Without looking at each class top 10 I would tend to agree but it can also be fluid Y2Y.
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Looking at Edgy top 10 in 8A. I have a hard time seeing anyone from 4-10 beating 1-3.
I'm not saying Oswego, but they've gotten stronger since Bolingbrook (even with a 2nd string RB). Bolingbrook has a strong defense and good running game. Get a good team on a rainy November evening and it could spell upset.
No doubt. 8A is almost always the deepest class.
So statement remain as a fact correct? CLOCKED? yes or no?FWIW, while it wasn't quite a clocking, the only time JCA has faced ESL, they hammered the Flyers 45-8 in the playoffs a few years back. Well, more than a few years back, I think it was 30 years ago.
LOL.
ESL the last 20 years.
06 7A Qtr
07 7A Semi
08 7A Champs
09 7A Semi
10 7A (Forfeit)
11 7A Qtr
12 7A Second rd
13 6A Semi
14 6A Qtr
15 School Strike
16 7A Title
17 7A Qtr
18 7A Qtr
19 6A Title
20 Covid
21 6A Runner up
22 6A Title
23 6A Runner up
24 6A Title
25 6A Runner up
Unfortunately we are not considered ELITE because we lost to CG by 1pt and 3pts and Fenwick by 10 in the title games. In each title loss, ESL had the ball on the last drive and threw a pick. Understanding the assignment, ESL will keep working to get better.
If available can someone send the result of the last 20 years so I can see what an elite team look like?
06 7A Qtr
07 7A Semi
08 7A Champs
09 7A Semi
10 7A (Forfeit)
11 7A Qtr
12 7A Second rd
13 6A Semi
14 6A Qtr
15 School Strike
16 7A Title
17 7A Qtr
18 7A Qtr
19 6A Title
20 Covid
21 6A Runner up
22 6A Title
23 6A Runner up
24 6A Title
25 6A Runner up
Unfortunately we are not considered ELITE because we lost to CG by 1pt and 3pts and Fenwick by 10 in the title games. In each title loss, ESL had the ball on the last drive and threw a pick. Understanding the assignment, ESL will keep working to get better.
If available can someone send the result of the last 20 years so I can see what an elite team look like?
I find this argument silly as I think it is obvious ESL is elite but I wanted to see what Rochester looked like over 20 years, wow.
Completely agree that this is a silly argument. Posters claiming that the Flyers are not elite are either trolling or unfamiliar with the definition of the word elite.
yes or no? YES
It was 45-0 before ESL scored during garbage time against JCA's 3rd string.
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J/K'ing: Actually I have NO IDEA even though I was in the stands watching that game. My memory has no clue who scored when.
What I do remember is:
1) ESL was not very good that year, so it was not an average team
2) that was during a down time for ESL that lasted maybe half a decade or more
For a second there I thought you had posted the last 20 years of Wilmington's Football results.
Is Wilmington Elite? Maybe yes for 2A/3A
Is Wilmington Elite for the best Illinois Team? IDK. It depends on you definition of Elite, but probably not.
I dont think anyone said ESL wasnt elite. Thats the derty 1's lack of reading comprehension. He even gets confused when people compliment the program.
What I did see was discussion about their placement with regards to MC and LA. To which I said it would take more than 6A championships (head to heads work). The same way I wouldnt accept L-W 1A championships to put them with ESL. Pretty standard stuff.
Far as depth its just math, its going to go up with class. Again simple stuff. So in 7A DGN and GBW add to the strength, but somehow York and LT aren't mentioned in 8A despite them being about the same.
None of this is crazy stuff
What I did see was discussion about their placement with regards to MC and LA. To which I said it would take more than 6A championships (head to heads work). The same way I wouldnt accept L-W 1A championships to put them with ESL. Pretty standard stuff.
Far as depth its just math, its going to go up with class. Again simple stuff. So in 7A DGN and GBW add to the strength, but somehow York and LT aren't mentioned in 8A despite them being about the same.
None of this is crazy stuff
He specifically said ESL isn't elite because elite teams will win 6A every year. MC and LA was added when asked who did he think was elite teams.
I know you and Derty got y'all thing going but, I am only talking about someone claiming ESL isn't elite. He can rank whoever he want where ever he want. I am good with that. If the resume isn't good enough, I can accept that as well. That is why I posted it.
I believe that was the year that Shannon quit mid season. My memory isn't get greatest because I was in college assuming it was the 96 season. My have to go and look it up somehow.yes or no? YES
It was 45-0 before ESL scored during garbage time against JCA's 3rd string.
