FC/OT: Jon Stewart's 'The Weekly Show' really interesting and rage inducing this week....

ApexLion

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Our local Fry's (Kroger) just installed new digital price tags on every shelf and item in the store. This lets them dynamically price items. I'm not suggesting that they will raise prices on a whim, but they certainly could with the press of a button. If you haven't seen this yet, check out the tags at Wal-Mart.


It’s most likely based on time of day or based on check out traffic.
 

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Yes still that exact spot. That’s what I call government collusion. The government gives a contractor a big payday to build the road in the contractor. Make sure he continuously gives part of it back
Is that where they keep the porta potty that is actually a speed trap.
 

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I found Publix just getting ridiculous here in Florida. I feel like I spend $100 there and walk out with 3-4 items. I rarely go there anymore. I use The Boys market here in Delray Beach or Costco. Aldi is also a good option
Do you have a Doris' Market near you? I never buy meat at Publix unless it's ground beef or BOGO chicken breast.

Doris' is top notch.
 
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DaytonRickster

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That's an easy one to answer---it's state minimum pricing in PA. I am a milk wholesaler so when I sell to a restaurant or store the cheapest I can sell it for is $4.90/Gal
Wowzer. Here in SW Ohio, I consistently purchase a gallon of milk for $2.79 - $3.00 per gallon.
 

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"Damn smart" ... but is it ethical? Legal?

Do you want to charge different people different prices for their food, based on ... whatever criteria you find meaningful? ... one guy has a nice watch and shirt, his family should be 2x the normal price for pancakes? One guy has on a Michigan shirt, that guy should charge 3x the normal amount for his french toast? One guy is talking about donating to a political party you don't like, charge him 4x the normal amount for his coffee?

It's all the same principle.

Do you want to raise the price of toast for a customer who says they want eggs, because toast often goes with eggs?
they are doing it at ski slopes, dynamic pricing based on how many people at the slopes, more people higher prices.
 

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Do you have a Doris' Market near you? I never buy meat at Publix unless it's ground beef or BOGO chicken breast.

Doris' is top notch.
I think there is one in Boynton Beach. If not then up towards you in North Palm Beach. We do have Joseph's Market which is very good ... That is out on Atlantic Ave and Lyons out west. It's where Mark Wahlberg, the Huizengas and Steve Cohen who owns the Mets shop. It's out by their billionaires neighborhood.
 

MtNittany

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I think there is one in Boynton Beach. If not then up towards you in North Palm Beach. We do have Joseph's Market which is very good ... That is out on Atlantic Ave and Lyons out west. It's where Mark Wahlberg, the Huizengas and Steve Cohen who owns the Mets shop. It's out by their billionaires neighborhood.
Doris' isn't nearly as expensive as Joseph's or Carmine's. Also have good weekly specials. They sell wings for $1.99/lb. some weeks. Meanwhile the Thirsty Turtle is over $1.50/wing.
 
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What's going on at the Silver Ball? I have to go to Golf to drop off a set of irons to a friend in a few days, and was gonna stop by. I went to the website and it looks like construction.
 

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What's going on at the Silver Ball? I have to go to Golf to drop off a set of irons to a friend in a few days, and was gonna stop by. I went to the website and it looks like construction.
They are expanding the 2nd floor for more games and pool tables etc. No admission fee and the bar is still open. 1st floor is still open
 
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It’s most likely based on time of day or based on check out traffic.
Sometimes the answer is the most obvious one: it’s cheaper than going around and manually swapping tags, and it keeps prices in sync with checkout.

Any business making pricing totally dynamic has to be very careful that practices can pass scrutiny of anti-discrimination laws.
 

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they are doing it at ski slopes, dynamic pricing based on how many people at the slopes, more people higher prices.

That's generalized dynamic pricing ... busy time of day, they figure they can raise prices because demand is high.

What they're talking about happening is individualized ... targeted dynamic pricing. So the equivalent might be that they track that you've been to the slopes X amount of times more than the typical person, so they're going to charge you, in particular, twice the rate. Or, they see that you have expensive skis, therefore, you can "afford" to pay more, so they charge you more.
 

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Yea but you’re talking cents if that is true compared to dollars.
Giant milk here is 5.80. Sc it is 2.80. How is that possible. That is just one item. How is that possible. 3.00 more on an item that is only 2.80. That is what you should be checking out.

you're showing that you haven't been a resident in PA in some time.

You ask, "how is that possible?"

The Pennsylvania Milk Marketing Board is the answer to your question.

 

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That is damn smart by Walmart etc using algorithm to figure out what you buy with what.
cereal and milk,peanut butter and jelly, etc.

I do find it funny that they think that Walmart gouges people.

went to giant here in sc and a gallon of milk is 3 dollars more than milk in north Myrtle,sc.

