It should be banned altogether. If the QB is running with the ball he should be treated no differently than any other ball carrier. It causes far more devastating injuries to both QBs and defenders.
The QB Slide
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I’m for the QB slide but I acknowledge that it can be problematic, most especially for late sliders. And Pritchett’s fake slide didn’t help things either.
Kenny Pickett kind of ruined the quarterback slide for me. That was some serious bush league shitt
The issue is the late slide.that’s what causes all the problems.
Exactly. All over social media they’re playing the slow motion clip, football isn’t played at one quarter speed. What is the defender supposed to do? Give him a hug and big spoon him to the ground? I have a problem with the celebration afterwards that’s a penalty but not the hit that’s football it’s violent. Pelini‘s defenders would get flagged for targeting all the time for these types of hits they’re not penalties in my opinion.
Be like Colandrea, Sean Callahan said he's only slid three times in his entire career
How do you enforce that? Or better yet make that distinction? My argument is that the slide is far more dangerous than a routine tackle altogether. Take for example a far less serious injury like Caleb Williams hamstring strain. If he continued to run and be tackled normally instead of sliding down he wouldn’t have put himself in position to hyperextend his hamstring. It’s the same way when a QB slides and gets knocked unconscious. If he didn’t slide and expose his head and neck area he wouldn’t have gotten KO’d.
What I am arguing is actually trying to protect the QB.
I am not disagreeing with you but there are plenty of situations where the qb slides and thy are no issues.
The slide involves a player making themselves more submissive and vulnerable on purpose and expecting mercy. If they get mercy for their submissiveness and vulnerability 95% of the time, does that make it a good strategy? 5% of the time showing no mercy to a QB for a small penalty relative to the advantage of knocking out the QB of the other team means you now have the possibility of devastating and life threatening injuries which is sometimes rational whereas before it was only routine football injuries.
It is a short sighted rule with unintended consequences and it has made the game safer for many plays but infinitely less safe on a small minority of plays. The trade off needs to be evaluated not based on the intention of the rule but on what actually happens as a result of it.
Bottomline is as the rule currently exists, it is the QB who is making the decision and who is responsible for protecting themselves at all times, so at some level it is his fault for trusting the rules and penalties are enough to constrain behavior, when evidence clearly shows they are not.
It needs to go similar to the pros in the 1970’s and 80’s it was called in the grasp and the play was called dead
My thoughts exactly. I’m pro QB and I want all of them to be safe within reason. These rules are not actually protecting QBs.
I have the same opinion as with targeting. The defense doesn't have a right to hurt a defenseless player just because they got beat. When safeties or lbs hit a player in the open field it is because somebody is out of position or was beaten on the play, they shouldn't be able to hurt that player in order to make up for it. Every player can slide, it isn't just qbs and it should be a part of the game to protect players. There is quite a large step back for a slide as well, often 3-5 yards. I feel a bit differently behind the line of scrimmage. I don't think there should be targeting or sliding allowed at all behind the line of scrimmage. If the defense can get to a ball carrier for a negative play, all things should be legal and the offensive player has a responsibility to protect themselves.
I don't necessarily buy that the game is made less safe by the rule. There are qbs who can barely speak today because of brain damage from playing in the 80s and 90s. Any running qb would need to get to the ground somehow, head first, feet first, roll up in a ball...a missile of a safety with ill intentions is going to hit them in the head. The problem that defenders have all of the advantages when a qb scrambles. A scramble will often be against zone coverage, there will be multiple unblocked defenders converging on the qb, and there is no way to block them per the rules...and they are coming full speed. Really in college...touching the qb should be a penalty since the moment they are down, they are down. A fake slide gets a 15 yard penalty and the qb is kicked out.
Colandrea is a tough SOB but he sure takes his chances on some of those scrambles. I like seeing a QB run but not ending up like knocked around like a pinball in a pinball machine.
The thing is a qb like AC has run all his life he knows when he needs to duck out of bounds or when to go for it . Not saying he won’t take an unnecessary hit but he will survive better than a Dylan R that has never taken a true hit his entire playing career .
I cannot disagree with that. I remember Dylan "taking off" (sorta) on a QB scramble two years ago. He was hesitant, ran about 3/4 speed at best, and slid as soon as a defender was within 15 yards of him. They always say the quickest way to injury is to play half speed.
QBs are NOT treated differently. Any ball carrier, playing any position, may give himself up by sliding feet first.
It is, I assume, because taking a knee, the other method of giving oneself up, is impossible if you are running.
As regards QBs specificity, with college teams now paying top dollar for top QBs, college rosters will more closely resemble NFL rosters in composition. Due to limited funds and salary caps, on most teams the drop off between the starting QB and backups will only grow. Protecting a team’s starting QB increasingly means protecting the efforts all players, coaches and staff invest for months to win games. A lot of that goes down the drain when the starter goes out.
As regards Moore specifically, the slide was timely, and the hit was completely avoidable and unnecessary. To its benefit, Oregon has enough money to pay for a backup QB with experience and an elite arm. But that’s the rare exception not the rule.
It sure seems like there’s a lot of serious hits on the late slides. Maybe even more than before sliding was a thing.
I would just adjust it so that there's more leeway if a defender hits them. Vs slamming into them when they've been on the ground for while.
Athletes keep getting bigger and faster. They are putting a lot of power and torque out and it’s hard to slow that down on a dime. Most of the time I don’t believe the tackles are dirty just poor timing and misjudgment by the defender. But that’s the problem all the responsibility is put on the defender with virtually none for the QB. The issue is also compounded by artificial turf as well as the move away from padded physical practices in both the NFL and College. If you don’t condition your soft tissue muscles in practice it could lead to injuries down the road.
QBs are treated differently when it comes to how penalties are dished out. It’s far less common for another position player to slide but unless it direct helmet to helmet contact they rarely call it. My argument is that these slides are far more dangerous than routine tackles. QBs are far more likely to be injured during these slides or blindside sacks.
QBs are definitely treated differently and I am not taking about the slide Rule .you can tackle RB go to the ground on top of him and that’s not a penalty. You do the same to A QB it’s a flag 100 percent. No other position Player is going to slide. You occasionally see a DB intercept a pass to win the game and he will just go down and that’s giving himself up. As for the slide stuff we are talking about. The issue is qbs slide extremely late and sometimes the contact is unavoidable IMO. Or they pull a Kenny Pickett and fk slide. I agree on Donta Moore he seemed to slide early enough where the defender should at least at time to go over the top with minimal contact.
I think I heard fall camp/spring camp is going to allow more of that this next year.
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