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'26 Bill Farrell Memorial International (11/6-7) thread

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LostInTransition said:
Unprecedented? You serious, Dice? We've seen it a number of times, Dake was mentioned above, DT went from a scrawny 157 to, eventually, 86kg, Cassar lifted and ate his way from 197 up to 225, Zain jumped easily from 141 to 149, and the most recent and probably best comp is Tyler Kasak. Tyler started at 141 at the beginning of his freshman year before finishing 3rd at 149 that season, then 3rd again at 157 as a sophomore. Tyler appeared to be cutting heavily to 141, much like Desmond cutting to 125.

You may end up being right about Desmond but you can't say the jump is unprecedented.
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Why is everyone making this discussion so complicated? The proper path forward for Desmond is pretty obvious:

HE NEEDS TO HIT THE WEIGHTS, HARD!!!!!!!!
 
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LostInTransition said:
Unprecedented? You serious, Dice? We've seen it a number of times, Dake was mentioned above, DT went from a scrawny 157 to, eventually, 86kg, Cassar lifted and ate his way from 197 up to 225, Zain jumped easily from 141 to 149, and the most recent and probably best comp is Tyler Kasak. Tyler started at 141 at the beginning of his freshman year before finishing 3rd at 149 that season, then 3rd again at 157 as a sophomore. Tyler appeared to be cutting heavily to 141, much like Desmond cutting to 125.

You may end up being right about Desmond but you can't say the jump is unprecedented.
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The irony in response and username may also be unprecedented.
 
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LostInTransition said:
Right now I'm fascinated by the idea that world class wrestlers struggle when going from free to folk or folk to free. We just saw Team USA loaded with the very best folk style wrestlers dominate the freestyle world and yet we're hearing that World Class Ono is struggling with the transition. On the other hand, we've seen Desmond excel at folk style but continually get rag dolled in freestyle.

I'm not completely sold on the argument that Desmond isn't big enough for 141 because Pierson Manville big brothered him at the Open. Young Mr. Desmond has a history of getting thumped in freestyle. Here's his list of TF losses.

2024 Bill Farrell, Daniel Deshazer, 57kg, TF 10-0
2025 US Open, U20, 61kg, Aaron Seidel, TF 11-0 and Elijah Cortez, TF 10-0,
2026 US Open, Sr, 65kg, Beau Bartlett, TF 11-0 and Manville, TF 11-1

His USA Bracketing profile shows no significant wins in freestyle. Am I missing any?
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Manville is big and will be going 149 this year. Desmond is a 141. He's not going 61kg 134 at the Farrell for a reason. Bouzakis is at 61kg and he's wrestling 141 but is a 133. If that were the case with Desmond he would be 61kg as well he's going 65kg because he's a 141
 
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LostInTransition said:
Right now I'm fascinated by the idea that world class wrestlers struggle when going from free to folk or folk to free. We just saw Team USA loaded with the very best folk style wrestlers dominate the freestyle world and yet we're hearing that World Class Ono is struggling with the transition. On the other hand, we've seen Desmond excel at folk style but continually get rag dolled in freestyle.
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I'm not reading much into the Lilledahl match, other than that he has (Ragusin was incredible to watch, but that doesn't make it an impressive win)...? I don't think we've seen anything in folkstyle from Desmond other than he was way undersized for 141 last year. I hope he's had a growth spurt.
 
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LostInTransition said:
Right now I'm fascinated by the idea that world class wrestlers struggle when going from free to folk or folk to free. We just saw Team USA loaded with the very best folk style wrestlers dominate the freestyle world and yet we're hearing that World Class Ono is struggling with the transition. On the other hand, we've seen Desmond excel at folk style but continually get rag dolled in freestyle.

I'm not completely sold on the argument that Desmond isn't big enough for 141 because Pierson Manville big brothered him at the Open. Young Mr. Desmond has a history of getting thumped in freestyle. Here's his list of TF losses.

2024 Bill Farrell, Daniel Deshazer, 57kg, TF 10-0
2025 US Open, U20, 61kg, Aaron Seidel, TF 11-0 and Elijah Cortez, TF 10-0,
2026 US Open, Sr, 65kg, Beau Bartlett, TF 11-0 and Manville, TF 11-1

His USA Bracketing profile shows no significant wins in freestyle. Am I missing any?
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Free and Folk aren’t quite two different sports, but they are different enough that only some of the top guys are tops in both.
LostInTransition said:
Unprecedented? You serious, Dice? We've seen it a number of times, Dake was mentioned above, DT went from a scrawny 157 to, eventually, 86kg, Cassar lifted and ate his way from 197 up to 225, Zain jumped easily from 141 to 149, and the most recent and probably best comp is Tyler Kasak. Tyler started at 141 at the beginning of his freshman year before finishing 3rd at 149 that season, then 3rd again at 157 as a sophomore. Tyler appeared to be cutting heavily to 141, much like Desmond cutting to 125.

You may end up being right about Desmond but you can't say the jump is unprecedented.
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…and Josh Barr “bought a cow from Mr. Kasak”.
 
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HOA242n! said:
IMO if anybody is going to physically grow out of a weight, it is Marcus. His brother has had a major growth spurt the last few years and he has a bigger frame - not to mention he's younger than Desmond. The cut for him to 57, right now, would probably be brutal but he'd be competing against guys who have been 65kg for years if he tried to jump up. He, like Haines, is going to have to make a tough decision about the Olympics.
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Blaze beat the reigning 65kg world champion, at 65kg, just last year.
 
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CTStall said:
As I noted before, freestyle is different than folk mat wrestling. I heard something spefic but can't elaborate. I watched the Ironhead interview. I'm calling him for a bluff if I'm playing cards. He knew more about Ono and his current status in the room. He certainly isn't going to elaborate about details.

As an outsider looking at the situation. My thought is, if Ono is getting close to competing in college you would see him in tournaments. ??? I'm probably going up to Army and would love to see him at 133 and Blaze at 141 as a dress rehearsal to a line up option .
Maybe Ono's value is more for the NLWC freestyle lightweight room . He gets better from the quality in the room and helps Blaze (ect.)get better on their feet.
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Sounds good.
 
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LostInTransition said:
Right now I'm fascinated by the idea that world class wrestlers struggle when going from free to folk or folk to free. We just saw Team USA loaded with the very best folk style wrestlers dominate the freestyle world and yet we're hearing that World Class Ono is struggling with the transition. On the other hand, we've seen Desmond excel at folk style but continually get rag dolled in freestyle.

I'm not completely sold on the argument that Desmond isn't big enough for 141 because Pierson Manville big brothered him at the Open. Young Mr. Desmond has a history of getting thumped in freestyle. Here's his list of TF losses.

2024 Bill Farrell, Daniel Deshazer, 57kg, TF 10-0
2025 US Open, U20, 61kg, Aaron Seidel, TF 11-0 and Elijah Cortez, TF 10-0,
2026 US Open, Sr, 65kg, Beau Bartlett, TF 11-0 and Manville, TF 11-1

His USA Bracketing profile shows no significant wins in freestyle. Am I missing any?
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I heard that his issue is related to mat wrestling.
 
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