Can’t be much worse in terms of picks. When does this Dylan experiment end?
Is Surace the future? If so, let him play.
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I would expect a new coach to bring in his own QB and both of this guys will be gone so it really doesn’t matter.
Correct. And regardless of all else, in the NIL era you always play who gives you the best chance to win. We rolled with a QB who couldn’t consistently grip the football over Surace. What does that tell you about what AJ must be showing in practice? That sounds harsh but it’s the truth.
Which begs the question, outside of the WR room, what players currently on the roster would the new coach want to keep ?
Not so sure. Raymond's lack of breakaway speed isn't ideal so might be a money and system choice. Id rather a top shelf qb and recievers vs rb. Rb is easier to fill imho
The QB if the future will be who the next HC recruits,
This year it doesn't really matter if it's Dylan or AJ, both (so far) leave a lot to be desired and so far in his 3rd year Surace hasn't shown he has what it takes to be looked on as a QB with a good future ..
At best AJ is a placeholder if he starts next year , because Greg is back , while Lonergan is a rent a wreck that will be gone after this season mercifully ends.
This year it doesn't really matter if it's Dylan or AJ, both (so far) leave a lot to be desired and so far in his 3rd year Surace hasn't shown he has what it takes to be looked on as a QB with a good future ..
At best AJ is a placeholder if he starts next year , because Greg is back , while Lonergan is a rent a wreck that will be gone after this season mercifully ends.
Raymond is spectacular and unstoppable on 4th and 1 direct snaps.
Irreplaceable via the portal.
Knocking Raymond says quite a lot anout ones football acumen and ability to be taken seriously.
I wouldn't knock his ability but it doesn't matter because he won't be here next year.
Would Ashenfelter throw 2+ INTs every game? It’s worth a shot until proven otherwise. Otherwise the ball is not the program!
Coaches think it is.
I just think the old story is just true - when you have a QB battle it’s Becasue you don’t have one that stands out and that has always been the case under GS and here we go again. Both QBs are likely not good enough
It is so unfortunate. Once again failed to address a key issue that would be the difference in potential 500 season and a bowl game. Even with this D .. all it appears we needed was a quality QB..not even a stud.
Last year it was a quality DC, not two pieces of nadda.
Dylan is the guy because GS is on life support and he has to go with who might get us the win. Somehow they have got to fix these "passes to the other guys" to quote B1G Live team. Take that away and even with his terrible accuracy he can win games.
Yup - this. Greg knows he has no prayer of returning if he doesn’t get at least 5 wins and he might need 6. That’s why it’s telling that Lonergan played vs USC despite clearly not being close to 100% (if you can’t consistently grip the football that’s obviously an issue). At this point, it’s hard to imagine AJ was ever really close in the QB race because if that was true, AJ would clearly be the choice with Dylan not at full strength.
I don’t think either of them, or Greg, will be back. But in the unlikely event that Greg gets the 5-6 wins he’d need to have even a prayer of returning, the case for Lonergan returning (he’ll have one more year now) would be better since he’d probably be the guy to lead the flux of late wins (which as I said is unlikely in the first place).
It didn’t seem like the coaching staff had any confidence in AJ whatsoever from the play calling in the BC game. Unless Lonergan gets hurt again, he’s unlikely to get much run the rest of the way IMO.
Why switch to a worse quarterback?
Didnt Surace throw 4 INT v BC? Do you really think he is better?
There is no chance he’s better. You’d have to be blind to conclude that. And again, Lonergan played the last game hurt.
UMass might suck but the reason Lonergan was so bad in that game is we averaged like 1 YPC on the ground. No QB is going to look good in that situation. Netting 30 rush yards total against UMass was a fire worthy event in its own right no doubt. But Lonergan didn’t look terrible until it was clear we couldn’t run the ball. I’m not saying he’s great - but he’s likely not as bad as some are making him out to be.
No chance he’s retained with 5/6 wins with the stench of UMass still there & losing to BC.
I legitimately think he would need to win 7/8 games at this point to stay on and that’s not really looking possible without some miracles.
Tells us you didn’t watch the BC game and see how bad the performance was against a pretty bad defense.
He throws balls into coverage thinking he can thread the needle like Evan Simon. And we all know how that went.
And with Needham getting destroyed as LT. Also the Umass game may look different in a few weeks time -remains to be seen. The talking head Portnoy types aside but no serious people give him any mind.
Not true. If he somehow goes 5-4 the rest of the way every other word out of his mouth will be ‘improvement’ and he will hang on for another year. Then in 2027 The Grifter will recycle prior excuses, and so on.
I don't see anyone knocking him, I see a valid assessment. You don't sound smart or knowledgable and one driven by emotion.
He's not,
told you all 2yrs ago, to a litany of ridicule, he'd never start here
People love him due to mods, being nj bred, and the other guy but you can't watch him in the closed practices and think he's anything special. My takeaway was that he'd be a career back up at this level
It kind of reminded me about the hype about the kid from Kentucky two QB's ago...
Rumor is Schiano loved him also, which shows how the game has passed him by.
Surace makes the mistakes that first year starter makes. Longeran makes mistakes that an experienced QB shouldn't make.
Come on. Stop. Surace looked basically unplayable. It had nothing to do with experience. His footwork is not good at all and he routinely throws off his back foot. That has nothing to with experience.
This is not to remotely suggest that Lonergan is “good” but he is miles and miles better than AJ right now. Enough so to get the nod despite significant limitations due to injury.
As a recruit, sure. But even Schiano knew he wasn’t good enough to start at RU seeing how he didn’t grt the role.
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