The ANF guys in first 10 minutes really describe Heck's bad play and benching

uihawk82 · Thursday at 10:59 AM

they mention and I forgot or we all never mentioned he almost threw a pick on the first series 3rd down before the blocked punt. The pass was right thru both hands of a lineback.

then 4 more plays, the INT inside Minny's 10 yard line where the RPO blocking had a big hole and they say the QB reads handoff 9 of 10 times on 2nd and 4 from the 8 yd line. So 3 or 7 points lost there

Then the first miss to over the top Diaz wide open by a step and a half where the ANF guys say Heck puts his whole arm into a 35 yard throw and it is short by 2-3 yards. 3 but probably 7 points lost there

Then the skinny post where diaz was a yard past and 3 yards separation from the DBack and the ball was not close, no nice trajectory at all. 7 points lost

Then the INT that was dropped on Heck's last drive that probably keeps the hawks from getting the FGoal.

The ANF guys say even after the skinny post miss Kirk is saying we are not getting our big downfield shots against this loaded box.

We could of or should of been ahead 13-3 at the least but more like 17 or 20-3 at the half. Game probably over, crowd out of it and leaving stadium to drink and eat and party.

We have been calling for over the top plays against loaded boxes for 5 years and Heck could have had 2 in the first half. Actually, Hank had the big 50 yarder against ISU, the big throws against Mich, and the perfectly throws pass to RVZ on time and in stride against Minny.

I hope Hank can repeat it tomorrow against wisky because wisky will be loading the box.

IA79Cam · Thursday at 11:04 AM

Hank has to have enough guts to try and make the throw 1st

DrVenkman · Thursday at 11:11 AM

uihawk82 said:
they mention and I forgot or we all never mentioned he almost threw a pick on the first series 3rd down before the blocked punt. The pass was right thru both hands of a lineback.

then 4 more plays, the INT inside Minny's 10 yard line where the RPO blocking had a big hole and they say the QB reads handoff 9 of 10 times on 2nd and 4 from the 8 yd line. So 3 or 7 points lost there

Then the first miss to over the top Diaz wide open by a step and a half where the ANF guys say Heck puts his whole arm into a 35 yard throw and it is short by 2-3 yards. 3 but probably 7 points lost there

Then the skinny post where diaz was a yard past and 3 yards separation from the DBack and the ball was not close, no nice trajectory at all. 7 points lost

Then the INT that was dropped on Heck's last drive that probably keeps the hawks from getting the FGoal.

The ANF guys say even after the skinny post miss Kirk is saying we are not getting our big downfield shots against this loaded box.

We could of or should of been ahead 13-3 at the least but more like 17 or 20-3 at the half. Game probably over, crowd out of it and leaving stadium to drink and eat and party.

We have been calling for over the top plays against loaded boxes for 5 years and Heck could have had 2 in the first half. Actually, Hank had the big 50 yarder against ISU, the big throws against Mich, and the perfectly throws pass to RVZ on time and in stride against Minny.

I hope Hank can repeat it tomorrow against wisky because wisky will be loading the box.

Heck has lots of enthusiasm and very little arm talent.

85Bears · Thursday at 11:14 AM

DrVenkman said:
Heck has lots of enthusiasm and very little arm talent.

Heck wouldn’t progress through his reads, would panic and throw into double coverage, he lacked poise.

The Big Z · Thursday at 11:32 AM

uihawk82 said:
they mention and I forgot or we all never mentioned he almost threw a pick on the first series 3rd down before the blocked punt. The pass was right thru both hands of a lineback.

then 4 more plays, the INT inside Minny's 10 yard line where the RPO blocking had a big hole and they say the QB reads handoff 9 of 10 times on 2nd and 4 from the 8 yd line. So 3 or 7 points lost there

Then the first miss to over the top Diaz wide open by a step and a half where the ANF guys say Heck puts his whole arm into a 35 yard throw and it is short by 2-3 yards. 3 but probably 7 points lost there

Then the skinny post where diaz was a yard past and 3 yards separation from the DBack and the ball was not close, no nice trajectory at all. 7 points lost

Then the INT that was dropped on Heck's last drive that probably keeps the hawks from getting the FGoal.

The ANF guys say even after the skinny post miss Kirk is saying we are not getting our big downfield shots against this loaded box.

We could of or should of been ahead 13-3 at the least but more like 17 or 20-3 at the half. Game probably over, crowd out of it and leaving stadium to drink and eat and party.