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J/K'ing: Actually I have NO IDEA even though I was in the stands watching that game. My memory has no clue who scored when.
What I do remember is:
1) ESL was not very good that year, so it was not an average team
2) that was during a down time for ESL that lasted maybe half a decade or more
I would consider them an Elite small school in Illinois. 1A-4A. Just my opinion.
I thought you were asking for somebody to check / post Rochester's summary, and quoted the previous post.
I know, I know, I severely need a refresher class in Reading Comprehension.
That's the same reasoning that some people consider ESL Elite as a Small School 5A/6A. And maybe 7A in the future.
Elite programs are elite programs. Doesn't matter what class they achieved their "elite status" in, IMO. No one is pretending Le-Win or Wilmington can beat MC/ESL/LA or other elite large school programs. That is how I look at it.
I'm okay with ESL being considered an elite small school. Not sure why mention 5A unless you are talking 6 class system.
I can see the Elite is Elite perspective as well.
Brother rice and mt carmel beat everyone in the playoffs last year by 3 scores or more. Except for the other catholic league teams. For mc it was loyola in the 1st round and for rice it was rita in the finals. Besides that all their games were blow outs. So I just dont believe that 7a and 8a is any more competitive or difficult than other classes.
In looking at the record book, it appears that Shannon quit mid season the year before (95). ESL went 11-1 that year and lost to MC in the semi's. The following year the Flyers were coached by Terry Hill, went 9-2 and lost to JC in the second round. The next 6 years ESL struggled a little and was a pedestrian 35-24 with Hill and Sunkett coaching. ESL did not receive another trophy until 2008 when they won 7A.
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I know, I was at the championship game (8A). You're completely free to think that.
Correct; ESL's only 5A title was in 1979, when it was the largest class. Of their championships, 6 came in the highest class, 2 in the second highest class, and 3 in the third highest class.
The only reason I included 5A is because I believe their enrollment is that of a 5A school. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Correct. I was confused because they haven't played 5A ball nor do they play 5A type teams in their non conference schedule. Nothing against 5A, just haven't played it.
I specifically stated their path to the quarterfinals. Also pc competed in 7a plenty thats where they won their last title. The enrollment at the school is almost half of what it was 10 years ago. As far as you saying the head coach was paying for students tuition. The family has a charitable foundation. That offers students scholarships to catholic high schools not just pc. In fact the scholarship is list on other schools websites as well.
If you want to talk about injuries effecting the game, In 2021, if CGs FB doesn't blow his knee out on their last drive, CG likely wins by 8 pts, and/or runs out the clock.
Cary Grove, not saying they are elite, but ....
Also, not saying that ESL is not Elite, historically they are the winningest program in Illinois.
I am tired of having people downgrade ESL, because they lost twice to CG
4 State Champs, 1 less than ESL
2 runners up, 1 less than ESL
3 semi finals same amount as ESL
5 Qtr finals
- 4x STATE CHAMPIONS - 2009, 2018, 2021, 2023
- 7 State Championship Appearances - 2004, 2009, 2012, 2014, 2018, 2021, 2023
- 10 State Semifinal Appearances - 1997, 2004, 2009, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2018, 2021, 2023, 2024
- 19 State Quarterfinal Appearances - 1980, 1987, 1997, 1998, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018, 2019, 2021, 2023, 2024
- CG 214-39 Record in the last 20 seasons (.845 winning %, among the top teams in Illinois)
- Since the beginning of the 2005 season, the East St. Louis Flyers have achieved an outstanding overall record of 200–51 (a .797 winning percentage), excluding the ongoing 2026 season. [1, 2]
Yep, that is all just the triple option. Also, when is the last time you heard of a big time transfer into CG? They just dance with the date they brought, and those dates don't necessarily win any beauty contests, they just win.
Interesting, based on what? I don't have a strong opinion one way or another but, thinking the conference is bad because ESL beat them is just as bad as not giving CG credit for being a good team.
They've had some pretty strong programs over the years in that conference. Some have moved on (Johnsburg being one). Huntley is a good (not elite) 8A program, Jacobs has had a run, as well as, Prairie Ridge (3 state titles) the last 20 years.
I am not some SWC expert but looking at the prior two playoff years it is not strong at least not in the recent past.
I did not go back years on every team, I do know Edwardsville has been real good in the past and one of the Bellview's has had some good teams.
It is down recently, it is what it is. I would also argue the Fox Valley is down this year for sure. If Huntley makes a run maybe it is more a changing of the guard or just a real good QB in an average to not good conference.
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