Honest Question about Jordan Williams

UNIHawk

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So VV denied med shirt and is done. Short a guy now that might have been able to use this year. Good luck and thanks for the effort VV.
How did Doucet get a 7th year after wrestling one match 2nd semester and could have wrestled more but Voinovich gets a Med RS rejected after having an old ACL injury surgically repaired and missed the ENTIRE season. I'm not the paranoid type but after the gambling suspensions and now this???
 

Wrestleknownothing

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How did Doucet get a 7th year after wrestling one match 2nd semester and could have wrestled more but Voinovich gets a Med RS rejected after having an old ACL injury surgically repaired and missed the ENTIRE season. I'm not the paranoid type but after the gambling suspensions and now this???
I have no idea why Voinovich was denied, but Doucet met the schedule requirements for a med shirt.
 

UNIHawk

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I have no idea why Voinovich was denied, but Doucet met the schedule requirements for a med shirt.
He wrestled January 3rd in a dual against Air Force in the year he was approved for the Med RS. I assume that's the 2nd semester which should have made him ineligible right there.
 
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Wrestleknownothing

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He wrestled January 3rd in a dual against Air Force in the year he was approved for the Med RS. I assume that's the 2nd semester which should have made him ineligible right there.
It is a common misperception that the rule is based on semesters. It is not. For wrestling you cannot wrestle in the team's 10th date of competition or later. The Jan 3 dual was their eighth.
 

IndianaHawk98

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How did Doucet get a 7th year after wrestling one match 2nd semester and could have wrestled more but Voinovich gets a Med RS rejected after having an old ACL injury surgically repaired and missed the ENTIRE season. I'm not the paranoid type but after the gambling suspensions and now this???
Crazy, they give out medical like candy. Don’t know how a lot of guys get them, especially Doucet, Paddy, and many more. VV missed the entire year and had surgery. Crazy.

Wish VV the best, let’s see if Estrada or anyone else is ready to make impact…
 

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I think Estrada will surprise some folks. I like the kid's pace and that's something to build on that Brands doesn't have to try to somehow install. If he can start finishing and gains that confidence he could jump.

Thanks VV. Man I though he and Paddy coming out as recruits were almost must haves. Crazy how some classes top 10 are epic and other very underwhelming when you look back on them.

Not sure if Brands has made a decsion to JW. My guess is probably or IMO he should have but in no way should the loss of VV factor into keeping JW around. Less is more sometimes
 

sdvike

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My opinion is Estrada is a lot like VV unless things have changed for him. Very defensive, hard to take down, and a lot of controlling head ties. Only recent guy I know of to be successful with this approach was Lugo but he had things like a lightning fast duck under from a tie up position Granted Estrada has had a year away and maybe he will look different. Guessing he will need to go up a weight again to 57 because no way JW gets a shot at 49 if Block wants it at this point.
 

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My opinion is Estrada is a lot like VV unless things have changed for him. Very defensive, hard to take down, and a lot of controlling head ties. Only recent guy I know of to be successful with this approach was Lugo but he had things like a lightning fast duck under from a tie up position Granted Estrada has had a year away and maybe he will look different. Guessing he will need to go up a weight again to 57 because no way JW gets a shot at 49 if Block wants it at this point.
Being a coach in CA, I watched his whole high school career. He's certainly not lacking in strength or athleticism. He has a seriously good high crotch and a good down-block/go-behind. Plus as you mentioned he's hard to score on. It's a good starting point, but I agree that the staff is going to need him to step it up and score more than he's been.

Lugo was probably the best in that category that you described, and I don't see Estrada getting to the same level... but I also don't think it's totally out of reach from him to be a starter for us who can reliably get some wins. Being short for 57 will be tough. I've heard Cael specifically recruits long wrestlers, might be something to that...
 

ILLHawk135

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Wonder if Duffy can push Estrada for the spot at all if Williams ends up being done. Duffy has a lot of potential and made big jumps throughout highschool. Would think he needs time before he could ever start for us but sometimes kids who are trending upwards make big gains quick in college.
 
