The Chinese Opium Wars & How There's NO WAY ANYTHING Like THAT Would Ever Happen Again

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I've taken one of the books from my collection (Jack Beeching's 1975 Historical Account of the Chinese Opium Wars) and did a review on my blog.

There are excerpts - historical precedent of using native population as "rebels" to destabilize a standing government that's in the way of business - and I try to make a comparison to the modern day Poppy production (and Opium, Heroin etc - the vast majority of the world's heroin supply (some say 90%) comes from Afghanistan poppy fields -- which we aren't really restricting in any meaningful way).

This is a REALLY GREAT book - check it out if you can.

PS: The blog is advertisement free / I don't intend to make money on it --- just trying to share some ideas


Have a nice Wednesday or whatever the "F" tomorrow is

it IS my birthday by the way --

so you fruit loops should all be NICE to me tomorrow ------ damnit


AN EXCERPT:

Author, Jack Beeching does an outstanding job of illuminating an oft-forgotten corner of history that I believe is as relevant today as it was in the 19th century - and for multiple reasons!

The book was written in 1975 and addresses the infamous (for those who still even know it happened that is...) "Chinese Opium Wars" waged by The British under Queen Victoria in the mid to late 1800's.

Not including additional pages for the index and sources / methods - my copy runs 331 page, and is a first edition.

I take only one issue with the book so I'll get that out of the way first - the physical material, actual pressing of the spine / pages is sub-standard. I recall seeing similar feedback online as well so its not just my specific copy. This book addresses a vital bit of history that we can ABSOLUTELY LEARN FROM - it's a pity that it was assembled little better than some throw away pulp fiction.

But onto the book and the history therein.
First, some brief context and orientation on where we are focusing in history.
There were actually two separate wars waged by the British - the first occurred in the 1840's and the second, later that century in the 1850's.
At this point in world history the British Empire was a major world power with one of the finest and most effective navies in the world.
By contrast, the Chinese were well behind the British in terms of technology even though they were a much older civilization.


Queen Victoria - Team Opium
The first thing that should jump out at you about this conflict is the moment of what I call "Naked History". The Opium Wars are still called just that -- because the British were fighting for their desire to import and sell -- OPIUM. It's not like they dressed u the conflict to market it to people like we do today (especially the USA unfortunately) - no one was bombing Chinese ports because they were
Long story made short the British needed a way to offset or reverse the flow of hard currency (silver) which was leaving their coffers (and national budget as well) and going to their colonies to pay for TEA.

This tragic, overlooked, sordid little corner of history has so many angles - but one of them is addiction - and the subsequent CONTROL that others may receive as a result of it. The British were addicted to tea - and in order to recover their ongoing loss of revenue - they started sponsoring Poppy cultivation in India (and parts of China as well I think) - with the specific purpose of IMPORTING it (on the street they call that "pushing" or "dealing", kids - and you go to jail for it) into China so as to generate Opium addiction within that civilization.


More Satisfied Customers of the British Opium "Trade" - (I can almost hear their loyal testimonies now!)
That's it -- there were no heroic 'other goals' from our British friends. And as you read the book you'll quickly acquire a growing appreciation for two (more probably) things:



 

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PS: Original article is a lot longer with a pretty good collection of links from various news sources (roughly 2010 to 2016) showing:

a) Taliban still hanging around
b) wild upsurge in poppy production in 2016
c) NATO troops "patrol" the poppy fields ----- for WHAT?? Poppy MICE?
d) at least one confirmation (and quote from a US General) that we will NOT hinder their poppy cultivation -- essentially....because....."it wouldn't be fair - cause that's their living"

WELL -- I know some fairly upstanding people in Kentucky that OUTTA BE ALLOWED TO PURSUE A LIVING "CULTIVATING WHILE WERE ON THE SUBJECT


I am going to look into statistics on drug dependency - specifically operates for population centers in Afghan -- if such a thing exists it probably would be with the WHO and not the UN

I'll bet half those poor souls are strung out beyond comprehension ---
While the other half are RAMMA_DAMMA_DING_DONG ALLAHAHAHAHAHYIEEE!!!! Angry Muslim types......

no real in between in a place like that you know??

I mean seriously -- this is a GREAT WAY for Trump' admin to show that they're truly different

GET US THE HELL OUT OF AFGHANISTAN
 
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I might be misremembering, but didn't the British simply run out of silver to trade. The Chinese only wanted silver for tea. The British colonies by the mid 19th were not producing new silver at a rate to satisfy their demand for tea.
 

