Here's a link to one article summarizing the story:
MAC has filed an appeal with the NCAA and CFP on behalf of WMU that WMU should be declared winner as b1g failed to follow established NCAA Replay Prot
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The B1G front office must be cringing. The last thing they want if for anyone to be asking questions about the competency of league officiating. Even though I doubt the NCAA will do anything, it would be funny if the B1G was forced to answer questions about decades of blown calls in critical moments.
College football off to great start. With this, LSU crap, power outages and games going 4 hours NFL can’t get here fast enough
Now I am confused over this whole mess. In this article it says the B10 statement says:
"A side-by-side view of the play and the game clock, using a direct shot of the game clock in the stadium, was used to determine the final ruling."
If that is the case then they didn't use the secret clock. But the MAC is saying they did (thus violating protocol) which I think they had to because otherwise the video evidence shows the game clock at zero prior to the ball being touched.
I would love for this decision on who won to be overturned and WMU is awarded the win but I highly doubt it. After all, this is MeatCheatAgain we are talking about. The most entitled program in the history of the sport along with Notre Dump. They get every break possible and I just see this sad, corrupt incident as another item to put on that long, pathetically ridiculous list.
"A side-by-side view of the play and the game clock, using a direct shot of the game clock in the stadium, was used to determine the final ruling."
If that is the case then they didn't use the secret clock. But the MAC is saying they did (thus violating protocol) which I think they had to because otherwise the video evidence shows the game clock at zero prior to the ball being touched.
I would love for this decision on who won to be overturned and WMU is awarded the win but I highly doubt it. After all, this is MeatCheatAgain we are talking about. The most entitled program in the history of the sport along with Notre Dump. They get every break possible and I just see this sad, corrupt incident as another item to put on that long, pathetically ridiculous list.
Don’t go to the NCAA, go straight to the court room. That’s where the NCAA takes its losses.
I like both college football and the nfl a lot, but let’s not pretend that the NFL is perfect and clean. It’s a league with a history of domestic violence issues, owners and players receiving illegal happy ending massages, other sexual misconduct, and too much lower quality boring football.
None of the items you mentioned about the NFL, while true, have nothing to do with the integrity of the game.
If we eliminated Lane Kiffin and the entirety of UM from college football, most of the integrity issues are solved. But seriously, you make a good point. The silver lining is that perhaps the rest of the nation now fully understands what we have experienced in this dreadful conference that will do whatever it takes to protect the big2.
I’ve been involved in comparable situations in sports (not in college sports). I’d rather not go into the specifics about them. That said, on a general basis, the part of your post that I placed in bold has never been factored into the situations I have experience with. While one team, or one group, may bring in prior situations as part of their complaint or filing, the boards/committees I’ve been a part of have focused exclusively on the specifics of the incident under question, and have not spent any time factoring in any prior issues or situations.
I had a question about this: since when is it when the ball is touched? The WM player clearly is off the ground when he touches the ball. If he had any sort of possession (may have come down out of bounds) would the clock end there or when his foot touches down? Seems to me that all other rulings take place once the person hits the ground, not while still in the air. So, what's the difference here, other than 'Michigan men' and their constant excuses?
I think it all comes down to this was an isolated incident because UM has never had an extra second or two added back to the clock at the end of a game to give them a second chance to win the game. It was just a “misunderstanding” in the heat of the moment. Just like a FG can be kicked 4 seconds after the play clock hit zero or a caught bounce pass counts as a reception. It’s called situational rules adjustment. ;-)
Meh. Still prefer CFB to NFL. As much as the off the field stuff is extremely frustrating the on the field stuff is so much more appealing (to me). The clock issue is of course maddening, the power issue is unfortunately something that happens (did it not happen in a Super Bowl?). But, would still watch rather watch Ivy League games vs the NFL games.
CFB>>>>>>NFL
Which raises the question about what the call would have been if the WMU played had not caught the ball, but instead deflected it to a Michigan player for a TD. Reviewed and overturned because the play should have been whistled dead as soon as the WMU guy touched it?