We have been calling for over the top plays against loaded boxes for 5 years and Heck could have had 2 in the first half. Actually, Hank had the big 50 yarder against ISU, the big throws against Mich, and the perfectly throws pass to RVZ on time and in stride against Minny.

I hope Hank can repeat it tomorrow against wisky because wisky will be loading the box.

All true. Everyone saying the coaches didn't have them prepared, etc. is just plain incorrect. Until the 3rd down pass of 37 yards that set up the game winning field goal ( which we missed the sack) the Gophers had 100 yards total passing and 72 yards rushing. If Heck makes any of those easy plays we've got a minimum of 10 pts, as you said probably 14-17 is what we should have had in the 1st half alone. Such a frustrating game when you've got a guy who you think is going to be the man moving forward and then showed up to the party with no pants on.

EvilMonkeyInTheCloset · Thursday at 11:38 AM

The biggest concern with Hank is he is too much Kirk Cousins/Spencer Petras teeth clenched when mistakes are made and staring down receivers with no foot movement or backside pressure awareness and gets smoked from behind and stripped of the ball.

Hank scares NOBODY in the play action or read option game. And that's what opposing defenses are banking on.

As long as they can get Iowa's only viable mobile option at QB (Heck) out of the game, then they got Iowa right where they want them.

And since Heck isn't gonna figure things out in terms of settling down and being willing to properly read his progressions and because of his limits throwing downfall, we can't trust him as a full game player.

We're back to 2024 where we started McNamara and brought in Sullivan for red zone plays and short yardage situations where it would help to have mobility (not just straight line f***ing speed) from your QB.............

The Big Z · Thursday at 11:43 AM

EvilMonkeyInTheCloset said:
The biggest concern with Hank is he is too much Kirk Cousins/Spencer Petras teeth clenched when mistakes are made and staring down receivers with no foot movement or backside pressure awareness and gets smoked from behind and stripped of the ball.

Hank scares NOBODY in the play action or read option game. And that's what opposing defenses are banking on.

As long as they can get Iowa's only viable mobile option at QB (Heck) out of the game, then they got Iowa right where they want them.

And since Heck isn't gonna figure things out in terms of settling down and being willing to properly read his progressions and because of his limits throwing downfall, we can't trust him as a full game player.

We're back to 2024 where we started McNamara and brought in Sullivan for red zone plays and short yardage situations where it would help to have mobility (not just straight line f***ing speed) from your QB.............

Hank is clearly better than McNamara.

Jonesy5960 · Thursday at 12:19 PM

The Big Z said:
Hank is clearly better than McNamara.

And Sullivan was probably better than both.

Grayhair1981 · Thursday at 12:23 PM

Jonesy5960 said:
And Sullivan was probably better than both.

Yeah would have been nice to have kept him

Grayhair1981 · Thursday at 12:23 PM

uihawk82 said:
they mention and I forgot or we all never mentioned he almost threw a pick on the first series 3rd down before the blocked punt. The pass was right thru both hands of a lineback.

then 4 more plays, the INT inside Minny's 10 yard line where the RPO blocking had a big hole and they say the QB reads handoff 9 of 10 times on 2nd and 4 from the 8 yd line. So 3 or 7 points lost there

Then the first miss to over the top Diaz wide open by a step and a half where the ANF guys say Heck puts his whole arm into a 35 yard throw and it is short by 2-3 yards. 3 but probably 7 points lost there

Then the skinny post where diaz was a yard past and 3 yards separation from the DBack and the ball was not close, no nice trajectory at all. 7 points lost

Then the INT that was dropped on Heck's last drive that probably keeps the hawks from getting the FGoal.

The ANF guys say even after the skinny post miss Kirk is saying we are not getting our big downfield shots against this loaded box.

We could of or should of been ahead 13-3 at the least but more like 17 or 20-3 at the half. Game probably over, crowd out of it and leaving stadium to drink and eat and party.

We have been calling for over the top plays against loaded boxes for 5 years and Heck could have had 2 in the first half. Actually, Hank had the big 50 yarder against ISU, the big throws against Mich, and the perfectly throws pass to RVZ on time and in stride against Minny.

I hope Hank can repeat it tomorrow against wisky because wisky will be loading the box.

Yes. Hank outscored Heck 7-3. Huge improvement

Stoopsbrother · Thursday at 12:26 PM

EvilMonkeyInTheCloset said:
The biggest concern with Hank is he is too much Kirk Cousins/Spencer Petras teeth clenched when mistakes are made and staring down receivers with no foot movement or backside pressure awareness and gets smoked from behind and stripped of the ball.