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^ The Chinese government didn't want to trade for European goods. They only wanted hard currency for tea/spices/silk/etc. The British came up with the idea of importing Opium to China and addicting the population. Now the British had a good that they could trade rather than having to use currency. It really was an evil genius kind of idea.

 

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I might be misremembering, but didn't the British simply run out of silver to trade. The Chinese only wanted silver for tea. The British colonies by the mid 19th were not producing new silver at a rate to satisfy their demand for tea.

The book I was referencing definitely talks about how they were bleeding silver

AND 10% of their entire govt budget was comprised of taxes / revenue from TEA (sales, import/export and taxes etc)

Opium was commonly eaten for medicinal purposes -- I mean.....who wouldn't right? Throw it on your plate with a little bit of corn and taters.....put on some "Arcade Fire" (Suburbs is their best work ever)....and "get medicinal"

Smoking it of course produces intensified effects and often - stupor. Withdrawal can become a real thing as well.....so you're not just making money....you're creating SUBSERVIENT SLAVES.

Apparently it was the Portuguese that learned the trick before the Brit's -- they'd pay dock hands in Opium and somehow encourage them to LIGHT IT UP, DUUUDE YEERRR VAAAAAPIN'......they quickly noted that those workers were arriving again the next day READY FOR MORE WORK AND MORE OPIUM.......

So let's ask some questions here objectively:

1) What IS our purpose in Afghanistan?
Originally it was SPECIFICALLY to remove the Taliban....

2) Doesn't make sense that we would either an ALL or NOTHING approach to the poppy fields and production capabilities?
I mean - if we are going to go in and wipe out the poppy fields AND then help them replant something else (I know that's already been tried to some extent and it isn't that simple -- but you shouldn't just go in and eradicate everything without investing in SOME kind of good will -- increase foreign aid maybe? I don't know)

3) DOES ANYONE -- ANNNNYONE think that we are bringing any kind of real change to that forlorn spot on the earth??

This is a modern day version of the "Opium Wars" - I can't prove it -- but I can (and have) show the historical precedent

But if we AREN"T going down that road -- and we aren't (see the quote below from one of our US Generals -- I assume this still represents current policy? He basically says it's not FAIR for us to remove their source of livelihood......but if we are not going to attack the source -- then GET THE HELL OUT -- the troops are sitting ducks and spending way too much time deployed as it is ---- additionally - you may soon be seeing a REAL WAR w/China (ironically) over South china Seas shipping lanes, or Iran over nuclear development and general asshattery or North Korea because both sides are playing chicken with Aircraft carrier groups, IRBM's and big ol' buckets of PRIDE.

You might NEED this solders somewhere else pretty soon is my point I guess

but that's thinking SOMEWHAT logically ---
it's easy to forget that we literally have insane sociopaths trying to remake the world in their PRECIOUS NEW WORLD F'ING ORDER

HAHAHA - the REALLY WILD THING -- is this ****'s just going to continue to gain momentum and get CRAZIER



well.....I didn't realize I'd written that much........
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read that and....uh....you know..... get back with me, chaps.

just go easy on the opium

I'm gonna go to happy hour soon and meet up with an old colleague -- saying goodbye to some good folks down here "in stages" as we prepare to move to AZ.
 

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So what % of heroin in USA comes from Afghanistan?

I've seen and heard lots of talk blaming Mexico for the heroin surge. Supposedly legalizing MJ in America has hurt the cartels MJ business so they converted mj fields to poppies.

If we didn't kill Pablo would Mexico have been the mess it is now?

Think our military still transports heroin from Middle East? Hell fn yes they do. Idgas, guns and drugs are the world's currency. Everybody needs that ****.
 

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^ The Chinese government didn't want to trade for European goods. They only wanted hard currency for tea/spices/silk/etc. The British came up with the idea of importing Opium to China and addicting the population. Now the British had a good that they could trade rather than having to use currency. It really was an evil genius kind of idea.

BEAUTIFUL - YES!

I love a good history convo - and THIS ONE is far more important than people may realize

Do you believe we are repeating at least some of the same dynamics/tactics and ruses in our foreign policy today -- that the Brits employed during these Victorian Drug Wars?

I fully believe we're not only copying the old British empire
I think there's a CHANCE they may be directing some of the US actions --


Some stuff to check out when / if you get the desire to learn more about Opium - Afghanistan and our BETRAYED / STRANDED / MILITARY


UN: Opium production skyrockets in Afghanistan
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/24/asia/afghanistan-opium-production/index.html

US CHANGED POLICY ON POPPY ERADICATION -- WILL NOT TOUCH POPPY FIELDS
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/world/asia/21marja.html

From Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal on down, the military’s position is clear: “U.S. forces no longer eradicate,” as one NATO official put it. Opium is the main livelihood of 60 to 70 percent of the farmers in Marja, which was seized from Taliban rebels in a major offensive last month. American Marines occupying the area are under orders to leave the farmers’ fields alone.

