Th UNC-CHeats of baseball? FBI probes Cards

[MdWIldcat55]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/s...eakingNews&contentID=36069111&pgtype=Homepage

This sounds pretty serious, with the FBI and the US Justice Department criminal division involved. THis could make the New England Patriots scandal look like harmless hijinks.

 

[mashburned]

Lol

Glad we have the FBI. They are so good.

 

[funKYcat75]

SIMPSONS DID IT!!

 

[Lexie's Dad]

Like Jesse Ventura said, "Win if you can, lose if you must, but cheat at all costs."

Not going to change me from being a Cardinals baseball fan.

 

[Comebakatz3]

What the hell could the Cardinals have wanted to "steal" from the Astros? This makes no sense.

 

[UK_Memphis]

What the hell could the Cardinals have wanted to "steal" from the Astros? This makes no sense.

Did you read the article? It started out as them digging to see if the Astros stole any proprietary info about how the Cards ran their minor league system. Sounds like they were able to access it and then released some of that info out of spite. Wasn't used as a competitive advantage. Still wrong though.

And how big of a dumbass is the Houston GM that he used old passwords.

 

[Comebakatz3]

Did you read the article? It started out as them digging to see if the Astros stole any proprietary info about how the Cards ran their minor league system. Sounds like they were able to access it and then released some of that info out of spite. Wasn't used as a competitive advantage. Still wrong though.

And how big of a dumbass is the Houston GM that he used old passwords.

Sorry, I didn't actually read that article. I had read several other articles and none of them contained any information on why the Cardinals might have been doing it.

 

[UK_Memphis]

Sorry, I didn't actually read that article. I had read several other articles and none of them contained any information on why the Cardinals might have been doing it.

Forgot to add that the Stros hired that GM away from STL in December of 2011. He hired away several key figures and they implemented a system very similar to what is done by STL. That is why they though proprietary info might have been stolen.

 

[Comebakatz3]

I am pretty intrigued by this. The scouts work for each team, but what if a scout is hired by another team? Who owns the intellectual property of the scout? How much can the scout disclose to the new team? If he drafted a scouting report for Team A can he then use the same report for Team B? To complicate it more you have the "Moneyball" style of building and scouting for a team. That uses science to basically find better players, and each team, if they use this, probably has a little bit of a different system. What if someone that is intimate with that system goes to another team? How can the first team protect their system? What about the information that they have gathered from their system? Do they have any claim to that as intellectual property?

Someone may know the answers to these things. I took intellectual property in law school, but I think this is a bit above my head. It does intrigue me though.

 

[ukalum01]

Anytime an organization is described as "doing things the right way" or "classy" just remember that anyone and everyone saying it is FOS. Organizations want to win and will do whatever they can to win. St Louis is as if not more dirty than any other MLB team (and that's not a recent revelation). They should be slurped for winning... but the high character organization BS that has been spouted about them for years was laughable.

 

[thabigbluenation]

see a bunch a butt hurt comments from "fans" of organizations whose success has not been at the same level. carry on.

 

[UK_Memphis]

Anytime an organization is described as "doing things the right way" or "classy" just remember that anyone and everyone saying it is FOS. Organizations want to win and will do whatever they can to win. St Louis is as if not more dirty than any other MLB team (and that's not a recent revelation). They should be slurped for winning... but the high character organization BS that has been spouted about them for years was laughable.

Other than what is happening now....nice examples.

 

[funKYcat75]

I'd say one guy or a dep't will take the fall for this. I don't see it as a baseball issue, rather a legal one.

As much as I'd love to see the Cards taken down a notch or twelve.

 

[TruBluCatFan]

see a bunch a butt hurt comments from "fans" of organizations whose success has not been at the same level. carry on.

Maybe. I don't see it as a baseball issue as much as a vendetta against a former employee.

Somebody is going to jail for being stupid.

 

[GhostVol]

Maybe. I don't see it as a baseball issue as much as a vendetta against a former employee.

Somebody is going to jail for being stupid.

As a Cards fan, I agree. Somebody needs to go to jail, because this was truly vindictive and just plain stupid.

 

[CatsBy90_rivals30112]

As a Pirates fan, I really hope important Cardinals FO folks were involved in this. The Pirates could go undefeated the rest of the season and still might not take the division. St. Louis just doesn't lose.

 

[Lexie's Dad]

As a Cardinals fan, I think the reputation is there because the crowds are always big .- even when the team has an off year (back in the late 80's early 90's I actually quit going to games because I was convinced the team didn't care about winning because they knew they could sell 2.5 million tickets a year even with a terrible team). The crowds usually know baseball are are more or less polite.

Go way back and Whitey Herzog got rid of some very good players because they had behavior issues (the bad joke at one time was that Keith Hernandez was such a good defensive first baseman because he was trying to snort the foul line).

I'm not absolving this incident, but at the same time I'll stick with my team. I stuck through the SI cover and probation period of UK basketball as a fan - though I'll go to my grave feeling that nobody would have stuck cash in an envelope when you could just get a booster to deliver it, nor that an envelope would accidentally open.

 

[ukfan606]

As a die hard St. Louis fan whoever is responsible needs to go to jail end of story.

 

[liveblue92]

Off topic, I'm a big cards fan but I hate Louisville too much to even utter the words "go cards". I have to say "go stl cards". Anyone else have a difficult time with this?

 

[ukfan606]

Live blue I'm in the same boat I always so go St. Louis can't say go cards at all

 

[liveblue92]

Live blue I'm in the same boat I always so go St. Louis can't say go cards at all

Well I'm glad I'm not alone lol.

 

[Comebakatz3]

^^^ My friend is a huge St. Louis fan. I don't really have an MLB team. So, I tend to pull for them, but have a hard time doing it because they are called the Cardinals. lol