Hank scares NOBODY in the play action or read option game. And that's what opposing defenses are banking on.

As long as they can get Iowa's only viable mobile option at QB (Heck) out of the game, then they got Iowa right where they want them.

And since Heck isn't gonna figure things out in terms of settling down and being willing to properly read his progressions and because of his limits throwing downfall, we can't trust him as a full game player.

We're back to 2024 where we started McNamara and brought in Sullivan for red zone plays and short yardage situations where it would help to have mobility (not just straight line f***ing speed) from your QB.............

The biggest concern with Hank is he is too much Kirk Cousins/Spencer Petras teeth clenched when mistakes are made and staring down receivers with no foot movement or backside pressure awareness and gets smoked from behind and stripped of the ball.

Hank scares NOBODY in the play action or read option game. And that's what opposing defenses are banking on.

X's10000000000000000000

Jonesy5960 · Thursday at 12:33 PM

Stoopsbrother said:
The biggest concern with Hank is he is too much Kirk Cousins/Spencer Petras teeth clenched when mistakes are made and staring down receivers with no foot movement or backside pressure awareness and gets smoked from behind and stripped of the ball.

Hank scares NOBODY in the play action or read option game. And that's what opposing defenses are banking on.

X's10000000000000000000

Heck is worse so what are you going to do? Also, Heck's legs scare no one. That's an Iowa urban legend.

Stoopsbrother · Thursday at 12:35 PM

Jonesy5960 said:
Heck is worse so what are you going to do? Also, Heck's legs scare no one. That's an Iowa urban legend.

play ******* Diaz at QB in wildcat at this point he'd be better than any of the dogshit we've seen in a long long time

Ozzie89 · Thursday at 12:37 PM

Be interesting to see if KF pulls Brown early if he struggles mightily, like Heck last week. We all know he probably wont. Heck's basically got one full game( played well at Washington) and benched.

Max Rebo · Thursday at 12:46 PM

DrVenkman said:
Heck has lots of enthusiasm and very little arm talent.

He’s also very short with a low release. Gets a lot of balls batted down. For as much as we hear about Heck’s “high ceiling,” his height and arm talent will always hold him back.

DuddyB · Thursday at 12:49 PM

Other than the perceived “moxy” of heck I don’t know how there’s any argument for him at this point.

I thought maybe he was a better processor and made better decisions, but that proved to be false last week. In fact, he made several bad decisions that I don’t think Hank even attempts.

Here’s how I see it

Decision making = slight edge Hank

Pocket awareness = edge Heck

Arm Strength = big edge Hank

Running Ability = slight edge Hank

Size = big edge Hank

Accuracy = both stink

I don’t think either have been great, but I would prefer to ride with Hank at this point

Max Rebo · Thursday at 12:54 PM

DuddyB said:
Other than the perceived “moxy” of heck I don’t know how there’s any argument for him at this point.

I thought maybe he was a better processor and made better decisions, but that proved to be false last week. In fact, he made several bad decisions that I don’t think Hank even attempts.

Here’s how I see it

Decision making = slight edge Hank

Pocket awareness = edge Heck

Arm Strength = big edge Hank

Running Ability = slight edge Hank

Size = big edge Hank

Accuracy = both stink

I don’t think either I’ve been great, but I would prefer to ride with Hank at this point

I think they both have the ability to be accurate when they get in a rhythm, but otherwise, I think this post is spot-on.

ottumwan in tx · Thursday at 12:55 PM

Nobody who watched needs anything explained . that was a game only Brian ferentz could love.

DuddyB · Thursday at 12:58 PM

Max Rebo said:
I think they both have the ability to be accurate when they get in a rhythm, but otherwise, I think this post is spot-on.

I was probably a little too harsh on the accuracy. A little bit of recency bias with how terrible they both were this last game in that regard.

HawksRule73 · Thursday at 1:07 PM

I thought Heck played pretty good right up to the interception. Then you could tell, based on his body language and just the look on his face, that he couldn't flush it. There's a reason he was like 7 of his first 8 then was like 1 for 8 after that. He just hasn't developed the requisite maturity needed to play QB at the major college level. I like his enthusiasm and when he's on, he's pretty good. But when he's off, boy, the wheels just fall off completely. I'm guessing that's what the coaches have been seeing in practice as well.

83Hawk · Thursday at 1:11 PM

Both QB’s are (to put it kindly), not good, and would start for very few P4 teams. Once again, the full potential of the Hawks are being held back by the most important position in football.

