16 former Michigan hockey players sue UM for sexualized abuse

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KingLando

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I read the suit earlier today--it sounds like this was slightly beyond normal hazing in the 80s and 90s. Upperclassmen were conducting it--the claim is the staff knew/supported it which--they have to prove that.
 

KingLando

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I'm guessing ESPN won't be having 24/7 coverage of this. There isn't a nationally known coach they can try to pin it all on.
It's because "the general public" doesn't care about 22-18 year old guys hazing each other vs an old man violating young boys.
You get one is far worse, right?
 

KingLando

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You know I was referring to Joe, right?? The guy ESPN was talking about more than they were talking about Sandusky. Right??
Right because Joe unknowingly employed a pedophile
It's completely a different situation--again, you get that, right?
You can be angry about how ESPN handled it (that's just) without trying to pretend these situations are remotely similar.
 

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Right because Joe unknowingly employed a pedophile
It's completely a different situation--again, you get that, right?
You can be angry about how ESPN handled it (that's just) without trying to pretend these situations are remotely similar.
First, point out where I said the situations were similar. Second, it was sexual abuse which was allegedly known about and openly condoned by UM staff. That wasn't the case at PSU. Institutionally condoned sexual abuse. You get that's a problem, right??

And spare me that "it was hazing" BS. It's still sexual abuse, right?
 

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First, point out where I said the situations were similar. Second, it was sexual abuse which was allegedly known about and openly condoned by UM staff. That wasn't the case at PSU. Institutionally condoned sexual abuse. You get that's a problem, right??

And spare me that "it was hazing" BS. It's still sexual abuse, right?
Why did you bring it up if you're not comparing it?
Did you read the suit? It states "hazing" repeatedly. Over and over and over again
You're saying Paterno didn't know? He did--he handled it correctly but he knew--as did other leaders
You're so angry about how ESPN handled Sandusky (primarily due to the incompetence of the Penn State leaders) that your first thought was being petty.
Giving you one more opportunity to realize how far off base you were...
You want to compare an adult male raping minor children to hazing acts that crossed a line between 18-22 year olds?
You also think the general public would care enough for ESPN to do so?
Just giving you the change to rethink your flawed stance here
 

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Why did you bring it up if you're not comparing it?
Did you read the suit? It states "hazing" repeatedly. Over and over and over again
You're saying Paterno didn't know? He did--he handled it correctly but he knew--as did other leaders
You're so angry about how ESPN handled Sandusky (primarily due to the incompetence of the Penn State leaders) that your first thought was being petty.
Giving you one more opportunity to realize how far off base you were...
You want to compare an adult male raping minor children to hazing acts that crossed a line between 18-22 year olds?
You also think the general public would care enough for ESPN to do so?
Just giving you the change to rethink your flawed stance here
No man, it's just your flawed way of reading what I posted. I didn't write what you thought I should have written so it's "there's no comparison!!" I apologize for triggering you and I feel bad for engaging. Have a good night.
 

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No man, it's just your flawed way of reading what I posted. I didn't write what you thought I should have written so it's "there's no comparison!!" I apologize for triggering you and I feel bad for engaging. Have a good night.
Wasn't triggered at all. You said "I'm guessing ESPN won't be having 24/7 coverage of this. There isn't a nationally known coach they can try to pin it all on." which is an emotional response to what happened to Joe instead of the topic at hand.
 

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Michigan responds: "The former studebt athletes describe behavior at the hands of fellow teammates. ... The university denies that it is any way liable or responsible for the claims alleged."



Imagine that a university actually pushing back on accusations... getting out in front of things.... crisis management....
 

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I know that peer pressure often is tough to overcome, but I always wonder why people, especially ones who presumably are physically able to defend themselves if they have to like college age hockey players, would subject themselves to hazing without putting up a fight, and also why these stories often are exposed decades after the alleged events.
 
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It's because "the general public" doesn't care about 22-18 year old guys hazing each other vs an old man violating young boys.
You get one is far worse, right?
Well I did not read the lawsuit but your "slightly beyond normal hazing description is a long way from "akin to torture.", so i'll hold off until we hear more.
 

Roswelllion

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Right because Joe unknowingly employed a pedophile
It's completely a different situation--again, you get that, right?
You can be angry about how ESPN handled it (that's just) without trying to pretend these situations are remotely similar.
What are the totality of the numerous sexual improprieties against Michigan folks by now.
 

Roswelllion

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Why did you bring it up if you're not comparing it?
Did you read the suit? It states "hazing" repeatedly. Over and over and over again
You're saying Paterno didn't know? He did--he handled it correctly but he knew--as did other leaders
You're so angry about how ESPN handled Sandusky (primarily due to the incompetence of the Penn State leaders) that your first thought was being petty.
Giving you one more opportunity to realize how far off base you were...
You want to compare an adult male raping minor children to hazing acts that crossed a line between 18-22 year olds?
You also think the general public would care enough for ESPN to do so?
Just giving you the change to rethink your flawed stance here
Is slapping towels a lot like hazing.
 

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Well I did not read the lawsuit but your "slightly beyond normal hazing description is a long way from "akin to torture.", so i'll hold off until we hear more.
Not to mention having objects literally forced into their a$$holes. Does that legally qualify as anal rape?
 
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Roswelllion

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Wasn't triggered at all. You said "I'm guessing ESPN won't be having 24/7 coverage of this. There isn't a nationally known coach they can try to pin it all on." which is an emotional response to what happened to Joe instead of the topic at hand.
I'll play Lando.
You keep referring to the term hazing. I googled this and saw torture and sexualized hazing just as often. Detroit Free Press used the term graphic and shocking. Somewhere I read blowtorch to the genitals. I think the OP was refering to the level of coverage for the Penn State scandal to the coverage UM gets. I also googled UM has paid $490 million in settlements for the Robert Anderson complaints. [ and I believe I read even Bo's son said has said Bo knew] You're very comments minimizing theses issues helps make the point that the national coverage an institution gets dramatically impacts the lasting impression a University has.
 
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