“Marja is a special case right now,” said Cmdr. Jeffrey Eggers, a member of the general’s Strategic Advisory Group, his top advisory body. “We don’t trample the livelihood of those we’re trying to win over.”

US/NATO Troops Patrolling Opium Poppy Fields in Afghanistan
https://publicintelligence.net/usnato-troops-patrolling-opium-poppy-fields-in-afghanistan/
 

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So what % of heroin in USA comes from Afghanistan?

I've seen and heard lots of talk blaming Mexico for the heroin surge. Supposedly legalizing MJ in America has hurt the cartels MJ business so they converted mj fields to poppies.

If we didn't kill Pablo would Mexico have been the mess it is now?

Think our military still transports heroin from Middle East? Hell fn yes they do. Idgas, guns and drugs are the world's currency. Everybody needs that ****.

Mexico is like 3rd in the AP Poll for producing Poppy so they ARE a source -- and given proximity and the complete lack of WILL from our country to ENFORCE COMMONSENSE - BORDER PROTECTIONS --- well, I'm sure (hell I know PERSONALLY form at least one person in Atlanta......lonnnnng story) -- that you are correct .... there's a good deal of Mexican heroin coming in the US

I'd like to keep learning more -- I think this is a huge issue sitting right in front of everyone's faces

NO REASON rational ppl on the Left and Right (maybe even Louisville fans?) wouldn't unit and DEMAND some type of "SHART OR GET OFF THE POT" agenda in regards to our MILITARY and Afghanistan ....

It's f'ing shameful how the military has been used / abused and prostitued out since 9/11
IN 2014 there were 22 SUICIDES A DAY AMONG VETERANS

22 A DAMN DAY KILLING THEMSELVES (I have a link to the VA report if you're interested)

I don't have all the answers but I KNOW a little thing called "Ops Tempo" is a part of the problem

Also - perhaps - the idea of war that never ends / doesn't have stable enemies or allies --- and seems to be going backwards more often than not......yeah -- that's not good on the troops either, sarge


We need to inject some common damn, sense back into our government and leadership
And if people want to wring their hands or - some after those who insist on sound borders, sound economic decisions, and NOT waging "war for peace" -- then THEYRE the ones with the damn problem

I swear to God if I didn't know any better I'd think the men in this nation had been Engineered to become more complacent and even feminized than their historical counterparts.......


wait...
 

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Wyvern, opium trade if you look at it is a Bush family enterprise. That's how the Bush family got rich. Opium.
 

CastleRubric

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Big Pharma is now the modern East India Trading company.


damn - interesting
Also consistent with an Aldous Huxley influenced type of control

My father in law came over tonight and drank up my beers - BUT DID point out that Afghanistan is BRIMMING with natural resources.......I honestly had no idea

The chinese are all over it but they're taking the "investment of infrastructre" route (new silk road I believe)

here's a link showing many of the varied and assorted baubles that so many nations have failed to secure!

http://www.afghanistan-culture.com/natural-resources.html
 

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Wyvern, opium trade if you look at it is a Bush family enterprise. That's how the Bush family got rich. Opium.


haven't ever heard about that -- this is the most interesting thing I've read in a while

but damn -- Queen Victoria stated looking like Earnest Borgnine in later years

Too much bad opium maybe
 

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I posted this in politics but I figured it was relevant here too.

Nangarhar is where they dropped the MOAB. China's GMO poppy seed allows for production year round.



An Afghan security personnel keeps watch at a road construction site, which is being built by a Chinese company, in Khogyani district of Nangarhar province November 19, 2015. REUTERS/Parwiz/Files
China's expanding security role in Afghanistan
The other side to China's regional engagement is its economic investment -- something that comes under the auspices of the Silk Road Economic Belt (through Central Asia and across Eurasia ultimately to Europe) and down the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). Afghanistan has always sat awkwardly in between, but recently there has been a particular effort by Beijing to tie Afghanistan into the vision.

In Nov. 2016, Assistant Foreign Minister Kong Xuanyou visited Kabul warmly welcoming Afghanistan into the vision and specifically suggested that Afghanistan consider train lines between Quetta and Kabul, and Peshawar and Kabul. It is not clear how these will happen, though soon afterwards the China Road and Bridge Corporation (CRBC) won a $205m contract, issued by the Asian Development Bank (ADB) to build a 178 km road connecting northern Mazar-i-Sharif city to Yakawlang.