Gas is one dollar more a gallon than South Carolina.

so what is going on in pa and the northeast with prices is crazy.
Walmart is now very tech savvy. Have been since around the pandemic. The previous CEO set that as a strategic priority and their new CEO is very tech savvy. With all that said they still are obsessed with having low prices so you aren't going to find many retailers with better pricing sans Dollar General or probably Aldi.
 

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On a lighter note Giant Eagle having another.95 cent anniversary sale starting 9-24. Sugardale bacon, Gatorade and other items
Many People in western Pa. Do Swear by their Sugrdale bacon From Northern Ohio. It is a tasty bacon. Tgar buys Wegman’s bacon from Canada as his go too, but will reach for a pack of Sugardale when back in the Burgh in a pinch.

Wegman’s are coming to The Greater Pittsburgh area finally with one planned for the South Hills.
 
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you're showing that you haven't been a resident in PA in some time.

You ask, "how is that possible?"

The Pennsylvania Milk Marketing Board is the answer to your question.

Remember Cumberland Farms trying to fight that in the early 1970's? They used plastic bags of milk to get around some of the pricing rules and gave you a free holder for them.
 

DaytonRickster

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Remember Cumberland Farms trying to fight that in the early 1970's? They used plastic bags of milk to get around some of the pricing rules and gave you a free holder for them.
Wow, Cumberland Farms. Now there is a name from the wayback machine. Do they still exist?
 

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Our local Fry's (Kroger) just installed new digital price tags on every shelf and item in the store. This lets them dynamically price items. I'm not suggesting that they will raise prices on a whim, but they certainly could with the press of a button. If you haven't seen this yet, check out the tags at Wal-Mart.


this is just smart. It eliminates the need for corporate to trickle down price changes to individual stores who then need to give it to an employee to manually make the change. It's better for everyone because prices also go down so you can now realize that benefit in real time.
 

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I know JS is a lightning rod for some, but economics are economics. His guest this week details how AI is helping to exacerbate the current cost of living crisis with real time surveillance pricing and enabling collusion amongst companies to keep costs of everything from French fries to gas to rent as high as possible. Worse is when she gets into the patents being filed by companies like Wal-Mart, which, for example, filed a patent for scan card technology (essentially grocery shopping where you scan items into your cart and pay for everything without having to go to self check out or any check out....) that prices items based on what you are purchasing; example used in the patent claim was that if you scanned in a can of tuna fish, it is highly likely that you will go for mayonnaise as well, and the price for mayo will increase based on this algorithm. You're not being paranoid, everyone is out to rip you off. Fun times.


Big deal. It's just the latest tech upgrade. I can just as easily use AI to upload my shopping list and have it find me the cheapest place to shop, find me the lowest nearby gas price, etc.
 

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"Damn smart" ... but is it ethical? Legal?

Do you want to charge different people different prices for their food, based on ... whatever criteria you find meaningful? ... one guy has a nice watch and shirt, his family should be 2x the normal price for pancakes? One guy has on a Michigan shirt, that guy should charge 3x the normal amount for his french toast? One guy is talking about donating to a political party you don't like, charge him 4x the normal amount for his coffee?

It's all the same principle.

Do you want to raise the price of toast for a customer who says they want eggs, because toast often goes with eggs?
They already do that for gas - if you notice the price of gas at stations with zip codes in more affluent areas is higher.
 
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Remember Cumberland Farms trying to fight that in the early 1970's? They used plastic bags of milk to get around some of the pricing rules and gave you a free holder for them.

a man with a beard says now that 's a name i ve not heard in a long time


Now that you have jogged my memory, I do remember the Cumberland Farms milk in a bag. We hated the concept as kids, but got used to it over time. I didn't recall that they had tried to fight the Milk Marketing Board's pricing rules. Good stuff.
 

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They already do that for gas - if you notice the price of gas at stations with zip codes in more affluent areas is higher.

Again, this is about individualized price changes. They've actually had higher/lower gas prices in different areas, for many different reasons, since gas was sold ... but this is more about you pulling up in a new Lexus and being charged $4/gallon, and the guy behind you in his old Chevy being charged $3/gallon, or whatever decision parameters they've set up.
 

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Love Aldi. Their quality has greatly improved over he years.
It has indeed, but there are still some areas where they seem to struggle. Fresh veggies are still not their strong suit, at least in my area. The next edible batch of broccoli I get from them will be the first.

Fruit is fine though.
 
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this is just smart. It eliminates the need for corporate to trickle down price changes to individual stores who then need to give it to an employee to manually make the change. It's better for everyone because prices also go down so you can now realize that benefit in real time.
I agree. Grocery stores continue to operate on razor-thin margins, and it is all about volume. The consolidation of grocers shows that. They need this technology to keep operating at scale. The introduction of loyalty programs and digital coupons allows them to segment and target different sets of customers. Some will continue to pay $2.49 for a box of pasta, but if you use your loyalty number, you'll pay $1.99. If they know you're price-conscious, they'll give you a digital coupon to pay $1.49. All of that, and yet most operate at 2-4% net margins after blended prices.
 
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