Oh How We’ve Grown

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I'll play...
Did Joe survive many bad seasons at Penn State that other coaches wouldn't have? Even high profile coaches...Osborne never won less than 9. Saban won double digits every year after his first at Bama. Our base accepted less because we did things the "right way". Right?

Wouldn't a man as smart as Joe realize that when you're having undefeated seasons that likely will become the expectation?

Did Joe always plan ahead...on and off the field?

Not sure why you think this makes him a fraud. He told the base what they wanted to hear...he sold a product and himself. He wasn't perfect nor a saint...like all of us. That doesn't mean he wasn't a great man.
Put the shovel down and quit digging. You're just looking more and more like a clown
 
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KingLando

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I'm guessing you got the shitt kicked out of you a lot growing up
Actually no--not ever honestly
Out of curiosity what part bothered you...
Were the stats I provided regarding Osborne or Saban false? Did Joe not survive a lot of down seasons?
Was Joe not highly intelligent? Did Joe not plan ahead in all aspects of life and football?
Do great coaches not comprehend the weight of expectations?
What is wrong? Just because you believed something for 60 years (or your entire life) and don't like someone pointing out the flaws with your logic?
 
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Actually no--not ever honestly
Out of curiosity what part bothered you...
Were the stats I provided regarding Osborne or Saban false? Did Joe not survive a lot of down seasons?
Was Joe not highly intelligent? Did Joe not plan ahead in all aspects of life and football?
Do great coaches not comprehend the weight of expectations?
What is wrong? Just because you believed something for 60 years (or your entire life) and don't like someone pointing out the flaws with your logic?
Whatever makes you happy. If you can't see the fact your getting gang tackled this morning I can't help you. But keep on getting on in your lonely world
 

KingLando

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Whatever makes you happy. If you can't see the fact your getting gang tackled this morning I can't help you. But keep on getting on in your lonely world
You're refusal to answer the question proves my point
The "group mentality is right" logic is just sad--you can do better than that. I'd hope
Imagine having an opinion because it's what most think--not know--but think
 

olelion

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You're refusal to answer the question proves my point
The "group mentality is right" logic is just sad--you can do better than that. I'd hope
Imagine having an opinion because it's what most think--not know--but think
Your narcissistic tendencies are in overdrive today
 
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KingLando

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Your narcissistic tendencies are in overdrive today
I always love when there's an argument how certain people on this board get so flustered they try to attack instead of discussing the topic
There's nothing narcissistic about thinking "group think" is problematic or dealing with what is as opposed to the nostalgia of how we want to remember something
Just say that you choose to believe the Grant Experiment was real--that's cool--it wasn't but you're entitled to believe in it.
 

Chumboshifko1

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I always love when there's an argument how certain people on this board get so flustered they try to attack instead of discussing the topic
There's nothing narcissistic about thinking "group think" is problematic or dealing with what is as opposed to the nostalgia of how we want to remember something
Just say that you choose to believe the Grant Experiment was real--that's cool--it wasn't but you're entitled to believe in it.

What's to discuss when you throw out Bull 💩? It's all you're good for.
 
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PSUForever

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I always love when there's an argument how certain people on this board get so flustered they try to attack instead of discussing the topic
There's nothing narcissistic about thinking "group think" is problematic or dealing with what is as opposed to the nostalgia of how we want to remember something
Just say that you choose to believe the Grant Experiment was real--that's cool--it wasn't but you're entitled to believe in it.
What are your facts that the Grand Experiment never existed? And if your answer is because there were football players who were admitted to the school who otherwise would not have been admitted or were not good students then, wrong, try again. We already know that.
 

KingLando

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What are your facts that the Grand Experiment never existed? And if your answer is because there were football players who were admitted to the school who otherwise would not have been admitted or were not good students then, wrong, try again. We already know that.
Huh? If we already know that...
The Grand Experiment, as I've stated, wasn't real--it was what Paterno used to sell families on sending their kids here and the fans to ensure expectations stayed reasonable. It was brilliant but we weren't truly different--we just believed we were.
This isn't a military academy or Harvard-it was always about football
 

PSUForever

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Huh? If we already know that...
The Grand Experiment, as I've stated, wasn't real--it was what Paterno used to sell families on sending their kids here and the fans to ensure expectations stayed reasonable. It was brilliant but we weren't truly different--we just believed we were.
This isn't a military academy or Harvard-it was always about football
You can believe what you want but you have no facts.
 

BVSt.Paul

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The '1969 Orange Bowl against Missouri was the first PSU game I saw. The Eagles sucked
and I was looking for something else. In Philly channel 6 I believe was replaying Penn Quaker games on
sundays and i thought that was fun. Then I stumbled across the Orange bowl on New Years Night and I was hooked
on college football. I was 10.
That was the first Penn State game I ever saw in person. I was also 10. My parents and I were vacationing in Miami Beach and my dad got tix to the game. I remember it rained but we were under cover. I wish I had photos of that night. It was so cool….The only other time I was at Orange Bowl Stadium was the late score by Chaffie Fields game. It also rained and I got wet. Didn’t mind a bit.
 

JWB389

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Honestly. Why do you believe that?
The glory days never return...they end up existing only in nostalgia where we pretend we were happier then....
I think it will in some form. The system as it currently exists is unsustainable for all but about 10-15 schools. Like I said, probably not in my lifetime. Sports will keep evolving. They’ll eventually come back around to the student athlete.
 
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KingLando

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I think it will in some form. The system as it currently exists is unsustainable for all but about 10-15 schools. Like I said, probably not in my lifetime. Sports will keep evolving. They’ll eventually come back around to the student athlete.
Okay--so I could see a Super League with like 40 teams and the rest going back. You could sell me on that but not Penn State ever going back.
 
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