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Lesser charge is "not getting you" for OWI. Where is the evidence he was "passed out for serveral hours with enging running"? A cop can say the lights were on over a time span, but as to what was going on in the vehicle that won't happen. What if he parked it, then drank alcohol? Never heard of "fair probability" and I've been practicing law over 25 years. Weak case on OWI. Public Intox, good case.
What does time have to do with it he was behind the wheel of a running vehicle with an open container. Good luck beating that
 

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Lesser charge is "not getting you" for OWI. Where is the evidence he was "passed out for serveral hours with enging running"? A cop can say the lights were on over a time span, but as to what was going on in the vehicle that won't happen. What if he parked it, then drank alcohol? Never heard of "fair probability" and I've been practicing law over 25 years. Weak case on OWI. Public Intox, good case.
I’m not a lawyer. But my understanding is that if you are in the vehicle drunk, and you have control of the vehicle (for example sitting behind the wheel with it running), that’s all you need to be convicted of OWI.
 

PennState1985

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I’m not a lawyer. But my understanding is that if you are in the vehicle drunk, and you have control of the vehicle (for example sitting behind the wheel with it running), that’s all you need to be convicted of OWI.
many jurisdictions will arrest you if you have control of the vehicle defined as having the simple ability to drive. i.e. - if you have your keys. The car does not need to be running in order to be arrested. You can be arrested while sleeping in the back seat with the car off. Conviction may be more difficult, but they will try. There is so much money involved in going after DUIs and such that the police will arrest a ham sandwich.
 

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many jurisdictions will arrest you if you have control of the vehicle defined as having the simple ability to drive. i.e. - if you have your keys. The car does not need to be running in order to be arrested. You can be arrested while sleeping in the back seat with the car off. Conviction may be more difficult, but they will try. There is so much money involved in going after DUIs and such that the police will arrest a ham sandwich.

If the keys are in your pocket, they have a case of control. But hard to hold up if the keys are more than an arms length away like in the trunk or glove box or even on the floor of the passenger seat, if you are in the back. You wouldn't be deemed in control.
 
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The lack of recruiting and vetting of transfers has really painted him in a corner. It's a shame Brands has lowered his personal standard out of desperation.

I wont root for this kid on the mat as he hasn't earned the right to wear the Hawkeye singlet anymore. I will root for him to get help. He has his whole life ahead of him. Its very narrow minded if a coach can only see 4 months ahead and not 14 years ahead for what's best for the kid.

Its getting hard to want to send your kid here. Constant drama, burns relationships, coach on borrowed time and now you cant even trust his personal judgment.

Both can be correct. Iowa needs a new coach and there isn't a clear cut leader for that. The second doesn't make the first less true.
 
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You are 100% witch. Go back to Happy Valley.
Why do you think it’s a female? There is nothing feminine about him.
I think Estrada will surprise some folks. I like the kid's pace and that's something to build on that Brands doesn't have to try to somehow install. If he can start finishing and gains that confidence he could jump.

Thanks VV. Man I though he and Paddy coming out as recruits were almost must haves. Crazy how some classes top 10 are epic and other very underwhelming when you look back on them.

Not sure if Brands has made a decsion to JW. My guess is probably or IMO he should have but in no way should the loss of VV factor into keeping JW around. Less is more sometimes
100%. I’m on the same page with Estrada. I can’t wait to see him on the mat as it’s been way too long. I assume in the last year or so he’s learned to finish his great shots. Go Hawks!
 
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My opinion is Estrada is a lot like VV unless things have changed for him. Very defensive, hard to take down, and a lot of controlling head ties. Only recent guy I know of to be successful with this approach was Lugo but he had things like a lightning fast duck under from a tie up position Granted Estrada has had a year away and maybe he will look different. Guessing he will need to go up a weight again to 57 because no way JW gets a shot at 49 if Block wants it at this point.
I feel he tries to shoot compared to other defensive wrestlers that we’ve seen in Iowa. All he needs to do is learn to finish. He’s gonna put some fellas on notice this year.
 
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PennState1985

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let's have some sanity here. We just run drug rings out of fraternities using pledges as worker bees. Nothing serious like a DUI/OWI.
The funny thing (in a way) is that I was in the fraternity across the street from Delta in the early 80s, and they were known back then as DU, as in Drugs University. Can’t make that **** up. I told my wife the story and we laughed. They never left their roots.
 
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Why do you think it’s a female? There is nothing decent about .

100%. I’m on the same page with Estrada. I can’t wait to see him on the mat as it’s been way too long. I assume in the last year or so he’s learned to finish his great shots. Go Hawks!

"Witch" is not necessarily female. I guess I could have used Warlock, but witch sounds better. ;)
 
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