I just don’t understand how our coaching staff has consistently failed at this ever since Stanley graduated.

Jonesy5960 · Thursday at 1:13 PM

Max Rebo said:
I think they both have the ability to be accurate when they get in a rhythm, but otherwise, I think this post is spot-on.

A big problem with Heck is that he lacks arm talent. This is supposed to be the year with Diaz that the vertical passing game comes alive and Heck can't make those throws. You saw that early against Minnesota where the pass to Diaz on the post was probably 5 yards short of where it needed to be without really any air under it.

TrojanHawkeye · Thursday at 1:20 PM

Thank God we don't have another KF quarterback conundrum. KF is really at his best when it comes to QB play, coaching and recruiting

Ozzie89 · Thursday at 1:25 PM

83Hawk said:
Both QB’s are (to put it kindly), not good, and would start for very few P4 teams. Once again, the full potential of the Hawks are being held back by the most important position in football.

I just don’t understand how our coaching staff has consistently failed at this ever since Stanley graduated.

You look around to lower levels of football and see QBs that would put both Iowa QBs to shame and yet here we are. It's truly amazing, to be in the Big Ten at a program like Iowa, and this is what the QB position is here.

Jonesy5960 · Thursday at 1:28 PM

Max Rebo said:
I think they both have the ability to be accurate when they get in a rhythm, but otherwise, I think this post is spot-on.

Heck can't throw an accurate long ball. I don't think we've seen one yet.

Stoopsbrother · Thursday at 1:32 PM

DuddyB said:
Other than the perceived “moxy” of heck I don’t know how there’s any argument for him at this point.

I thought maybe he was a better processor and made better decisions, but that proved to be false last week. In fact, he made several bad decisions that I don’t think Hank even attempts.

Here’s how I see it

Decision making = slight edge Hank

Pocket awareness = edge Heck

Arm Strength = big edge Hank

Running Ability = slight edge Hank

Size = big edge Hank

Accuracy = both stink

I don’t think either have been great, but I would prefer to ride with Hank at this point

Absolutely comical that a "big time" football program continues to have the same issues year after year! There's a common denominator

uihawk82 · Thursday at 1:52 PM

Stoopsbrother said:
The biggest concern with Hank is he is too much Kirk Cousins/Spencer Petras teeth clenched when mistakes are made and staring down receivers with no foot movement or backside pressure awareness and gets smoked from behind and stripped of the ball.

Hank scares NOBODY in the play action or read option game. And that's what opposing defenses are banking on.

X's10000000000000000000

So you didnt see Hank keep the ball at the RPO mesh handoff point and run for 11-13 yards against Minny?? That was his only true running attempt and he was fast enough. Am I watching a different game?

83Hawk · Thursday at 1:59 PM

uihawk82 said:
So you didnt see Hank keep the ball at the RPO mesh handoff point and run for 11-13 yards against Minny?? That was his only true running attempt and he was fast enough. Am I watching a different game?

He has taken off a couple of times this season, and picked up some decent yardage. Not a speed demon, but fast enough, as you said.

He might need to do that a couple of times Saturday.

hawkeyebob1962 · Thursday at 3:37 PM

uihawk82 said:
they mention and I forgot or we all never mentioned he almost threw a pick on the first series 3rd down before the blocked punt. The pass was right thru both hands of a lineback.

then 4 more plays, the INT inside Minny's 10 yard line where the RPO blocking had a big hole and they say the QB reads handoff 9 of 10 times on 2nd and 4 from the 8 yd line. So 3 or 7 points lost there

Then the first miss to over the top Diaz wide open by a step and a half where the ANF guys say Heck puts his whole arm into a 35 yard throw and it is short by 2-3 yards. 3 but probably 7 points lost there

Then the skinny post where diaz was a yard past and 3 yards separation from the DBack and the ball was not close, no nice trajectory at all. 7 points lost

Then the INT that was dropped on Heck's last drive that probably keeps the hawks from getting the FGoal.

The ANF guys say even after the skinny post miss Kirk is saying we are not getting our big downfield shots against this loaded box.

We could of or should of been ahead 13-3 at the least but more like 17 or 20-3 at the half. Game probably over, crowd out of it and leaving stadium to drink and eat and party.

We have been calling for over the top plays against loaded boxes for 5 years and Heck could have had 2 in the first half. Actually, Hank had the big 50 yarder against ISU, the big throws against Mich, and the perfectly throws pass to RVZ on time and in stride against Minny.