That's always been the rule. Since the player is out of bounds and hasn't reestablished himself in bounds, the ball is dead the moment he touches him. Just like if he deflected it and someone else caught it, still an incomplete pass because the ball is dead.
Yeah but the conference can come out almost a year later right before the next season begins and admit that the officials blew both of those calls in the OSU game and that “fixes” everything right?
When he jumped to go after the ball, his left foot was out of bounds.
Because he had established himself out of bounds when he touched the ball. It's like the ball hitting a goal post, player on the sideline, etc...the ball is immediately dead. It doesn't matter if the player had a toe out and is right along the boundry when he jumped or was 15 yards out when he jumped...they are treated the same and it kills the play.
NCAA issued a memo on Monday reiterating and clarifying the "Standard Protocol" for Replay Reviews involving game clock timing relative to the play. According to the NCAA's clarified "Standard Protocol" memo the b1g Officiating Office screwed up and should have used the Game Clock displayed on the Broadcast when there is a slight discrepancy to Replay embedded clock that nobody else can see. IOW, had the b1g Replay Office used the NCAA Standard Protocol (which they just reissued), WMU would have been declared the winner as the clock embedded in the Broadcast should have been used. Here is a HOTLINK TO ARTICLE summarizing.
Well, I'm sure someone in Vegas or wherever made plenty on this mess. It's always fans and players who lose.
I wouldn't be so sure about that...a huge moneyline favorite isn't really the path to striking it rich.
I haven’t seen this posted anywhere else, apparently the poll voters are considering the game as a loss for Michigan. They dropped completely out of the AP poll and 24th in the coaches poll.
I don't know if it will be considered just like a loss but damage has been done and they should lose any close battles for a spot in the CFP. So if they have 2 losses including a win vs WMU and 5 other 2 loss teams are battling for two spots then they should be at the end of the pecking order. They may get bumped for a 3 loss team even if they have two losses if the 3 loss team has good losses.
At the end of the day I want to see this cheating program get penalized for this ridiculously lucky and unfair "win".
Wow, it shouldn’t bother me, but it does. I don’t care what they did versus Oklahoma, they lost to Western Michigan. This corrupt Conference will do everything it can to protect the big2. Too bad the NCAA doesn’t have the ability to change the outcome.
The NCAA? LOL
Pretty much what every reasonable person knew:
1) WMU got screwed
2) The screw job was imminently correctable (ie, WMU declared the winner)
3) The NCAA issued some worthless gobbledigook, and the screw job remains in place.
And it wouldn't have even mattered.
Michigan will make or not make the "playoffs" regardless of whether that game goes in the books as a WMU win or a Michigan win. Everyone knows what happened - and its not like the "playoff" selections are tied to any particular W/L record.
So it was EASY and non-impactful (except to the WMU kids and staff who got screwed), but the NCAA still maintains their robust record of never being able to do the simple and right thing. SSDD.
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Pretty much what every reasonable person knew:
1) WMU got screwed
2) The screw job was imminently correctable (ie, WMU declared the winner)
3) The NCAA issued some worthless gobbledigook, and the screw job remains in place.
And it wouldn't have even mattered.
Michigan will make or not make the "playoffs" regardless of whether that game goes in the books as a WMU win or a Michigan win. Everyone knows what happened - and its not like the "playoff" selections are tied to any particular W/L record.
So it was EASY and non-impactful (except to the WMU kids and staff who got screwed), but the NCAA still maintains their robust record of never being able to do the simple and right thing. SSDD.
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I think you guys are reading too much into this, as well as confusing things a bit.
It is acknowledged that the instant replay protocols were not properly followed. This is magnified by the improper procedure taking place at the very end of the game, and the outcome of the game would have been different if the correct protocol was followed.
But the incorrect following of protocols is really not any different than a ref missing a penalty that should have been called, on a play that resulted in a score. Or a ref incorrectly ruling a ball was a catch when it had hit the turf, or vice-versa, on the last drive of a game (especially on 4th down).