For Beijing, a stable and secure Afghanistan is both key to domestic security as well as its growing investments in Pakistan.




To Defeat Terrorism In Afghanistan, Start With Opium Crops in Nangarhar Province
Afghanistan produces 70-80% of the world’s opium, and in 2015, over 127,000people worldwide died of opium-related deaths. Afghan opium production surged 43% in Afghanistan in 2016, in part due to a new genetically modified poppy seed introduced from China in 2015.
 

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damn - interesting
Also consistent with an Aldous Huxley influenced type of control

My father in law came over tonight and drank up my beers - BUT DID point out that Afghanistan is BRIMMING with natural resources.......I honestly had no idea

The chinese are all over it but they're taking the "investment of infrastructre" route (new silk road I believe)

here's a link showing many of the varied and assorted baubles that so many nations have failed to secure!

http://www.afghanistan-culture.com/natural-resources.html

Connect the dots folks. Our world is run by a bunch of gangsters fighting over Oil, Drugs, Human Trafficking, Weapons, and Natural resources.

THE TAPI PIPELINE AND PATHS TO PEACE IN AFGHANISTAN
By Barnett Rubin
December 30, 2015

To support such coöperation, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton rolled out the U.S.’s New Silk Road (N.S.R.) Strategy during the U.N. General Assembly in September, 2011. The U.S. included both tapi and CASA 1000 in the N.S.R., but Washington did not offer the financing or security guarantees needed to implement them. In early 2015, however, suffering from the deep recession hitting Russia as a result of both international sanctions over Ukraine and the falling price of oil, the Russian state energy conglomerate Gazprom cut Russian gas purchases from Turkmenistan from ten to four billion cubic metres and failed to pay its bills. This came on top of a unilateral reduction in imports by Gazprom in 2009, which came with so little notice that it caused a pipeline explosion, temporarily halting the flow of all Turkmen gas to Russia. The resulting loss of much of its chief market pushed Turkmenistan to promise financing for tapi, though at a level some doubt it can sustain.

two hundred billion dollars, in just the next three years, in energy, transport, and other forms of infrastructure connecting China’s west and southwest to global markets. China’s Silk Road New Economic Belt will link China to Central Asia and onward to the Mediterranean and Europe. To the south and southeast, the Maritime Silk Road will connect major ports on the Indian Ocean, from Africa to Indonesia. The forty-six-billion-dollar China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (cpec) announced by President Xi Jinping during his visit to Islamabad in April, 2015, will link the two into a single program, which the Chinese call One Belt, One Road: obor.
 

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DAMN that's good stuff -- I mean -- that's what I'm talking about

Just doing One Little Thing to communicate openly and promote accountability and all that -- if more people starting digging in and doing a WHOLE BUNCH of ONE LITTLE THINGS ---- I think we might be able to make real change

Marxists have a theory about "historical inertia" that's fascinating to me though -- and for what little i know about it -- it might be the one damnthing I agree with them on

it's like critical mass - there comes a point where you kind of lose the window to cause change -- too little too late kind of thing and "history isn't on your side" etc

I should read more on it but won't be able to really five in until winter


thanks for those last two pasts --- that's good info and I just told by mean 'ol pretty eyed wife about the Chinese poppy


Ironic and .... kind of funny

we came a long damn way to plant and bonb each other's flowers and what not:bomb:

Good Lord -- I'm going to get another beer and drink it while folding the Strat --- be right back
 

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I believe we are at war with China. Not your conventional military war but with threats from NK it won't be long. They are buying up our businesses and flooding our streets with deadly drugs. They are using the Fat Boy to harass us into military action.

Chinese companies willing to export deadly opioid carfentanil to Canada and U.S.

Before being discovered by drug dealers, carfentanil and substances like it were viewed as chemical weapons. One of the most powerful opioids in circulation, carfentanil is so deadly that an amount smaller than a poppy seed can kill a person. Fentanyl is up to 50 times stronger than heroin; carfentanil is chemically similar, but 100 times stronger than fentanyl itself.

“It’s a weapon,” said Andrew Weber, assistant secretary of defense for nuclear, chemical and biological defense programs from 2009 to 2014. “Companies shouldn’t be just sending it to anybody.”


 

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I've never tried anything other than marijuana and I swear I won't. Besides opiates and opiods being EXTREMELY addictive, they also cause (intentionally in some cases) constipation. That is all I need to heare about opiods. Not being able to **** is worse than being in prison.