I hope Hank can repeat it tomorrow against wisky because wisky will be loading the box.

Here is the problem: we have two slightly-above-average QBs who can, on occasion, make big plays. Neither is the killer-instinct-I-see-the-exact-spot-on-the-throat-to-trample type of guy.

HMB Trumpet · Thursday at 3:55 PM

Jonesy5960 said:
Heck can't throw an accurate long ball. I don't think we've seen one yet.

I guess it depends on what counts as long. He threw a nice 31-yard pass to RVZ at Washington (IIRC no YAC). Otherwise, though, it's been short and medium.

Hawk48 · Thursday at 4:11 PM

It is amazing that Iowa cannot find a functional and decent QB year after year. Makes zero sense to me.

DukeSlater · Thursday at 5:37 PM

Max Rebo said:
He’s also very short with a low release. Gets a lot of balls batted down. For as much as we hear about Heck’s “high ceiling,” his height and arm talent will always hold him back.

And yet it was Brown who had a "pass" intercepted by a lineman . . . or someone standing about a yard in front of him.

DukeSlater · Thursday at 5:38 PM

83Hawk said:
Both QB’s are (to put it kindly), not good, and would start for very few P4 teams. Once again, the full potential of the Hawks are being held back by the most important position in football.

I just don’t understand how our coaching staff has consistently failed at this ever since Stanley graduated.

Have you seen Michigan's QBs, just to mention one team. Hank or Heck could start for the Maize and Blue.

Grayhair1981 · Thursday at 5:47 PM

hawkeyebob1962 said:
Here is the problem: we have two slightly-above-average QBs who can, on occasion, make big plays. Neither is the killer-instinct-I-see-the-exact-spot-on-the-throat-to-trample type of guy.

Slightly-above-average at what level? Iowa 4A HS?

IowaCityLit · Thursday at 6:02 PM

Crazy to have 2 bad QBs and because one is “worse” than the other than the other somehow becomes a better option. Neither can play. Neither will elevate Iowa.

Iowa will need to establish a dominant running game. Which seems unlikely.

uihawk82 · Thursday at 10:03 PM

DukeSlater said:
And yet it was Brown who had a "pass" intercepted by a lineman . . . or someone standing about a yard in front of him.

I have seen that happen to many a QB when the pocket collapses and they get hit. I think the hawks were on the edge of FG range at that point with the wind behind them so maybe a running play for a few yards would have been smart or a more simple short pass for 5 yards would have been in order.

Franisdaman · Thursday at 10:09 PM

uihawk82 said:
We have been calling for over the top plays against loaded boxes for 5 years and Heck could have had 2 in the first half. Actually, Hank had the big 50 yarder against ISU, the big throws against Mich, and the perfectly throws pass to RVZ on time and in stride against Minny.

I hope Hank can repeat it tomorrow against wisky because wisky will be loading the box.

Wait, I thought the experts on here said Kirk should have put Heck back in to start the 2nd half. Were the experts on here wrong? Couldn't be. These ANF guys are idiots! The Iowa coaches are idiots!!

Who's with me???

Kceasthawk@77 · Thursday at 10:54 PM

Stoopsbrother said:
play ******* Diaz at QB in wildcat at this point he'd be better than any of the dogshit we've seen in a long long time

Right. We actually have been able to connect on some throws down field this season. So we should pull the QB, and bring the Entire defense up into the box, and run on every play. Good plan......

Kceasthawk@77 · Thursday at 11:01 PM

DukeSlater said:
And yet it was Brown who had a "pass" intercepted by a lineman . . . or someone standing about a yard in front of him.

Again purely STUPID comment, tainted with agenda. (shocking coming from you). Hank stepped up attempting to throw and was hit from behind as his arm was going forward. It was basically a fumble as he was being sacked but his arm was going forward. Try actually watching what happened and turn down the rhetoric. For the record his other "interception" was right in RVZ's hand and he bobbled the ball and the defender caught it.

Jonesy5960 · Thursday at 11:03 PM

HMB Trumpet said:
I guess it depends on what counts as long. He threw a nice 31-yard pass to RVZ at Washington (IIRC no YAC). Otherwise, though, it's been short and medium.

That was a nice back shoulder throw although I'm not even sure if that was intentional or simply a ball thrown behind RVZ who made an excellent adjustment to come back on the ball. It wasn't a particularly long throw over the top of the defense, which I don't think is part of Heck's repertoire.

The ANF guys in first 10 minutes really describe Heck's bad play and benching

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