be some sort of challenge ability for those egregious calls
That could be a potential game changing play and it was because we did not get the actual fumble that we recovered.

 

[PrtLng Lion]

In the refs defense he threw the flag immediately and ran in blowingthe whistle. He was wrong, but it was not a conspiracy.

...until they called the replay officials who confirmed the "snap infraction" call. (I'm kidding.... sort of...)

Not that this one play cost us the game, but dang... sure seems like we're on the receiving end of Bizarro calls more than our opponents.

 

[VaDave4PSU]

...until they called the replay officials who confirmed the "snap infraction" call. (I'm kidding.... sort of...)

Not that this one play cost us the game, but dang... sure seems like we're on the receiving end of Bizarro calls more than our opponents.

Did you not hear Michigan fans after Sparty beat them? "They" get "all" the bad calls.
/s

 

[CDLionFL]

In the refs defense he threw the flag immediately and ran in blowingthe whistle. He was wrong, but it was not a conspiracy.

I was about to say something similar. Official saw what he thought was the infraction and blew it dead. Once it’s blown dead, their hands are pretty tied, especially when the ball is rolling around as the whistle is blown unlike in a clear recovery situation.

Broadcast really did blow it because the quarter ended at that point and they had a 3:00 break to talk in commercial about how or if to address it. They punted on it and they shouldn’t have.

 

[MacNit]

Did you not hear Michigan fans after Sparty beat them? "They" get "all" the bad calls.
/s

Because they are tbe beneficiaries more often than not. They don’t call it “Spartarined,”. The favored two are favored by matter of policy.

 

[Nohow]

Because they are tbe beneficiaries more often than not. They don’t call it “Spartarined,”. The favored two are favored by matter of policy.

Indeed. And the announcer clowns had the audacity to call out psu “holding”.

 

[Manofsteel200]

...until they called the replay officials who confirmed the "snap infraction" call. (I'm kidding.... sort of...)

Not that this one play cost us the game, but dang... sure seems like we're on the receiving end of Bizarro calls more than our opponents.

Cost us at least 3 points. Then the Lovett play ....so hard to beat a good team when you have to beat the refs every time as well

 

[Chris92]

Indeed. And the announcer clowns had the audacity to call out psu “holding”.

Watch Brandon Smith on this play, even as the Henderson runs past him, he can't get free of tOSU OL. Why is that?

 

[gslachta1]

Did you not hear Michigan fans after Sparty beat them? "They" get "all" the bad calls.
/s

Was at a golf dinner at Lancaster CC quite a few years ago and seated with a Michigan “man”. He voiced the same thing about us. Really I said. Thought Tony Johnson was OOB, that the ManninghamTD/Carr extra seconds were legit, etc

 

[gslachta1]

Watch Brandon Smith on this play, even as the Henderson runs past him, he can't get free of tOSU OL. Why is that?

You can’t call holding on OSU in the Shoe? Sorry you can’t call holding on OSU ever. One year OSU had close to zero holding calls. BIG wants to prop up CFP chances for them. Prove me wrong. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck it’s Oregon, Bucks!

 

[gslachta1]

Cost us at least 3 points. Then the Lovett play ....so hard to beat a good team when you have to beat the refs every time as wellhead

Try reconciling the difference in fumble recovery in Illinois- forward progress and the Clifford one against Ohio State. You can’t. The BIG bias is flagrant. Sandy, you got this?

 

[gslachta1]

You can’t call holding on OSU in the Shoe? Sorry you can’t call holding on OSU ever. One year OSU had close to zero holding calls. BIG wants to prop up CFP chances for them. Prove me wrong. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck it’s Oregon, Bucks!

No holding calls in 1999 game against Courtney Brown, Lavar Arrington, Brandon Short, Mac Morrison… right!

 

[ODShowtime]

Try reconciling the difference in fumble recovery in Illinois- forward progress and the Clifford one against Ohio State. You can’t. The BIG bias is flagrant. Sandy, you got this?

I was going to ask why we didn't get a whistle when Cliff's forward progress was stopped prior to the fumble, but it's just pissing in the wind.

 

[CDLionFL]

Cost us at least 3 points. Then the Lovett play ....so hard to beat a good team when you have to beat the refs every time as well

You’re really grasping for a whiny narrative when you cite the Lovett play as us getting screwed. How about a 5th-year guy knowing where he is on the field?

 

[ps_1294]

 

[gslachta1]

I was going to ask why we didn't get a whistle when Cliff's forward progress was stopped prior to the fumble, but it's just pissing in the wind.

Different rules/calls for different teams. Statistical probability of “blown” calls in one game(snap, Lovitz OOB, Clifford “fumble”, lack of holding”, roughing on qb not called- they purposely affected his throwing 2nd half) too high to be “the breaks” Not to mention time after time (Hack “interception”, FG after time off clock) I don’t mind pissing in the wind- I’m a urologist. Eventually people will get tired of them pissing on your head and telling you it’s raining! These aren’t just rants. I’m saying what most are thinking or can’t- muzzled.
Is 5 rants in a row a record?

 

[gslachta1]

You’re really grasping for a whiny narrative when you cite the Lovett play as us getting screwed. How about a 5th-year guy knowing where he is on the field?

See his Twitter account if you think I’m wrong.

 

[ODShowtime]

Different rules/calls for different teams. Statistical probability of “blown” calls in one game(snap, Lovitz OOB, Clifford “fumble”, lack of holding”, roughing on qb not called- they purposely affected his throwing 2nd half) too high to be “the breaks” Not to mention time after time (Hack “interception”, FG after time off clock) I don’t mind pissing in the wind- I’m a urologist. Eventually people will get tired of them pissing on your head and telling you it’s raining! These aren’t just rants. I’m saying what most are thinking or can’t- muzzled.
Is 5 rants in a row a record?

I honestly believe we're only in the Big Ten to be a patsy.

 

[PSJimbo]

I posted this in a similar thread on the "old" board so please forgive me for posting it here as well. The "snap infraction" call was totally made up at that moment in time. You can see it on the ref's face for a couple moments when it occurred. He didn't know what to call. He realized the whistle should never had been blown and he was on the hook to call something so he blurted out, "snap infraction". It made me think of that insurance commercial where the schtick is don't become your parents. I'm talking about the part of the commercial where the guy blurts out, "hair is blue!".

 

[MacNit]

Try reconciling the difference in fumble recovery in Illinois- forward progress and the Clifford one against Ohio State. You can’t. The BIG bias is flagrant. Sandy, you got this?

Been this way since 1993…accelerated in 2012

 

[CDLionFL]

See his Twitter account if you think I’m wrong.

Whose Twitter account? How about just linking it to make it easier?

 

[gslachta1]

Whose Twitter account? How about just linking it to make it easier?

Lovitz. No, I’m sure you can find it. Sum it up for you. He stated that the OSU kid came to him and verified he pushed him out.

 

[CDLionFL]

Jon Lovitz? Loved him on SNL.

Listen, LOVETT can report whatever the OSU player came up to him and said, video is gonna say otherwise and Lovett touched OB before the OSU kid nudged him and even if the OSU kid hadn't touched him, he was still going out of bounds.

 

[ChiTownLionPSU]

 

[ChiTownLionPSU]

Twitter search John Lovett and this is the first result, fwiw.