I'm not involved in college football officiating or league administration, or the same things at the high school level. However, I am involved in those things for a few other sports. And in each of these sports, there are either competition rules, or league rules, or state rules, etc. that specify that the decisions of the officials on the field are final. I know of situations where a rule was improperly applied at the end of the game that decided which team advanced to the state playoffs, and an appeal was made, and the governing body in so many words said we're sorry about what happened to you, and a mistake was made, but the decision made on the field by the official(s) is final, and can't be overturned, or re-played.
I'm certainly not a fan of Michigan. And for once, I would like to see them treated properly by officials, or the B1G, or be properly punished for illegal actions. But I fully expected that nothing would come of the appeal filed by the MAC, as I was pretty certain there was no mechanism to change the outcome after the game was played to completion.
What I find interesting is the narrative changed and makes the B10 conference look like a bunch of incompetent, lying, cheating, cover up artists, weasels.
First it was...."No, no, no, we have a secret clock held by the referees and that is the offical clock. And using that clock, there was 1 second left when the ball was touched so letting Michigan have another play was completely legitimate and within the rules."
Now it is.... "Well we screwed up and didn't follow the right protocol which INCORRECTLY gave Michigan the extra play." Nothing legitimate about it.
Now the question remains on why these idiot cheating refs completely screwed WMU? Because they can with no ramifications. Talk about corrupt and pathetic at the same time. They should never ref another game but will because the B10 needs them to screw another opponent at a crucial time when that team plays either MeatCHEATagain or OHowIHATE.
People make silly rules that sometimes make no sense. When the clock expires it should be over period whether the ball is in the air or whether any player is in or out of bounds.
It is a shame that Mo ent was taken away from the WMU Team and fans.
Michigan escaping with a tainted win woke them up before Oklahoma.
We will never know, but I believe if game ends line it is supposed to Michigan walks into Norman still in shock and gets rolled.
Instead of 0-2 or 1-1 at best, they are an undeserving 2-0.
Michigan escaping with a tainted win woke them up before Oklahoma.
We will never know, but I believe if game ends line it is supposed to Michigan walks into Norman still in shock and gets rolled.
Instead of 0-2 or 1-1 at best, they are an undeserving 2-0.
Massive difference between a call made in the moment in the field and in a video booth with infinite time to make the right decision. Massive difference. Replay is out in place specifically to correct those incorrect in the moment decisions. Here, it was used to overturn a proper call. To your last point, I think we all knew it wouldn’t be overturned. But it should have been.
I liked how the corrupt b1g a-holes and their sycophant, homer media tried to claim that the memo issued by the NCAA directly after the incident detailing the correct "Protocol" was a "new protocol" issued by the NCAA that did not exist prior. Complete ******** - the Release by the NCAA was merely to get extremely granular so it was clear that the proper Protocol was not used in the scUM-WMU game -- it wasn't new. Just more of the b1g hacks and their shills attempting to cover their tracks and obfuscating. I have a feeling that this is why the NCAA specifically stated, in no uncertain terms, in the appeal response that the correct protocol was not followed (i.e., the b1g's initial and subsequent responses are nothing but horsecrap and self-serving spin) and WMU got robbed by the b1g and it's corrupt officiating office.
I agree with you Tom, the only thing that bothers me with this is your examples are judgement calls on the field. This was not a judgement call. This was not knowing the rules and following them, or using replay to overturn calls when it was the correct call on the field. Do teams get a redo on the coin toss if it isn't tails? I get it sets a dangerous precedent going forward for outcomes of games, but teams forfeit wins after games for using illegal players, etc I don't like how this was very clear cut on the last play of the game, to me just doesn't sit right.
And I never expected the committee would admit there was (another) screw up that benefitted Michigan.
There are some differences, for sure. But I think you’re looking at it in the wrong framework. Whether on the field or in replay review, the officials are supposed to follow a procedure and implement certain rules. In that context, they are identical actions; they just happen at a different pace. Regardless of the speed of the action, the decisions are considered final (even if wrong) at the end of the contest, and there isn’t a procedure to change the result after the contest is considered completed.
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